Penalties vs. Gillingham

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Agree it was an amazing handball.
If I didn't know any better it was as though he deliberately handballed it.

Reminded me of the handball John Fashanu did against us away at Wimbkedon.
Bassett was manager so my memory is a bit vague but didn't Fash handball it or foul in the area but the ref ignored it but a few minutes later we had a corner and Fash basically caught the ball giving away an obvious pen.

It was around the time when in later years Wimbledon including Fashanu were accused of fixing matches.
There was a massive independant investigation but it got dropped in the end as the evidence wasn't seen as substantial enough. Think Segers was accused too, remember the goal he conceded away at Everton on the last day when he seemed to dive over the ball to let them win 3-2.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Agree it was an amazing handball.
If I didn't know any better it was as though he deliberately handballed it.

Reminded me of the handball John Fashanu did against us away at Wimbkedon.
Bassett was manager so my memory is a bit vague but didn't Fash handball it or foul in the area but the ref ignored it but a few minutes later we had a corner and Fash basically caught the ball giving away an obvious pen.

It was around the time when in later years Wimbledon including Fashanu were accused of fixing matches.
There was a massive independant investigation but it got dropped in the end as the evidence wasn't seen as substantial enough. Think Segers was accused too, remember the goal he conceded away at Everton on the last day when he seemed to dive over the ball to let them win 3-2.
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I was literally yards from Fashanu when he did it and as I remember,a penalty was given first time but unbelievably not given the second time. My mate ironically won a lot of money on the first scorer at a betting stall in the ground on Alan Cork. Trouble is he played for them. We had a great night out in the Dorset in Stockwell and Balham. Fashanu definitely tried to lose the game as did Segers or at the worst had side bets on goals or pens etc. Utter wankers
 
This is why it pisses me off that the same accusation often gets levelled at Jagielka. It just happens from time to time. Pask didn't set out to deliberately lose the game for Gillingham, McEveley was just a simpleton when he did it for us last season.

If United had stayed up, we probably would've sold him anyway. He didn't have to engineer our relegation in order to leave.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Agree it was an amazing handball.
If I didn't know any better it was as though he deliberately handballed it.

Reminded me of the handball John Fashanu did against us away at Wimbkedon.
Bassett was manager so my memory is a bit vague but didn't Fash handball it or foul in the area but the ref ignored it but a few minutes later we had a corner and Fash basically caught the ball giving away an obvious pen.

It was around the time when in later years Wimbledon including Fashanu were accused of fixing matches.
There was a massive independant investigation but it got dropped in the end as the evidence wasn't seen as substantial enough. Think Segers was accused too, remember the goal he conceded away at Everton on the last day when he seemed to dive over the ball to let them win 3-2.
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Was also at that game and the ref (Paul Danson) wrote a piece citing it as the strangest game he ever refereed. He basically stated he literally did not believe his eyes.
 
Tyler Durden said:
This is why it pisses me off that the same accusation often gets levelled at Jagielka. It just happens from time to time. Pask didn't set out to deliberately lose the game for Gillingham, McEveley was just a simpleton when he did it for us last season.

If United had stayed up, we probably would've sold him anyway. He didn't have to engineer our relegation in order to leave.
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Edwards did it 5 or 6 times a season to try and get an advantage and usually got away with 1 or 2.

Sharp deliberately palmed the ball to Done on Sunday and then said "What for?" when the ref gave the foul.

It helped Maradona to a World Cup Winners medal and Henry cheated Ireland out of another World Cup with a sneaky handball.

In the case of defenders it's usually a bit of panic because they see the ball going passed them and throw an arm out. Usually it's not quite as obvious as Pask's and sometimes they too will get away with it.
 
sitwell said:
I was literally yards from Fashanu when he did it
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I must have stood near you. I was behind the goal, the Blade next to me jumped up and down after Deane scored the penalty and could be seen in the video
 
Sheffsteel said:
Agree it was an amazing handball.
If I didn't know any better it was as though he deliberately handballed it.

Reminded me of the handball John Fashanu did against us away at Wimbkedon.
Bassett was manager so my memory is a bit vague but didn't Fash handball it or foul in the area but the ref ignored it but a few minutes later we had a corner and Fash basically caught the ball giving away an obvious pen.

It was around the time when in later years Wimbledon including Fashanu were accused of fixing matches.
There was a massive independant investigation but it got dropped in the end as the evidence wasn't seen as substantial enough. Think Segers was accused too, remember the goal he conceded away at Everton on the last day when he seemed to dive over the ball to let them win 3-2.
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This. 200% this.

I was at Plough Lane that day. Remember at the time thinking how very odd it was of Fashanu to do the Harlem Globetrotter TWICE in one match. Ref didn't see the first one. Totally and completely blatant.

A few years later it dawned on me that Fashs actions were very very deliberate and that he no doubt profited from his actions.

UTB
 
Tyler Durden said:
This is why it pisses me off that the same accusation often gets levelled at Jagielka. It just happens from time to time. Pask didn't set out to deliberately lose the game for Gillingham, McEveley was just a simpleton when he did it for us last season.

If United had stayed up, we probably would've sold him anyway. He didn't have to engineer our relegation in order to leave.
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These things happen - 'rush of blood', highly likely that the defender is nudged and is put off balance. O'Connell did the same at Millwall. But...
DronnieBlade said:
This. 200% this.

I was at Plough Lane that day. Remember at the time thinking how very odd it was of Fashanu to do the Harlem Globetrotter TWICE in one match. Ref didn't see the first one. Totally and completely blatant.

A few years later it dawned on me that Fashs actions were very very deliberate and that he no doubt profited from his actions.

UTB
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He did see the first one and awarded a penalty. Fashanu's bribe to fix the match probably included United getting two penalties. He duly obliged but I can only imagine that the ref. was so amazed at such a blatant attempt at match fixing, he didn't give the second. For you young 'uns, the ending of that season (1993-94) was mired in the kind of controversy that seems to follow United around. Never really out of the bottom half of the table, on Feb 12 we drew at home to Coventry 0-0 and we embarked on an amazing 14-game run that only included 2 defeats (D, L, D, D, D, D, D, W, W, W, D, L, W, W, D). Then, on May 7th we lost the last match of the season at Chelsea and - even by United's standards - it was cruel. 5 minutes to go and we led 2-1and were 'safe'. By the time the final whistle went, we'd lost 3-2 and were down after 2 seasons in the newly-formed Premier League. But that wasn't the half of it. On the same day, Everton (who only finished 2 points above the Blades and with an inferior goal difference) managed to beat - again - Wimbledon. In goal for the Dons was Hans Segers who, along with Fashanu and Grobelaar, were all in the same match -fixing ring, and he managed to let the ball bounce twice before letting Everton's winning third goal bobble in. You decide....

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Another fact you young 'uns may not know about is the 'Law of 13's' In 1968, United lost the last game of the season 1-2 to Chelsea and were relegated. Thirteen years later (1981) we were again relegated on the last day of the season - this time to the Fourth Division - losing to a late Walsall penalty. However, United were handed a lifeline when we were awarded an even later penalty. Such luck never favours United! Don Givens strode up to take it and...the rest is history.
Fast-forward another 13 years (1994) and the aforementioned Chelsea game. An other 13 years and a cold, bleak rainy 13th May, 2007 saw another last-game defeat relegate United.

Can't wait till 2020! (I was at all these matches and hope to be at the last game in 2020). What can possibly go wrong? :(
 
DronnieBlade said:
This. 200% this.

I was at Plough Lane that day. Remember at the time thinking how very odd it was of Fashanu to do the Harlem Globetrotter TWICE in one match. Ref didn't see the first one. Totally and completely blatant.


UTB
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It was the second one the ref Paul Durkin didn't see
 
grafikhaus said:
These things happen - 'rush of blood', highly likely that the defender is nudged and is put off balance. O'Connell did the same at Millwall. But...


He did see the first one and awarded a penalty. Fashanu's bribe to fix the match probably included United getting two penalties. He duly obliged but I can only imagine that the ref. was so amazed at such a blatant attempt at match fixing, he didn't give the second. For you young 'uns, the ending of that season (1993-94) was mired in the kind of controversy that seems to follow United around. Never really out of the bottom half of the table, on Feb 12 we drew at home to Coventry 0-0 and we embarked on an amazing 14-game run that only included 2 defeats (D, L, D, D, D, D, D, W, W, W, D, L, W, W, D). Then, on May 7th we lost the last match of the season at Chelsea and - even by United's standards - it was cruel. 5 minutes to go and we led 2-1and were 'safe'. By the time the final whistle went, we'd lost 3-2 and were down after 2 seasons in the newly-formed Premier League. But that wasn't the half of it. On the same day, Everton (who only finished 2 points above the Blades and with an inferior goal difference) managed to beat - again - Wimbledon. In goal for the Dons was Hans Segers who, along with Fashanu and Grobelaar, were all in the same match -fixing ring, and he managed to let the ball bounce twice before letting Everton's winning third goal bobble in. You decide....

​


Another fact you young 'uns may not know about is the 'Law of 13's' In 1968, United lost the last game of the season 1-2 to Chelsea and were relegated. Thirteen years later (1981) we were again relegated on the last day of the season - this time to the Fourth Division - losing to a late Walsall penalty. However, United were handed a lifeline when we were awarded an even later penalty. Such luck never favours United! Don Givens strode up to take it and...the rest is history.
Fast-forward another 13 years (1994) and the aforementioned Chelsea game. An other 13 years and a cold, bleak rainy 13th May, 2007 saw another last-game defeat relegate United.

Can't wait till 2020! (I was at all these matches and hope to be at the last game in 2020). What can possibly go wrong? :(
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That said, if we'd beaten Chelsea it wouldn't have mattered. To be sure of Everton staying up, one would have had to nobble players in both games....
 
BushBlade said:
That said, if we'd beaten Chelsea it wouldn't have mattered. To be sure of Everton staying up, one would have had to nobble players in both games....
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True, but that's how 'they' get away with it. Very few things in football are black and white. The powers-that-be place great store in goal-line technology, but I doubt if 1% of games are decided by 'did the ball cross the line?'. Much more relevant are instances of offside, but the TV companies seem very reluctant to put the spotlight on this. If a ref/lino gets it wrong, it's casually dismissed (much like the 'I've seen them given' where penalties are concerned.) as 'It's a hairline decision'.

The opening game of the 2006-07 season, where we were comfortably 1-0 up at home to Liverpool changed when Rob Styles 'spotted' an infringement which gifted Stevie G. a penalty is a case in point. For those at the game, we assumed that some off-ball incident had happened leading to the penalty. That's the nature of the game and we accept it. However, when it became apparent that Styles had given the penalty because 'Morgan intended to foul' (but didn't) makes the whole thing stink.

As ever, it's all about money. Where there's money, there's fiddle. So we see the majority of clubs and pitchside advertising sponsored by extremely dodgy gambling companies (or the equally-dubious FX trading cos.) The sight of the twice-bankrupt professional cockney geezer Ray Winstone lying about 'I gaaaaaaamble responsibly' should be enough to raise the odd cynical smile.
 
grafikhaus said:
These things happen - 'rush of blood', highly likely that the defender is nudged and is put off balance. O'Connell did the same at Millwall. But...


He did see the first one and awarded a penalty. Fashanu's bribe to fix the match probably included United getting two penalties. He duly obliged but I can only imagine that the ref. was so amazed at such a blatant attempt at match fixing, he didn't give the second. For you young 'uns, the ending of that season (1993-94) was mired in the kind of controversy that seems to follow United around. Never really out of the bottom half of the table, on Feb 12 we drew at home to Coventry 0-0 and we embarked on an amazing 14-game run that only included 2 defeats (D, L, D, D, D, D, D, W, W, W, D, L, W, W, D). Then, on May 7th we lost the last match of the season at Chelsea and - even by United's standards - it was cruel. 5 minutes to go and we led 2-1and were 'safe'. By the time the final whistle went, we'd lost 3-2 and were down after 2 seasons in the newly-formed Premier League. But that wasn't the half of it. On the same day, Everton (who only finished 2 points above the Blades and with an inferior goal difference) managed to beat - again - Wimbledon. In goal for the Dons was Hans Segers who, along with Fashanu and Grobelaar, were all in the same match -fixing ring, and he managed to let the ball bounce twice before letting Everton's winning third goal bobble in. You decide....

​


Another fact you young 'uns may not know about is the 'Law of 13's' In 1968, United lost the last game of the season 1-2 to Chelsea and were relegated. Thirteen years later (1981) we were again relegated on the last day of the season - this time to the Fourth Division - losing to a late Walsall penalty. However, United were handed a lifeline when we were awarded an even later penalty. Such luck never favours United! Don Givens strode up to take it and...the rest is history.
Fast-forward another 13 years (1994) and the aforementioned Chelsea game. An other 13 years and a cold, bleak rainy 13th May, 2007 saw another last-game defeat relegate United.

Can't wait till 2020! (I was at all these matches and hope to be at the last game in 2020). What can possibly go wrong? :(
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I was on holiday in Tunisia on the final day of the 93 season and saw the whole thing on Sly Sports.

We were favourites to stay up because all we needed to do was avoid defeat at a poor Chelsea
But even if we did lose then Everton had to beat a decent Wimbkedon team
And Ipswich had to avoid defeat away at top of the table Blackburn.

At half time we were winning 2-1
Everton were losing 0-2 to Wimbledon
And Ipswich were still 0-0 away at Blackburn.

At half time Imthink we were 6th from the bottom.
I celebrated at half time and bought some expensive beers.
My girlfriend at the time said, it's not over yet. I explained to her that it would take a miracle for United to be relegated now. Then Everton pulled it back, then equalised. Chelsea got a late equaliser.
My girl friend was winding me up. Then Everton scored a very dodgy winner but we were still save but deep into injury time Chelsea scored and we we lost 3-2.

There was still 1 match that hadn't finished.
Ipswich away at top of the league Blackburn which was still 0-0.
The commentator said Shearer was having loads of chances and Blackburn should be winning.
It ended up 0-0 and incredibly against all odds we were down. I was in shock and went into a mini depression that day. My girlfriend accused me of being childish letting a football match affect me.
True but it was the way it happed. I was 99.9% sure we were safe but the miracle happened to send us down.
 

Sheffsteel said:
I was on holiday in Tunisia on the final day of the 93 season and saw the whole thing on Sly Sports.

We were favourites to stay up because all we needed to do was avoid defeat at a poor Chelsea
But even if we did lose then Everton had to beat a decent Wimbkedon team
And Ipswich had to avoid defeat away at top of the table Blackburn.

At half time we were winning 2-1
Everton were losing 0-2 to Wimbledon
And Ipswich were still 0-0 away at Blackburn.

At half time Imthink we were 6th from the bottom.
I celebrated at half time and bought some expensive beers.
My girlfriend at the time said, it's not over yet. I explained to her that it would take a miracle for United to be relegated now. Then Everton pulled it back, then equalised. Chelsea got a late equaliser.
My girl friend was winding me up. Then Everton scored a very dodgy winner but we were still save but deep into injury time Chelsea scored and we we lost 3-2.

There was still 1 match that hadn't finished.
Ipswich away at top of the league Blackburn which was still 0-0.
The commentator said Shearer was having loads of chances and Blackburn should be winning.
It ended up 0-0 and incredibly against all odds we were down. I was in shock and went into a mini depression that day. My girlfriend accused me of being childish letting a football match affect me.
True but it was the way it happed. I was 99.9% sure we were safe but the miracle happened to send us down.
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I hope you didn't marry her.
 
BushBlade said:
I hope you didn't marry her.
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I did marry her but we got divorced many years ago.

She came to one United match with me. The 0-0 draw at home to Liverpool when Mel Rees played a blinder, saved 2 one on ones with Rush and a point blank header from Rush at the Kop end.
 
Sheffsteel said:
I did marry her but we got divorced many years ago.

She came to one United match with me. The 0-0 draw at home to Liverpool when Mel Rees played a blinder, saved 2 one on ones with Rush and a point blank header from Rush at the Kop end.
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Mel Rees' only game for us against Liverpool was in the 2-0 win (Deane scored both) in March 1992. The 0-0 draw was in Boxing Day 1993 after Rees had passed away
 
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