Percentage of shots that go in against us

[Chali 2na]

We need a Championship class striker, no doubt about it.

I don't think we can realistically afford a ready made, championship class striker, unfortunately.

 

[Baaaaaaa Blades]

It baffles me how we are not closing down these shots more - also isn't Snodgrass naturally left footed so surely Stevens should have known/ been informed to not let him to turn on to his better foot- regardless I was told as a full back to push them out to the wings never let them come into the middle

we had a warning not long before the goal with Grealish running through and his shot just going wide

 

[ShefRedandWhite]

That's the step up from League one I guess... We didn't see too many worldies scored against us there.
I suppose that's also what takes players worth a few hundred thousand to being worth a few million. That moment of class.

Fair enough to say we don't have enough of that at the minute. Not to say we should be disheartened by it... Just defend a little better (or more clever) and those type of goals aren't an option.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

It baffles me how we are not closing down these shots more - also isn't Snodgrass naturally left footed so surely Stevens should have known/ been informed to not let him to turn on to his better foot- regardless I was told as a full back to push them out to the wings never let them come into the middle

we had a warning not long before the goal with Grealish running through and his shot just going wide

We did close them down, all game. When the ball was passed to him I immediately knew he was going to score. I don't know why, but I'm guessing it was clear the defence was in the wrong place, covering the wrong players and options. He still had a lot to do, but it was one of the very, very few opportunities in the game where one of their strikers could get a clean shot off.

 

[Baaaaaaa Blades]

We did close them down, all game. When the ball was passed to him I immediately knew he was going to score. I don't know why, but I'm guessing it was clear the defence was in the wrong place, covering the wrong players and options. He still had a lot to do, but it was one of the very, very few opportunities in the game where one of their strikers could get a clean shot off.

unfortunately we didnt close them down for that one and the Grealish shot which could have ended up in the back of the net - costly but as a whole we defended well but this i suppose is what the top end of the Champ is -you have players costing millions who can and do scored these goals

knew it was in also from the second it left him, bieng Westfield Corner stand i had a perfect/horrible veiw of the bugger curling in !

 

[mosbolad]

Is a ridiculous 42%. Almost half of the shots teams have against us goes in. It's by far the most in the league. We have also had less shots on goal than all but 5 teams in the league though we have the 5th best shots per goals ratio.

STATS

Thanks Roy. However......We allow teams the fewest shots on target against us in the league, an average of 2.75 a game.
However again....Of the shots that do get through the defence we concede the most goals in the league against predicted goals for number of shots on target. Interestingly Villa concede the fewest which was born out last night. We had 6 shots on target and scored none.

Here's the link. The columns are sortable. Click the end column 'error' which sorts predicted goals based on the number of shots on target v actual goals, and we are bottom.

http://www.footcharts.co.uk/index.cfm?task=corr_defence

Of course I've just realised I've agreed with all you said Roy.....

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Interesting stats, but very difficult to interpret. They look bad for our keepers, but as a member of the goalkeeping Union, I regard it as a total injustice to hold either keeper more than marginally responsible; the one for Hull should have been saved by Moore, but yesterday's goal would not have been saved by any keeper in the world. In recent years, we certainly had problems with Howard in goal on long shots - his speed of movement for long-range shots was suspect. I would give the following as possible part-explanations:
1. Most teams at this level have better long-range shooters than we have. In fact we have nobody who regularly looks a threat from distance.
2. We have had some rotten luck. Remember the Birmingham goal? Brilliant, and still the only goal Boga has scored this season.
3. The defenders are making it hard for other teams to get through, in part because they retreat to protect the penalty area. In some ways, that is working, as few sides are creating the tap-ins of the type that Madine scored the other week. But it is giving them the chance to line up long-range shots. Last nights winner had the added factor of mental/physical tiredness - most of our team are playing at the highest level of their career, and that probably contributed to the failure to take good decisions as their attack built up to the goal. I think we need to understand that we are still learning at this level.

 

[ChemEngBlade]

Is a ridiculous 42%. Almost half of the shots teams have against us goes in. It's by far the most in the league. We have also had less shots on goal than all but 5 teams in the league though we have the 5th best shots per goals ratio.

STATS

You can read into stats what you will. We've faced few shots because of our high-pressing, we tend to win things higher up the pitch, thus the opposition rarely get the chance to shoot from much range. And those teams that do get the opportunities tend to be the better ones and thus have the quality players to pick out space to slot it in

 

[alcoblade]

Only a handful of teams can afford one, considering the going rate for a "top striker" appears to be £10-£15m. This means we will have to buy a player who has the capability to potentially be a top striker - this will mean shopping in the lower leagues or abroad.

In every other position we are above average?
I doubt whether our RCB, LWB and ST would be considered above average, relative to our opposition.

I agreed about the striker. We can’t afford to address it, and (controversially) should consider selling Brookes.

I think Baldock is above average at RWB.

I’d accept the point about LWB, but still argue a keeper is top of the list.

 

[Chali 2na]

I agreed about the striker. We can’t afford to address it, and (controversially) should consider selling Brookes.

I'm not sure we do agree if you still think a GK is the priority.

You seem to be saying; "We can't afford a ready made striker, so we should get a keeper 1st instead"

I'm saying; "we will never be able to afford a ready made striker, so we should concentrate on buying somone with the potential to improve rather than a new keeper"

I think Baldock is above average at RWB.

Completely agree: it was RCB where I had more concern.

I’d accept the point about LWB, but still argue a keeper is top of the list.

Each to their own I guess, but I very much doubt a keeper is top of the list, so you may be disappointed.

 

[Stretch]

I do wonder how much the 5 we conceded against Fulham affect this stat? Every time they had a shot it went in and 15% of all goals we have conceded so far went in that night.

 

[Steve.C]

We definatly need to address the wing backs left side mainly think Stevens and lafferty aren't tough enough defensively, can't recall them sticking in a good challenge?

 

[alcoblade]

y Villa concede the fewest which was born out last night. We had 6 shots on target and scored none.

...

If the keepers were switched, we’d have won that game comfortably.

 

[alcoblade]

I'm not sure we do agree if you still think a GK is the priority.

You seem to be saying; "We can't afford a ready made striker, so we should get a keeper 1st instead"

I'm saying; "we will never be able to afford a ready made striker, so we should concentrate on buying somone with the potential to improve rather than a new keeper"



Completely agree: it was RCB where I had more concern.



Each to their own I guess, but I very much doubt a keeper is top of the list, so you may be disappointed.

But I didn’t say we agreed, other than about the striker.

And for me, if you can’t afford a better striker, you move in you your next weakest link which for me, is the GK.

I’m not trying to convince you about the keeper - you’re entitled to your view. But I’m quite comfortable with the logic of my argument.

In terms if Strikers, Wilder is trying to address our point by signing premiership loanees. For now, that option is covered by James Wilson. I would predict a similar type of signing next year if, as I suspect, we don’t go up.

 

[super_pig]

Is a ridiculous 42%. Almost half of the shots teams have against us goes in. It's by far the most in the league. We have also had less shots on goal than all but 5 teams in the league though we have the 5th best shots per goals ratio.

STATS

i posted in the shout box last night.. ‘what do our keepers do bar pick the ball out if the net’?

 

[super_pig]

That is mad to be fair. We do seem to concede a disproportionate amount of worldies. Even the Snodgrass effort, whilst a poor decision from Stevens, was still a great finish.

world class shots need high quality keepers to save them

 

[super_pig]

Given the amount of games Blackman has played this stat can't be levelled on one keeper.

no i’m levelling it at both

 

[Sothall_Blade]

The actual statistic is that 41% of opposition's shots on target end up in the back of our net, not all shots as per the OP.

We still have the worst record in the League for this but several other clubs aren't too far behind.
The average is 31% and the best is Villa's 23%.

 

[super_pig]

If the keepers were switched, we’d have won that game comfortably.

this all day

 

[mosbolad]

If the keepers were switched, we’d have won that game comfortably.

Moore didn't do anything wrong and I can't imagine Johnstone having stopped their goal. I can imagine Moore would have saved our shots. Most saves by Johnstone were routine to good with only one save I would say was very good.

Maybe if we had someone the likes of Snodgrass who could finish like he did. Maybe if we had a defender that didn't allow him to get it on his left foot. Maybe, if, maybe etc........ But very harsh to put this loss at the door of Simon Moore.

 

[Chali 2na]

But I didn’t say we agreed, other than about the striker.

Exactly. We patently disagree about the striker?

And for me, if you can’t afford a better striker, you move in you your next weakest link which for me, is the GK.

Again, we will never (under the current transfer policy) be able to afford a striker, so what now?
We have to address it at some point, and my argument is that it should be addressed before GK

I’m not trying to convince you about the keeper - you’re entitled to your view. But I’m quite comfortable with the logic of my argument.

Absoloutely, but I'd be willing to bet that Wilder and co will prioritise a new forward before a new GK

In terms if Strikers, Wilder is trying to address our point by signing premiership loanees. For now, that option is covered by James Wilson. I would predict a similar type of signing next year if, as I suspect, we don’t go up.

Yes, we're covered for this season with Wilson, and I agree that we will most likely loan a PL striker next year.

I would say we need to make some tough decisions about our contracted forwards, and make room for a new, permanent one with the potential to improve.

 

[Sheffsteel]

That statistics site also shows we are comfortably top of the league regards CORNERS.

We average 6.5 corners per match
Where the opposition only average 3.2 corners per match.

 

[Harrisblade]

But I didn’t say we agreed, other than about the striker.

And for me, if you can’t afford a better striker, you move in you your next weakest link which for me, is the GK.

I’m not trying to convince you about the keeper - you’re entitled to your view. But I’m quite comfortable with the logic of my argument.

In terms if Strikers, Wilder is trying to address our point by signing premiership loanees. For now, that option is covered by James Wilson. I would predict a similar type of signing next year if, as I suspect, we don’t go up.

In what way is Moore a 'weak link'?

 

[Chali 2na]

In what way is Moore a 'weak link'?

Not only is he the weak link, but he's the first person we need to replace, apparently.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

world class shots need high quality keepers to save them

NO goalkeeper saves world-class shots. It would have needed a freak with arms 10-foot long to get near the ball. Explain how any goalie can get to a ball that goes high above him, is curling round him, and going into the corner of the goal. You see those go in every week from the likes of Salah, Mahrez, etc.

 

[Baaaaaaa Blades]

That statistics site also shows we are comfortably top of the league regards CORNERS.

We average 6.5 corners per match
Where the opposition only average 3.2 corners per match.

yet we don't do much at all with those 6+ corners !
saying that i was impressed with Evans corners last night -

 

[PokerBlade]

I think it’s difficult to strengthen us, given our lack of resource,

This, in a single line, is our problem.

When you look at some of our players, where they've come from, the job they're doing, and the standard they're offering, it's very hard to criticise. We've got two wingbacks in their first Championship season and they've got us comfortably in the top half of the table. Unfortunately, they aren't quite good enough coming forward when it comes to beating a man or crossing the ball. But what can we do? They're fantastic signings relative to the budget. That Villa squad last night had cost them tens of millions and they stole a win with a top class outside of the box finish.

I can point out the areas I'd like to improve to push us that bit further up the table but doing so on our current budget would be working miracles. Hopefully this season will end strongly enough that as an established Championship club we can speculate further on our transfers. As far as this season goes, all we can do is enjoy what's left and hope that it's enough to pull off the spectacular.

It's so frustrating being just short, but we have to remember this is overachieving and not failure.

 

[Harrisblade]

This, in a single line, is our problem.

When you look at some of our players, where they've come from, the job they're doing, and the standard they're offering, it's very hard to criticise. We've got two wingbacks in their first Championship season and they've got us comfortably in the top half of the table. Unfortunately, they aren't quite good enough coming forward when it comes to beating a man or crossing the ball. But what can we do? They're fantastic signings relative to the budget. That Villa squad last night had cost them tens of millions and they stole a win with a top class outside of the box finish.

I can point out the areas I'd like to improve to push us that bit further up the table but doing so on our current budget would be working miracles. Hopefully this season will end strongly enough that as an established Championship club we can speculate further on our transfers. As far as this season goes, all we can do is enjoy what's left and hope that it's enough to pull off the spectacular.

It's so frustrating being just short, but we have to remember this is overachieving and not failure.

I suppose the question is - will being in the Championship for a few seasons (hopefully) increase the budget sufficiently to allow us to improve on the current level of signings?

 

[BushBlade]

NO goalkeeper saves world-class shots. It would have needed a freak with arms 10-foot long to get near the ball. Explain how any goalie can get to a ball that goes high above him, is curling round him, and going into the corner of the goal. You see those go in every week from the likes of Salah, Mahrez, etc.

I thought Snodgrass was a prick all night but that was a top class strike.

 

[BushBlade]

I suppose the question is - will being in the Championship for a few seasons (hopefully) increase the budget sufficiently to allow us to improve on the current level of signings?

No, it will be about the same each year but as we get a better squad we'll not have to bring in as many new players so, for example, instead of making eight signings in a season we'll only have to make two or three. And as we start to get rid of the players we don't use much, like Carruthers, it will free up money for wages.
We'll still need to scout and recruit well.