Players have been a disgrace

[Lane Ender]

Well selles has gone and the players still look like they couldn't give a shit
I've seen teams before who are in a slump and low on confidence and the only way out of it is to graft

Didn't really see that yesterday but still the players are getting a free ride apart from.surprisingly peck who seemed to stick.his head above the parapet but isn't really good enough to drag the team with him.
Hamer showed some fire when he got that booking but I'm looking at the rest of the team and I'm not seeing the appetite for a scrap

Yes you’re right but Campbell strolling around picking a wage up and Ohare taking Osborn place as run around contributing fuck all.

 

[Rodley]

We saw Souza and Anel melt the last time we had a team underperforming. I don't think they'd make a difference to this team with the way it's currently playing. Robinson is the only person who's left that could be considered a leader and most people wanted him out of the team.

I agree that we've got a lot of new players that need to gel but I don't think it explains just how bad we've been. There is enough experience and quality in that squad to be competitive at this level.

I just don’t think it’s accurate to say the team didn’t have any leaders last season. And consequently it’s not accurate to say we haven’t lost any.

For me Brewster, Moore, Souza, Anel and Robinson were all senior and respected pros.

We’re 6-7 days into the new managers spell and he’ll need time to knit it all together, as he did very successfully last summer. The only thing we can do as a fanbase now is get our heads down and back the players.

 

[FINUK]

Think a switch to 3 at back would benefit us

Would enable Mee to play and be the old head we desperately need right now.

 

[GymClassHero]

I don't think we had any leaders last season which is why we bottled it in the league and then the play offs. Tanganga, Chong, Mcguinness, Godfrey and Mee are hugely experienced at this level. I don't think we can say it's because we're a young side when the club up the road are picking up points with a squad of kids.

There's no excuse to how badly we are playing and the players need to have a look at themselves

Agree with you 100% Roy.

Players downed tools to get Selles out IMO. It's time they stand up and be counted. Any of them not up to it can fuck off as far as I'm concerned, stealing a wage.

 

[GymClassHero]

Yes you’re right but Campbell strolling around picking a wage up and Ohare taking Osborn place as run around contributing fuck all.

Well we've picked up Chong and McGuinness, both of whom contributed to Luton's relegation.

 

[Nick Jansky]

I just don’t think it’s accurate to say the team didn’t have any leaders last season. And consequently it’s not accurate to say we haven’t lost any.

For me Brewster, Moore, Souza, Anel and Robinson were all senior and respected pros.

Being a senior pro doesn’t make someone a leader. I don’t see much in the way of leadership in the group you have mentioned.

 

[Frank the tank]

I just don’t think it’s accurate to say the team didn’t have any leaders last season. And consequently it’s not accurate to say we haven’t lost any.

For me Brewster, Moore, Souza, Anel and Robinson were all senior and respected pros.

We’re 6-7 days into the new managers spell and he’ll need time to knit it all together, as he did very successfully last summer. The only thing we can do as a fanbase now is get our heads down and back the players.

I'm not sure about that Brewster and Moore never struck me as leaders and anel and souza were mentally fragile and often threw the towel in when things weren't going their way

 

[The Fox]

After the turbulent start , the new manager , the old manager , the disappointing results and performances under selles and now wilder I think most can now accept that these players need to take some responsibility.

It's a huge squad , there should be more competition for places and they have been coasting .

We can afford the manager to be ruthless in team selection , whoever thinks they can keep a starting place no matter what need a bit of a shock .

Time to get tough .

 

[GymClassHero]

I'm not sure about that Brewster and Moore never struck me as leaders and anel and souza were mentally fragile and often threw the towel in when things weren't going their way

Brewster I think had a positive effect on the squad, not necessarily in terms of leadership though. Moore no. Anel was soft, Vini is the only one I would say definitely is a leader. You can tell Peck thrived next to him.

As much as it pains me to say, Jack Robinson was probably the closest thing to a leader last season, he just isn't at the standard required and was also prone to a rush of blood, along with the WWE shenanigans on every corner.

Ben Mee is a clear choice as captain for me. Frequently described as a model pro, who always gives his all and he is very experienced. I really, really hope Wilder doesn't deploy him in the same manner he did Rob Holding (i.e. never), I really feel he is key to turning things round.

 

[Rodley]

I'm not sure about that Brewster and Moore never struck me as leaders and anel and souza were mentally fragile and often threw the towel in when things weren't going their way

I just don’t think you grind out 90+ points if you’re mentally fragile and or have players “who throw the towel in.” That’s a massive effort.

The reality is the current lot are probably low on confidence because we’ve been getting absolutely battered each week, the squad has been broken apart and rebuilt at the last minute and the last management regime were absolutely abysmal. It’s going to take a bit of time to sort all this out.

 

[KMC-1889]

I disagree, I think you don’t get 90+ points without any leaders surely?

The five players you mentioned as potential leaders have been here for a couple of weeks. And playing in a system which was obviously a mess.

I’m not for giving the players an easy ride, but clearly they need backing. If the fans start to rip them apart unnecessary it will just become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The reason we only got 90 rather than the 100 we needed is because the squad caved in April when pressure was applied.

 

[Lane Ender]

Well we've picked up Chong and McGuinness, both of whom contributed to Luton's relegation.

Interesting to see what Chong does in a full game
McGuiness is a decent CB he did ok yesterday

 

[Lane Ender]

Interesting to see what Chong does in a full game
McGuiness is a decent CB he did ok yesterday

 

[PrestwichBlade]

Being a senior pro doesn’t make someone a leader. I don’t see much in the way of leadership in the group you have mentioned.

We've lacked leaders for a while. We had them across the team in that side that climbed from league 1.

 

[71Blade]

Had selles been given say till Christmas we would be down no 2 ways about it. The job Wilder has is massive the side is rotten regards desire work ethic it's like 10 Norwoods pointing all game, we have possession but dont create anything. 2 goals scored in 7 games 0 scored in the last 5. I don't think we will go down but forget promotion we are a complete laughing stock. Wednesday 4 points Blades 0 what odds would you have got for that before a ball was kicked. Not one player is excluded even Taphananga has gone backwards since the Boro game. Disgrace the lot of them.

 

[Nick Jansky]

We've lacked leaders for a while. We had them across the team in that side that climbed from league 1.

We have been good at building a team over the last few years but pitiful at building, managing and sustaining a squad. Too much short term thinking. Leadership is just one of the things that has been neglected.

 

[Davalon]

Can't expect too much in the way of training ground tactical plans coming to fruition after a few days but I did expect more of a bounce in terms of fight and enthusiasm.

 

[kop blade]

thankgod selles hes gone he destroyed our deflated blades team he talked alot but didnt win,tufty will fire them up to win again

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Brewster I think had a positive effect on the squad, not necessarily in terms of leadership though. Moore no. Anel was soft, Vini is the only one I would say definitely is a leader. You can tell Peck thrived next to him.

As much as it pains me to say, Jack Robinson was probably the closest thing to a leader last season, he just isn't at the standard required and was also prone to a rush of blood, along with the WWE shenanigans on every corner.

Ben Mee is a clear choice as captain for me. Frequently described as a model pro, who always gives his all and he is very experienced. I really, really hope Wilder doesn't deploy him in the same manner he did Rob Holding (i.e. never), I really feel he is key to turning things round.

Souza certainly isn’t a leader in my view. When did he galvanise the team, organising, giving out bollockings while protecting those that need it?
He pointed a lot, and downed tools when it wasn’t going well. Thats not leadership.
His performances improved in the championship but he never showed anything to what I’d call leadership.
It’s another thing that we talk about and don’t do.
They apparently have to pass the dickhead test, have leadership, show character and then we sign a load of player who had none. We had it for Wilder 1.0 in absolute spades but it crumbled when we lost JoC and too many of the others were too old and ineffective at that level.
Souttar shows glimpses and was the closest thing we had last season which explains quite a lot about how we struggled under adversity.
If only we just really did what we say we do.

 

[steve26272]

Can't expect too much in the way of training ground tactical plans coming to fruition after a few days but I did expect more of a bounce in terms of fight and enthusiasm.

I thought the first 25 mins we played well (without creating obvs)

But when we didn’t score the heads went down, and it felt a case of if not when the Charlton goal would come

Some mentally weak players there

Wouldn’t want them in the trenches with you

 

[Davalon]

I thought the first 25 mins we played well (without creating obvs)

But when we didn’t score the heads went down, and it felt a case of if not when the Charlton goal would come

Some mentally weak players there

Wouldn’t want them in the trenches with you

A number seemed to lose the plot late on.

Needless silly passes and touches, players out of position, and laughable decisions.

A favourite was us having a free kick 10 yards outside our box. Instead of Cooper launching it forward, McGuinness passed it back to him inside the box, for him to just boot it clear.

 

[Bell4]

Souza certainly isn’t a leader in my view. When did he galvanise the team, organising, giving out bollockings while protecting those that need it?
He pointed a lot, and downed tools when it wasn’t going well. Thats not leadership.
His performances improved in the championship but he never showed anything to what I’d call leadership.
It’s another thing that we talk about and don’t do.
They apparently have to pass the dickhead test, have leadership, show character and then we sign a load of player who had none. We had it for Wilder 1.0 in absolute spades but it crumbled when we lost JoC and too many of the others were too old and ineffective at that level.
Souttar shows glimpses and was the closest thing we had last season which explains quite a lot about how we struggled under adversity.
If only we just really did what we say we do.

Agree

But JLT eh ?

He’s just crap , isn't he ?

He’s a Bomb-scare isn’t he ?

Never a leader - just , well , crap ?

FFS

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

Some of these players are going to get majorly turned on by the fanbase if this form goes on much longer.