Performances vs Results

[Bell4]

I find spurs really entertaining to watch. They are 12th.

They had fans crying out for more entertaining football and so they got it.

I wonder what they think now.

That’s a very good post tbh

 

[Menage a petit pois]

It's a good discussion and my view is I would take wins over performances every day of the week. That being said, I am no different to anyone else in wishing we could win by playing an exciting brand of football every week. As others have alluded to, CW has last seasons defensive nightmares to eradicate and for that, we should be eternally grateful that he has addressed that superbly.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

When we went up the first time under Wilder we had an established style and it bred confidence in the players. This carried through into our first season back in the Premier League where we weren't scared of anyone from the get go.

During the promotion under Hecky the performances were largely unconvincing and built around a solid defence and the brilliance of Ndiaye. We were crap in the majority of matches but for a 20-25 minute spell every game. We went up with no recognisable style and weren't helped by losing Ndiaye, Berge, McAtee and Doyle.

I worry if the takeover doesn't go through as we've been very average in most of our games this season, but for a 20-25 minute spell every game. Our success this season has been built around a solid defence and the creativity of Hamer. If we go up we will need to replace Souttar, Rak-Sakyi and Gilchrist before we even think about strengthening other positions.

Despite being top of the league I am worried about promotion without a takeover as the signs are there that history will repeat itself as we are mimicking our last promotion. The Poundland Prince will not back Wilder next summer if he is looking to sell as he'll want to keep the parachute payments, and he'll want a lot more for the club with it being in the Premier League.

I don't want to be pessimistic but without a takeover is there any point going back up? Our performances need to improve to give us the confidence and belief that we need to compete at that level. Right now, despite being top, there's an awful lot needs improving, especially in the final third. Oxford aside we haven't looked close to battering anyone so far this season.

I can take losing, but I can't take poor performances win, lose or draw.

 

[Carlton Blade]

I like to watch attacking, direct (not hoof, but not passing fir the sake of it) football. I like teams that take risks in attack and find clever and innovative ways to leverage what their players strengths are.

But on the original question, you won't consistently win games without competent performances. How you choose to emphasise your strengths is up to the manager. I love that we are winning. I wouldn't choose to watch us as a neutral. It's quite dour in attack for a lot of the game.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

I like to watch attacking, direct (not hoof, but not passing fir the sake of it) football. I like teams that take risks in attack and find clever and innovative ways to leverage what their players strengths are.

But on the original question, you won't consistently win games without competent performances. How you choose to emphasise your strengths is up to the manager. I love that we are winning. I wouldn't choose to watch us as a neutral. It's quite dour in attack for a lot of the game.

Agreed. I don't buy into all this "we're winning and top of the league, therefore there is nothing wrong" because we have been far from consistent and good in the majority of our matches. Results so far? No complaints. The performances so far? Need improving.

 

[blade67]

If you want performances over results then just wait until the bad old days comeback. And we have neither
Then you will have something to. Fucking cry about

the truth is that winning football is entertaining football and losing is shit.

 

[Cherry Street]

We have 7 more points after 20 games than the last time we were in the Championship, despite a 2-point deduction. Fuck the performances. Leave that kind of delusion to that lot in S6.

 

[Keen Blade]

Teams are blocking us passing through the middle and forcing us to go right to Gilchrist. Because Rak Sakyi never runs in behind it leaves Gilchrist with the option to go to Rak Sakyis feet when he is double up on or down line where O Hare is too slow and weak to cause a problem, so we turn over the ball.

JRS would run in behind if anyone ever thought to play a ball in behind the opposition LB and into space for him to run onto. We never do this.
We always pass to him when he's marked by one or two men and then expect him to beat them from a standing start.

 

[Frank the tank]

Performances will improve when fitness levels do
We have become a bit entitled as a fan base, it happen usually just before a rapid fall off so let's hope the. Malaise doesn't affect the manager nad players

 

[Revolution]

I don't want to be pessimistic but without a takeover is there any point going back up?

Without or without the takeover, there is a big point to going up. Money.

 

[CornwallBlade]

Except the expression is usually I'd rather WIN 4-3 than a bland 1-0 win. Today Blades deserved nothing more than a draw so to get 2-0 is exceptional. Gus was tremendous today and his performance was cemented with one of best goals ever at The Lane.

The issue with conceding regularly is that you’ll never win any season long competition. Our defence is the key to where we are now. We lose key players in the attacking areas of the pitch but still compete. Being without Anel and Souttar made us look fragile. In terms of goal difference, we are currently on 3x and have the second best GA after Burnley (11 vs 8) I’d much rather start every game thinking, “we won’t concede” than “I hope we can snatch a goal and just hold on“ That personified last season and it was awful.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

JRS would run in behind if anyone ever thought to play a ball in behind the opposition LB and into space for him to run onto. We never do this.
We always pass to him when he's marked by one or two men and then expect him to beat them from a standing start.

I disgaree. We give the ball to JRS and he only has one player marking him, the full back. He often has three choices;

1) stay wide and take on the full back outside
2) lay the ball off to an overlapping player
3) cut inside where the full back will track him and the centre back will then assist

I rarely see JRS do 1 and 2, he chooses to cut inside and that's when the double marking happens. He causes it through his predictability. Teams don't double mark him until he cuts inside, which 90% of the time he does. He causes the double mark with his poor decision making. Even if that does happen then he should then lay the ball off to the overlapping player as they will be out wide unmarked as the full back has tracked JRS. He doesn't do that and tries to run or pass through two players. He has zero footballing nuance or intelligence as he doesn't see this. He has tunnel vision where he only thinks and sees forwards and has no awareness of what's going on around him.

Watch him closely next match and see how often the above happens. Sods law days he'll stay out wide now!!!

 

[Keen Blade]

I disgaree. We give the ball to JRS and he only has one player marking him, the full back. He often has three choices;

1) stay wide and take on the full back outside
2) lay the ball off to an overlapping player
3) cut inside where the full back will track him and the centre back will then assist

I rarely see JRS do 1 and 2, he chooses to cut inside and that's when the double marking happens. He causes it through his predictability. Teams don't double mark him until he cuts inside, which 90% of the time he does. He causes the double mark with his poor decision making. Even if that does happen then he should then lay the ball off to the overlapping player as they will be out wide unmarked as the full back has tracked JRS. He doesn't do that and tries to run or pass through two players. He has zero footballing nuance or intelligence as he doesn't see this. He has tunnel vision where he only thinks and sees forwards and has no awareness of what's going on around him.

Watch him closely next match and see how often the above happens. Sods law days he'll stay out wide now!!!

I completely agree with you about what JRS does when he receives a pass when there is a defender ahead of him - it is very frustrating that he keeps doing the same thing and failing.
My point was that (in addition to his lack of intelligence) we never force him to "run in behind" by playing a ball beyond his marker.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

We are having a huge streak of luck at the moment. Teams are not punishing us, we're making vital challenges/saves,

I agree with most of what you said in that post, but I would view the section quoted rather differently. We have certainly had luck with opposition players missing chances (though when we miss chances it is tempting to think of it as poor play rather than luck), but our defenders and keeper deserve the credit for the ‘vital challenges/saves’). The likes of Robinson, Souttar, Gilchrist are outstanding at defending in the penalty area, and Cooper is an outstanding keeper, excellent at dealing with the ordinary, and when necessary, he has also shown that he is capable of brilliant saves. Defending well may not always be eye-catching, but it is not luck.
As I say, I agree with most of what you wrote, but I do think the defenders deserve great credit so far this season.

 

[Montymagic]

I say points.

Our lass says performance...