Players futures sorted

[Working Class Hero]

I think it's a no-brainer that Brayford stays, as long as CW sits him down and is convinced he wants to be here.

What's the point in going back in to the market for a defender (which we will definitely need), just to pay another transfer fee/signing fees/agent's fees? That defender could then easily be a flop. We already have a perfectly good Championship level one on our hands.

 

[LardSardine]

Does anyone know what has happened to Kieran Wallace? He was on a season long loan at Fleetwood but has barely played. I assume he must be out of contract this summer.

 

[larkymasher]

Does anyone know what has happened to Kieran Wallace? He was on a season long loan at Fleetwood but has barely played. I assume he must be out of contract this summer.

I think he is sprat fishing off the Fleetwood coast !!

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Scougs, McNulty, Hussey, Wilson and Done are the players I'd look to be offloading 1st. Will Reed ever get a chance? Brayford?

I would probably move on everyone you mention there with the exception of Wilson (haven't seen enough of him) and Done.

Wilder will have his own ideas but I think those two have done enough in their time on the pitch to be allowed to fight for a place. Especially if they're not on big salaries.

 

[Balham]

I also don't think for one minute that Chesterfield would have accepted a loan move for O'Shea without having a full transfer at the end of the season in place. So i think he stays.

O'Shea is out of contract at Chesterfield and was probably one of their higher earners. We paid them £50k and took on his contract and in their current financial situation they didn't really have a choice but to accept.

It was a gamble on O'Shea's part: he could have played week in, week out at now-relegated Chesterfield in the hope that someone would pick him up at the end of the season or he could come and play a smaller role at us, hoping to get a contract from us or anyone else.

I would probably move on everyone you mention there with the exception of Wilson (haven't seen enough of him) and Done.

Wilder will have his own ideas but I think those two have done enough in their time on the pitch to be allowed to fight for a place. Especially if they're not on big salaries.

There's a reason they've not been on the pitch: Wilder doesn't rate them high enough and he sees them every day in training. Wilson could have come in when EEL was injured but Wilder chose to move Basham back instead.

 

[Treeton Blade]

My take

Mcnulty-Released
Scougal-Released
Done-Released
O-Shea offered a deal
Long - Transfered out
EEL - Returns to Wolves with wolves regretting offering him a contract.
Hussey - Transfered out
Reed - Loaned out
Wright Jr - Loaned out
Whiteman - Loaned Out

Chapman - Re-Signing
Riley - Re-signing
Sharp - New contract in addition to the trigger
Basham - New contract in addition to the trigger
Coutts - New contract in addition to the trigger

As for Brayford I think he could do a good job for us. But having thought about it I think they will move him on for the purpose of saving wages and bring in someone like Conor McLaughlin on a fraction of the wages and he's 5 years younger Plus available on a free I believe

Agree with all that, Brayford to be transfer listed IMO.

Also think we will bid for EEL, just a hunch.

 

[larkymasher]

O'Shea is out of contract at Chesterfield and was probably one of their higher earners. We paid them £50k and took on his contract and in their current financial situation they didn't really have a choice but to accept.

It was a gamble on O'Shea's part: he could have played week in, week out at now-relegated Chesterfield in the hope that someone would pick him up at the end of the season or he could come and play a smaller role at us, hoping to get a contract from us or anyone else.



There's a reason they've not been on the pitch: Wilder doesn't rate them high enough and he sees them every day in training. Wilson could have come in when EEL was injured but Wilder chose to move Basham back instead.

Thanks for that Balham. I didn't know the O'Shea background.

As for Wilson, he may not have been a starter but he did exactly what CW wanted. He gave the squad depth and cover, in case of emergencies.

 

[alcoblade]

Funny one, Duffy. Been superb for us this season and seeing his first touch has been an absolute joy to watch. I can't recall ever seeing a better receiver of the ball in my time watching.

That said, I'm assuming Clough couldn't guarantee him games at Burton hence why he came to us. If he couldn't get a game at Burton, it doesn't bode well for his future here.

Not being part of an ultra defensive plan (Clouhh) shouldn't preclude him from an attacking one (Wilder) though.

 

[Barney]

Oh dear not one of them Hammond clauses that give the PLAYER the option to extend his own contract.

At least the players are far better this time.

 

[The Crab]

Oh dear not one of them Hammond clauses that give the PLAYER the option to extend his own contract.

At least the players are far better this time.

To be fair, they could hardly be worse

 

[Ricky]

I think it's a no-brainer that Brayford stays, as long as CW sits him down and is convinced he wants to be here.

What's the point in going back in to the market for a defender (which we will definitely need), just to pay another transfer fee/signing fees/agent's fees? That defender could then easily be a flop. We already have a perfectly good Championship level one on our hands.

I think it's a no brainer to move Brayford on.

Financially it would be beneficial, as any replacement would be on lower wages. We'd also receive a fee for Brayford, and the replacement could be a free transfer, like Conor McLaughlin or Jason McCarthy (compensation?).

Football wise it would probably be beneficial too. Brayford's not what he was and I'd trust Wilder to sign a good player, and one who wants to be here. Also a younger player.

The risk of ending up with a new right back considerably worse than Brayford is very low. The risk of ending up with someone worse value for money than Brayford is even lower. The chances of us ending up with someone of similar or better ability and being better off financially is very high.

Brayford wouldn't get in our current team. Freeman's a better RWB, and Basham is a better RCB - even if you disagree with that, you'd have to say that both have more than earned their chance. If he stays we'll be looking at a situation where our highest paid player is sat on the bench, and probably sulking.

Best for everybody if he moves on, and that's what I think will happen. Hopefully FLN will make him Burton's new record signing. It wouldn't surprise me if we did a swap deal with McFadzean though.

 

[blade too long]

Dones been playing deeper and supplying cover for raiding defenders such as Freeman and O,Connell
Hes not really a centre forward option now and is doing a vital role in our attacking options being widened
He scored v Bradford following up from deeper , which was quite noticeable doing what Freemans done so well in the squad , no harm having Done as an option there

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

I don't see us losing anyone we don't want to. I don't see the likes of Basham, Freeman, Coutts and Sharp only signing one year extensions either.

I'd expect the following to leave: Wilson, Brayford, Hussey, Scougall, Done, O'Shea, McNulty

Then EEL, Riley and Chapman will return to their clubs.

No way is Clarke leaving now. At full fitness he's showing what he could offer us next season.

Yeah I agree with that. It's definitely goodbye to Scougs and McNulty, there is no way they will get retained now. Even if Done has some kind of renewal, I can't see that the will play next year, and expect him (and the others you mention) to be offloaded.

One poster mentioned letting Duffy go - no way - although he can misfire on occasion, he is a match winner, and has won us numerous points this season with his creativity. He deserves a crack at the next league up. Clarke, I think will also get the chance to have another go at the Championship - he is fitter and mentally better than when he last played there.

 

[Working Class Hero]

I think it's a no brainer to move Brayford on.

Financially it would be beneficial, as any replacement would be on lower wages. We'd also receive a fee for Brayford, and the replacement could be a free transfer, like Conor McLaughlin or Jason McCarthy (compensation?).

Football wise it would probably be beneficial too. Brayford's not what he was and I'd trust Wilder to sign a good player, and one who wants to be here. Also a younger player.

The risk of ending up with a new right back considerably worse than Brayford is very low. The risk of ending up with someone worse value for money than Brayford is even lower. The chances of us ending up with someone of similar or better ability and being better off financially is very high.

Brayford wouldn't get in our current team. Freeman's a better RWB, and Basham is a better RCB - even if you disagree with that, you'd have to say that both have more than earned their chance. If he stays we'll be looking at a situation where our highest paid player is sat on the bench, and probably sulking.

Best for everybody if he moves on, and that's what I think will happen. Hopefully FLN will make him Burton's new record signing. It wouldn't surprise me if we did a swap deal with McFadzean though.

What is Brayford worth though? £1m? Surely we will need to be buying defenders around that price anyway, we can't rely on free transfers to compete. Also there's no reason we can't keep Brayford AND sign players on frees.

Both Freeman and Basham have definitely earned their chance and they would both keep their place at the start of next season for me if Brayford is the other option. I doubt though that Basham especially can sustain his current level of performance next year, and I believe Brayford would be fine in that role in the Championship, he's proved that he's good enough.

You say that it's more likely that we'll end up with a better right back but as well as Wright and O'Connell, Wilder has signed Hussey and Wilson, that's how football transfers go. Brayford can also play centre back which is obviously useful. If it turns out we've got better players and cover in each position at the start of the season then that's fine, let him go. Until then I don't see the point, unless he makes it clear he doesn't want to play for SUFC, then he can do one (and that goes for any other player).

 

[Coily]

O'Shea is out of contract at Chesterfield and was probably one of their higher earners. We paid them £50k and took on his contract and in their current financial situation they didn't really have a choice but to accept.

It was a gamble on O'Shea's part: he could have played week in, week out at now-relegated Chesterfield in the hope that someone would pick him up at the end of the season or he could come and play a smaller role at us, hoping to get a contract from us or anyone else.

I disagree, mainly given the situation Chesterfield were / are in. A player like O'Shea is less likely to shine in a side getting slapped most weeks, but moving to a promotion seeking team he can look to shine with a team that are attacking way more than defending. Even if we don't offer him a contract - and I think he'd be a touch unfortunate if he isn't - then he's shown more than enough for promotion chasing teams in next years L1 to be wanting to get him on board, maybe even the smaller budget sides in the Championship. One way or another, O'Shea will get a decent contract for the next couple of years.

I think it's a no brainer to move Brayford on.

Financially it would be beneficial, as any replacement would be on lower wages. We'd also receive a fee for Brayford, and the replacement could be a free transfer, like Conor McLaughlin or Jason McCarthy (compensation?).

Football wise it would probably be beneficial too. Brayford's not what he was and I'd trust Wilder to sign a good player, and one who wants to be here. Also a younger player.

The risk of ending up with a new right back considerably worse than Brayford is very low. The risk of ending up with someone worse value for money than Brayford is even lower. The chances of us ending up with someone of similar or better ability and being better off financially is very high.

Brayford wouldn't get in our current team. Freeman's a better RWB, and Basham is a better RCB - even if you disagree with that, you'd have to say that both have more than earned their chance. If he stays we'll be looking at a situation where our highest paid player is sat on the bench, and probably sulking.

Best for everybody if he moves on, and that's what I think will happen. Hopefully FLN will make him Burton's new record signing. It wouldn't surprise me if we did a swap deal with McFadzean though.

I agree with you, but I think we'll need to be more adaptable next season and if we are playing 4 at the back then Brayford would be our best right back. That said, I think Basham would be a very effective RB, though whether that would be enough against the speedier wide men in the Championship I'm not sure.

 

[The Crab]

I'm too lazy to check, has Brayford played quite a bit this year? I seem to recall him having some fitness issues?

A fit and firing Brayford would be an asset to us I think.

 

[Jon P]

Likes of O'Connell and Wright are great at reading the game which is why they've done so well in L1, but they'll be caught out with the pace of the strikers in the Champ.

Sorry but some of the fan faves from this season won't do it for us next season, got to be ruthless not rose tinted. UTB

 

[The Crab]

Likes of O'Connell and Wright are great at reading the game which is why they've done so well in L1, but they'll be caught out with the pace of the strikers in the Champ.

Sorry but some of the fan faves from this season won't do it for us next season, got to be ruthless not rose tinted. UTB

I get the impression that Wilder will be as ruthless as he needs to be. Some shitty, but necessary decisions will have to be made.

 

[Ricky]

What is Brayford worth though? £1m? Surely we will need to be buying defenders around that price anyway, we can't rely on free transfers to compete. Also there's no reason we can't keep Brayford AND sign players on frees.

Both Freeman and Basham have definitely earned their chance and they would both keep their place at the start of next season for me if Brayford is the other option. I doubt though that Basham especially can sustain his current level of performance next year, and I believe Brayford would be fine in that role in the Championship, he's proved that he's good enough.

You say that it's more likely that we'll end up with a better right back but as well as Wright and O'Connell, Wilder has signed Hussey and Wilson, that's how football transfers go. Brayford can also play centre back which is obviously useful. If it turns out we've got better players and cover in each position at the start of the season then that's fine, let him go. Until then I don't see the point, unless he makes it clear he doesn't want to play for SUFC, then he can do one (and that goes for any other player).

With the management we've got we will easily be able to compete without spending big fees on defenders. There are always a lot of good players out of contract, and fortunately our management are extremely switched on to contract situations - many of the names we were linked with in January had 6 months left on their contracts, that's no coincidence. We also signed the best free transfer going last summer with Fleck. As for Wilson, he's been fine, he was only ever expected to be cover, it's just that he's played even less than he was going to due to Basham and Wright performing so well.

We wouldn't get £1m for Brayford now, we'd be very lucky to get 500k. Especially if Burton are the buying club.

I think Basham will maintain a high level of performance, and I'd also have no problem with him at right back.

There's no doubt we'll play with a back 4 quite often, so we will sign another right back if Brayford goes. We'll also sign someone to compete with Basham for the RCB position. In this case, Jason McCarthy is a good option and very likely to be a target for us - he can play all those positions.

 

[Booker4]

I'm too lazy to check, has Brayford played quite a bit this year? I seem to recall him having some fitness issues?

A fit and firing Brayford would be an asset to us I think.

Brayford's played about 30 games for them. He did miss about 6 weeks with an injury. I think if Burton stay up, Brayford will join Burton permanently.

As for those making reviews on Duffy, he has another year of his contract so I'm sure he'll be staying. He deserves a crack at the level above, although I doubt he'll play as much as he has this season. I didn't know about Done's extra year, I didn't hear Wilder mentioning that in the loist of players with an extra year, which I recall were Basham, Coutts and Freeman. I think Done is a great pro and has been unlucky that Billy came in because Done would have probably done a decent job in Billys role this season but alongside Billy was never going to offer enough variation in my view. That's why Clarke or Hanson look better alongside Billy.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Remember Cloughie's 'You start with one point' mantra.

Duffy would have been far too attack minded for NC and his defensive work isn't the best. CW is much more likely to gamble and I think he will keep Duffy and play him. He won't start every game but his direct running and willingness to receive the ball, will upset plenty of Championship defenders, despite the 'massive gap'.

If there is a massive gap then he'll never be tackled.

 

[Fanny magnet]

Hussey and Wilson will not be huge money so any pay off would be minimal.

From what i have seen of Wilson, Done they will want to play football next season. I could see them move on a free to another L1 side and have a good few years at it.

Hussey on the other hand i could see sitting on his arse taking what ever money he is on and leave at the end of next season unless a nice move for him crops up.

Scougall, McNulty, will be on their way asap without any fuss.

I also don't think for one minute that Chesterfield would have accepted a loan move for O'Shea without having a full transfer at the end of the season in place. So i think he stays.

So in short Wilson, Done, Hussey, Scougall, McNulty, EEL, Riley, Chapman all to leave.

Riley to sign and 7 new ones to come in.

O'shea's contract us up at the end of the season

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Does anyone know what has happened to Kieran Wallace? He was on a season long loan at Fleetwood but has barely played. I assume he must be out of contract this summer.

Still heavily involved on Fleetwood match days.

 

[DiggerBlade]

I hope wilder shows no senterment for players from this season and continues to drive us forward. For me, it would be, Done, Scugal, Long,macnulty, and maybe these, Hanson, and yes, Duffy. I've loved watching Duffy, but seems to have struggled in the Championship before.

Players who may have struggled in the championship before could be a different prospect in the championship under Chris Wilder's tutelage.

Early days of course but Wilder can get the best out of his players as he's proven.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

I'd say yes to Jay O'Shea - his knack for goalscoring (all types of them too, ugly & beautiful) is just so damn useful.
But, with a heavy heart, I'd say no to EEL - he's dipped pretty alarmingly & for too long.

In saying that, EEL scores plenty of goals for a defender too - could do with that being a factor in whoever we bring in to replace him (if indeed we do).

 

[alcoblade]

Likes of O'Connell and Wright are great at reading the game which is why they've done so well in L1, but they'll be caught out with the pace of the strikers in the Champ.

Sorry but some of the fan faves from this season won't do it for us next season, got to be ruthless not rose tinted. UTB

I remember arguing that Harry Maguire's lack of pace would mean he'd never make it in the premiership.

 

[Balham]

I'd say yes to Jay O'Shea - his knack for goalscoring (all types of them too, ugly & beautiful) is just so damn useful.
But, with a heavy heart, I'd say no to EEL - he's dipped pretty alarmingly & for too long.

In saying that, EEL scores plenty of goals for a defender too - could do with that being a factor in whoever we bring in to replace him (if indeed we do).

No heavy heart for me saying no to EEL. He was the right man at the right time in that he came in, put his body on the line, scored some vital goals and gave the fans a cult hero. His importance has diminished as we've improved and we needed better ball players at the back.

He'll never cut it in the Championship but I don't say that as criticism; he deserves all the plaudits he'll get for his role this season.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

No heavy heart for me saying no to EEL. He was the right man at the right time in that he came in, put his body on the line, scored some vital goals and gave the fans a cult hero. His importance has diminished as we've improved and we needed better ball players at the back.

He'll never cut it in the Championship but I don't say that as criticism; he deserves all the plaudits he'll get for his role this season.

Yeah, I say "with a heavy heart" because of that culthood that he came in and achieved so quickly. Memories of the goals v Bury and at Fleetwood will live long, long in the memory, especially. As will his dominant performances earlier in the season.

As you say, the credit he gets for the key role he played this season is 110% deserved.

 

[Harry's Game]

I'd likely O'Shea to stay, he's a goal scoring midfielder and we don't have too many of those

 

[Antonb]

It's a funny one with Oshea cuz he knows where the net is, but that's all I ever notice from him when he plays, he seems to disappear inbetween. Not like Duffy, who seems to be involved in the play all the time he's on.