Outgoing? Peck

[HeySethUTB]

Maybe just me but I didn’t find anything special about Bellingham in the final.

He’s got stature but it feels like he’s trading on the family name.

Hamer is streets ahead of him for instance though I acknowledge the age range makes a difference in value with players.

Interesting that Sunderland will enter the season having lost two of their better players. Sounds familiar.

The comparison of Jobe and Peck is intriguing. Statistically you’re splitting hairs in most data sets. I do believe Jobes “name” has increased his profile and therefore price.

As an overarching factor Peck has completed 32 90mins in comparison to Jobes 39.

Final Third Contribution:

• Both players are level in non-penalty goal+assist output per 90 (0.15).
• Jobe: 0.07 xAG, Peck: 0.08 xAG – marginal difference.

Progression:

• Jobe carries more (52 vs 33), but adjusted for minutes, Peck would project 40–48 – fairly even.
• Peck excels in progressive passing: 187 vs Jobe’s 193, despite 7 fewer games which is a clear and advantageous strength.

Shooting:

• Peck is more accurate (28% SoT vs 17%) but shoots less often.
• Jobe is +1 vs xG, while Peck is -2 – Jobe’s shots carry more threat or luck; Peck possibly unlucky or over-precise. This could also be explained by tactical instructions.

Passing:

• Jobe has higher accuracy (86% vs 80%) but attempts fewer passes.
• Peck’s passes cover significantly more progressive distance (+2000m) and he's more involved in set-pieces (21 corners vs 0), explaining the lower completion.

Defensive Contribution:

• Peck is more combative: 66 tackles vs 72 in fewer games – scaled up he wins that duel.
• Tackle win rates are close (Jobe 61%, Peck 58%).
• In the air, Peck is superior: 56% success vs Jobe’s 46%.

I’m really not getting this athleticism or because his brother is good argument as to why peck shouldn’t be valued the same suggested on this thread, for example Wayne Rooney played for England while his younger brothers John and Graham have reached the dizzy heights of Macclesfield town and Guiseley.

The comparison between peck and Jobe to me shows similar statistical output. Jobe may have the bigger name and marginally more attacking flair when it comes to progressive carries, but Peck shows greater value in deeper midfield attributes progressive passing, defensive actions, and aerial duels. A smarter recruiter would probably find a more cost-effective upside in Peck, but only if we as a club don’t recognise or leverage the value of Jobe to increase the valuation of peck.

 

[Badger Blade]

Just wish he’d add goals. Maybe next year he does. Maybe he evolves into a no 10 and does just that. He wasn’t a deep Midfielder in the youths. But if Doyle is available for 3m then this would soften the blow of any midfield departure.

The comparison between peck and Jobe to me shows similar statistical output. Jobe may have the bigger name and marginally more attacking flair when it comes to progressive carries, but Peck shows greater value in deeper midfield attributes progressive passing, defensive actions, and aerial duels. A smarter recruiter would probably find a more cost-effective upside in Peck, but only if we as a club don’t recognise or leverage the value of Jobe to increase the valuation of peck.

Based on the above, if Hamer was to leave, could we reinvent Peck's role a bit, change the system and push him further forward to accommodate him?

He's too good to be bench warming in my opinion. Might mean dropping O'Hare but gives a different option, maybe go with 3 CM's and push him on to be more of a 10 and get in support of the striker a bit more, especially if Moore is up there and has runners off him.

Similar to what we did with Sander Berge who excelled when he played further forward, rather than being a giant Nick Montgomery.

 

[Thrice]

Maybe just me but I didn’t find anything special about Bellingham in the final.

He’s got stature but it feels like he’s trading on the family name.

Hamer is streets ahead of him for instance though I acknowledge the age range makes a difference in value with players.

Interesting that Sunderland will enter the season having lost two of their better players. Sounds familiar.

Will be interesting to see him at Dortmund. Going from Championship to Champions League is a huge step for any player. But the fact that at 19 he's already played more than a 100 Championship games is pretty impressive.

 

[JD88]

Don't want to see him leave but I wouldn't be surprised if he does. Would agree with a earlier post in that 15 mill and he is probably gone. Although different players I struggle to see Peck and Arblaster in the same midfield and both are better with a Souza type next to them. If Peck is still here first game and Arblaster is fit and ready to go, think it is very 50/50 who start as first choice.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

15 million is the price of a squad member like Osula these days...

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

I'll bet that if you asked fans of other Championship clubs who would they rather sign Jobe Bellingham or Sydie Peck, the majority would say Jobe Bellingham, and not just because of his brother. A hell of a lot of the same fans would probably also answer the question with "Sydie who? Who does he play for?" Only our fans hype up Peck.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

15 million is the price of a squad member like Osula these days...

Aye
So we were low balled (again?!?) by Spewcastle?

 

[KOPPO]

never changed no matter who owners are THEY CASH IN

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

I'll bet that if you asked fans of other Championship clubs who would they rather sign Jobe Bellingham or Sydie Peck, the majority would say Jobe Bellingham, and not just because of his brother. A hell of a lot of the same fans would probably also answer the question with "Sydie who? Who does he play for?" Only our fans hype up Peck.

Whereas if you ask the scouting and analytics departments of the aforementioned clubs, they'd give you a different answer.

Seriously, why do you think the in opinions of fans of other clubs have any bearing on transfer price?

What an utterly ridiculous argument.

 

[Champagneblade]

Based on the above, if Hamer was to leave, could we reinvent Peck's role a bit, change the system and push him further forward to accommodate him?

He's too good to be bench warming in my opinion. Might mean dropping O'Hare but gives a different option, maybe go with 3 CM's and push him on to be more of a 10 and get in support of the striker a bit more, especially if Moore is up there and has runners off him.

Similar to what we did with Sander Berge who excelled when he played further forward, rather than being a giant Nick Montgomery.

Could we get away with a midfield diamond?

Knackers the use of wingers but you could then accommodate Souza at the base and then some combo of Arblaster, Peck and O’Hare and retain two forwards.

You just can’t have everything. No wingers in that formation.

 

[South Sea Blade]

Could we get away with a midfield diamond?

Knackers the use of wingers but you could then accommodate Souza at the base and then some combo of Arblaster, Peck and O’Hare and retain two forwards.

You just can’t have everything. No wingers in that formation.

Burrows and Seriki bombing forward??? Could be fun!

 

[Sean Thornton]

We don’t know what talkative money our new owners have nor how much is available for investment.

Not enough. (I’ve read that on here)

 

[Younger Dryas Blade]

The comparison of Jobe and Peck is intriguing. Statistically you’re splitting hairs in most data sets. I do believe Jobes “name” has increased his profile and therefore price.

As an overarching factor Peck has completed 32 90mins in comparison to Jobes 39.

Final Third Contribution:

• Both players are level in non-penalty goal+assist output per 90 (0.15).
• Jobe: 0.07 xAG, Peck: 0.08 xAG – marginal difference.

Progression:

• Jobe carries more (52 vs 33), but adjusted for minutes, Peck would project 40–48 – fairly even.
• Peck excels in progressive passing: 187 vs Jobe’s 193, despite 7 fewer games which is a clear and advantageous strength.

Shooting:

• Peck is more accurate (28% SoT vs 17%) but shoots less often.
• Jobe is +1 vs xG, while Peck is -2 – Jobe’s shots carry more threat or luck; Peck possibly unlucky or over-precise. This could also be explained by tactical instructions.

Passing:

• Jobe has higher accuracy (86% vs 80%) but attempts fewer passes.
• Peck’s passes cover significantly more progressive distance (+2000m) and he's more involved in set-pieces (21 corners vs 0), explaining the lower completion.

Defensive Contribution:

• Peck is more combative: 66 tackles vs 72 in fewer games – scaled up he wins that duel.
• Tackle win rates are close (Jobe 61%, Peck 58%).
• In the air, Peck is superior: 56% success vs Jobe’s 46%.

I’m really not getting this athleticism or because his brother is good argument as to why peck shouldn’t be valued the same suggested on this thread, for example Wayne Rooney played for England while his younger brothers John and Graham have reached the dizzy heights of Macclesfield town and Guiseley.

The comparison between peck and Jobe to me shows similar statistical output. Jobe may have the bigger name and marginally more attacking flair when it comes to progressive carries, but Peck shows greater value in deeper midfield attributes progressive passing, defensive actions, and aerial duels. A smarter recruiter would probably find a more cost-effective upside in Peck, but only if we as a club don’t recognise or leverage the value of Jobe to increase the valuation of peck.

So if the board can convince Sydie to change his last name to Bellingham we might add another £15m to his value?

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

Peck had a good season for a young lad but I just don’t think he’s good enough to become a top level player. Can go headless chicken, can’t shoot, and gives the ball away a fair bit when he’s not passing it back or sideways. I think he’s at the height of his value now and I’d cash in IF it’s good money. I would not sell however if we get cheapskate offers. Also, Blaster is a far better player and (assuming) he recovers from his injury ok, Peck will be back on our bench next season.

 

[chesblade]

From what I've seen this season think Peck is for better than Bellingham

 

[South Sea Blade]

Peck had a good season for a young lad but I just don’t think he’s good enough to become a top level player. Can go headless chicken, can’t shoot, and gives the ball away a fair bit when he’s not passing it back or sideways. I think he’s at the height of his value now and I’d cash in IF it’s good money. I would not sell however if we get cheapskate offers. Also, Blaster is a far better player and (assuming) he recovers from his injury ok, Peck will be back on our bench next season.

He's only 20 for FFS.

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

He's only 20 for FFS.

Peck is not in the same league as the likes of Walker, Jags, Blaster at the same age. He probably will be back on the bench next season so is at the height of his value now IMO.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Peck had a good season for a young lad but I just don’t think he’s good enough to become a top level player. Can go headless chicken, can’t shoot, and gives the ball away a fair bit when he’s not passing it back or sideways. I think he’s at the height of his value now and I’d cash in IF it’s good money. I would not sell however if we get cheapskate offers. Also, Blaster is a far better player and (assuming) he recovers from his injury ok, Peck will be back on our bench next season.

What an absolutely ridiculous take! Are you McCabe in disguise?? Guy plays his first half season in the first team and he's reached his ceiling according to you!

I also love how the longer he's been out, the more Arblaster has turned into peak Steven Gerrard!!

Our fan base are absolutely Bladey Bonkers!!

I'll take a bet with anyone that Peck's career hits higher marks than Arblasters.

 

[Frank the tank]

He's developing well
Needs to kick on to the next level now can't help but feel that all our youngsters could really benefit from the tutorlage of a more progressive coach

 

[Sean Thornton]

He's developing well
Needs to kick on to the next level now can't help but feel that all our youngsters could really benefit from the tutorlage of a more progressive coach

And Thesaurus Karma awakes…….

 

[Frank the tank]

And Thesaurus Karma awakes…….

Calmer

 

[HeySethUTB]

So if the board can convince Sydie to change his last name to Bellingham we might add another £15m to his value?

Either that or just add the £15 million on because he’s our player, and we can do what we want. If we feel brave.

 

[Dodgy Dave]

Thought peck has been decent , wouldn’t say I watch him & think I’d be devastated to lose him, young so could get better, either big fee or keep him , win win really

 

[Dodgy Dave]

Lack of goals from midfield has been an issue this season , would like that to be sorted in the summer , don’t rate our strikers apart from Campbell but he can’t do 90 minutes which cost us at Wembley big time when him & Hamer went off

 

[Mouth of the South]

Thought peck has been decent , wouldn’t say I watch him & think I’d be devastated to lose him, young so could get better, either big fee or keep him , win win really

He's 19 and it was his first season playing senior football. Given Arblaster's absence was hardly missed, he kept Davies out of the side and created the goal v the Massive, I'd say he did exceptionally - as would West Ham by all accounts.

 

[true99blade]

Some of you really need to calm down with Arblaster.

 

[Cappy]

The important thing to remember with Sydie is he actually wants to move up if he can. Per my post back in April...

Just heard from a previously very reliable source that it's likely we lose Peck in the summer, even if we go up.

• Prem: He's considered behind Vini and Blaster, so isn't guaranteed many minutes, so he would rather be at a club training with better players and not playing much, than sat training with us and not playing much.
• Champ: he thinks he's ready to move up and continue his growth, even if we lost Vini and he was guaranteed minutes. Trajectory momentum is seen as key in young players, and he wants to continue that, jumping while his trajectory is high

Importantly, and the reason my contact told me....the owners think he is our best opportunity to cash in to improve the squad. Blaster was 'the one' from an asset value POV, but his injury has put the brakes on that. Sydie is seen as the one we can sell and get a net squad improvement

I don't blame him. He's been fantastic for us this season, and from nowhere really, and I wish him well. We will get great money for him and maybe one day we smile as he smashes it on the biggest stage, as we play on a slightly lesser stage

 

[KOPPO]

sell everyone then bring in AL develpoment players in there pace its freefall

 

[KOPPO]

sell everyone whos good like peck then bring in AL development players in on peanuts we need pace in the team or its freefall if you dont buy no one do one same old aleways selling 1st,,,,,get defenders in we need a no5 arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

AAAARR spend summatt

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

The important thing to remember with Sydie is he actually wants to move up if he can. Per my post back in April...

Yet there are still those who think he's reached his potential/is over rated/not as good as Arblaster.

I said pre-Christmas, Peck would be playing in the PL next season...