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Hello all, This is my first post on s24 su I have been reading the site for a while now but I have only just created an account. I am a season ticket holder at the lane.

I was just wondering what everyone's very on Paul coutts was?

Personally I think he could be what we are missing in the midfield I can only see him as a center mid and not a winger.
I think he can play a very good ball and think he just needs time to settle back in and get back into full fitness and think he could provide the through balls we are lacking. I think him and baxter could run midfield. Personally I would go for them 2 running midfield and drop basham back to CB to replace Collins because I think he is useless but any way that's another subject.
 



biggey blade said:
Hello all, This is my first post on s24 su I have been reading the site for a while now but I have only just created an account. I am a season ticket holder at the lane.

I was just wondering what everyone's very on Paul coutts was?

Personally I think he could be what we are missing in the midfield I can only see him as a center mid and not a winger.
I think he can play a very good ball and think he just needs time to settle back in and get back into full fitness and think he could provide the through balls we are lacking. I think him and baxter could run midfield. Personally I would go for them 2 running midfield and drop basham back to CB to replace Collins because I think he is useless but any way that's another subject.
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Welcome bigger blade, I've not seen coutts enough to comment, but I'm sure most of the members have, and they will be along very shortly to let you know if your right, or your wrong. Good luck.
 
Welcome to the forum, biggey blade.
Prefer Coutts on the wing, If I'm honest. I'd have him in the starting line-up next game v Port Vale.
 
agree coutts looks good since returning and if he could put a run together in team i would also drop basham back to replace collins utb
 
biggey blade said:
Hello all, This is my first post on s24 su I have been reading the site for a while now but I have only just created an account. I am a season ticket holder at the lane.

I was just wondering what everyone's very on Paul coutts was?

Personally I think he could be what we are missing in the midfield I can only see him as a center mid and not a winger.
I think he can play a very good ball and think he just needs time to settle back in and get back into full fitness and think he could provide the through balls we are lacking. I think him and baxter could run midfield. Personally I would go for them 2 running midfield and drop basham back to CB to replace Collins because I think he is useless but any way that's another subject.
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Adkins hasnt really been using Coutts to play wide in the two games he has been playing in. He is on the right flank of a narrow four man midfield allowing Freeman to overlap a lot and they seem to have a good understanding so for now I am happy with this.
 
Welcome Biggey. I've been impressed with Coutts since his return. He may be better in CM but I disagree with the idea of putting him and Baxter in CM- Both are slow, weak in the tackle, not particularty good in the air etc. Both are decent with the ball and poor without it. Basham (or someone new like Hammond) has to be in there for me. They could work as a 3 if we went to 433/ 451 but if not, only room for one of them in my CM. Perhaps Coutts can displace Baxtwer when JCR/Done are up and running.
 
I know we would loose a little bit of strength and defensive side of it while not on the ball, but I can see baxter and coutts putting the balls in we need for sharp and the likes of done and adams to run onto.
I should see it working with one of them playing like you said 1danewhitehouse and using them both and using one of them as sub if other is looking tired or if we have 2 matches start one of them for each match because there not the fittest of players at the min and look tired some times.
I have never been a massive fan of baxter as I think he can make some very silly passes and chuck possession away, I can see the ball he is trying to play and admit he sees balls that a lot of other players wouldn't see or attempt playing, but I just don't think he is consistent enough for me some matches even though i think he has started this season off a lot better, so it would be good for him to share the midfield role with coutts when he is having one of these days. And since coutts has come back from injury this season he had impressed me a lot his final ball is very good he is just lacking the speed but think this could improve when he is fully fit as I am not sure he is fully fit.
 
heard/read numerous people slag Basham off from day one - just as they have with Coutts.

There is a very good footballer in Coutts, but we obviously signed him whilst recovering from a serious injury from Derby and he struggled at times, probably with fitness, a new team and the phycology of whether he would break down again.

He now looks fitter, stronger and he runs much better than the laboured way he did last season and "should" only get better as he plays more games. We should all hope he doesn't go the same way as Wallace has (again). It is so sad for Wallace and United as we had a very good player - same applies to Coutts.

Many people think we need strong players to get out of this division - Coutts is one of those, so can only help us in our quest to get out of this bloody SHIT division.

UTB

PS: welcome to the forum btw
 
Basham isn't a centre back personally. We need a loan to replace Collins in my view. Then drop Basham in the holding role with Coutts and Baxter free to roam either alongside Basham or ahead. 4-1-4-1 or 4-2-3-1. Untill we get a half decent midfield enforcer in which case we'd have the players to play a 4-4-2.
 
barnyblade said:
Basham isn't a centre back personally. We need a loan to replace Collins in my view. Then drop Basham in the holding role with Coutts and Baxter free to roam either alongside Basham or ahead. 4-1-4-1 or 4-2-3-1. Untill we get a half decent midfield enforcer in which case we'd have the players to play a 4-4-2.
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Agree with you that Basham isn't a centre back - although some disagree.
He "can" play at centre back and is quite decent - what he seems top do well is break up the oppositions midfield - seems to have a knack of getting a foot in when required. Whether he could step up a division is debateable but would have my initial vote in CM. If Hammond ever comes in then he could actually replace Basham.

UTB
 
Most people have slagged off Coutts from the beginning because he often gave away possession and was slow.

However at the end of last season I had a discussion with a fellow Blade who's played the game at a decent semi pro level and we seemed to be the only people that thought Coutts deserved patience.

The reason was
Last season he was trying relatively difficult passes and always giving the ball away. He's not a youngster so why no play the easy ball? My theory is because his brain is at a higher level and he sees the difficult pass.

Also he sometimes lost control of the ball because he was already working out his pass and taking control for granted.

Basically against the wave of opinion we both thought that Coutts was a good standard Championship player that was out of form and unfit.

Before we signed him many Derby fans seemed disappointed to lose Coutts and said before his injury he was one of their most talented players. Surely someone with that pedigree deserves persevering with.

Wouldn't surprise me if he goes on to become a regular in our midfield.
 
To be fair the thing that got everyone angry about Coutts was

He was consistently out of form and unfit but Clough continued to play him.

Clough was basically using important league matches for Couts to regain his lack of preseason and get some match practice under his belt.

It looked like manager favourism as he was often one of our worse performers last season.
 
Coutts was absolutely woeful last season. He has many fans, resumably based on promise. Many were very impressed with him last week. He was okay, but much better than last season.

We shall see. Far to early to consider him the answer to anything.

UTB
 



Could potentially be a very important player this season. If he can continue playing well and keep fit then he'd start every game for me.

We have a few players like that though, J.Wallace, Baxter, Kennedy. They're either crocked or prone to hot and cold spells. Really hope Coutts can get some consistency in both respects.

Also ffs auto correct, thought you might have remembered Coutts by now, not bloody courts.
 
Basham is a strange one in that he divides opinion as to what his best position is. It seems half think he's better at CB and half think CM (I can feel a poll coming on). Personally, I'd be happy to have 4 of him to play both CB and CM positions in a 442 as I think he is comfortable in both roles at this level although he's not the most creative in midfield, 2 with his size and energy would give us a good platform to let the wingers and forwards play from.
 
Coutts was no where near match fit last season yet some of our fans seemed to target him from day 1 - yes he had a few dodgy performances but you could see from his touch and reading of the game he had something.

Then he was man of the match at Barnsley and in the latter part of the season, as his fitness came back, his perormance level jumped. Yet his card was marked, Clough favourite, signed from Derby, crock, decent footballer - he was always going to be scapegoat material.

This culminated in certain people still saying he played awful at Swindon in the play offs, despite him being on a different level to everyone else that night. Probably the same folk who criticised Kevin McDonald for being a lazy player who could only pass sideways.

He is potentially our best player and I am glad he seems to have come back from injury in much better form from the off this season. Again he was the best passer and link up player by a mile on Tuesday and you really noticed it when he was taken off shattered (something Clough didn't do). Glad Adkins seems to be managing him better.
 
alcoblade said:
Coutts was absolutely woeful last season. He has many fans, resumably based on promise. Many were very impressed with him last week. He was okay, but much better than last season.

We shall see. Far to early to consider him the answer to anything.

UTB
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Fulwood Blade said:
heard/read numerous people slag Basham off from day one - just as they have with Coutts.

There is a very good footballer in Coutts, but we obviously signed him whilst recovering from a serious injury from Derby and he struggled at times, probably with fitness, a new team and the phycology of whether he would break down again.

He now looks fitter, stronger and he runs much better than the laboured way he did last season and "should" only get better as he plays more games. We should all hope he doesn't go the same way as Wallace has (again). It is so sad for Wallace and United as we had a very good player - same applies to Coutts.

Many people think we need strong players to get out of this division - Coutts is one of those, so can only help us in our quest to get out of this bloody SHIT division.

UTB

PS: welcome to the forum btw
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What do you mean in relation to Wallace, is he out injured again?
 
GRUMPY BLADE said:
What do you mean in relation to Wallace, is he out injured again?
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allegedly so - a calf strain from memory. Whether that has gone onto other things I don't know.
It seems to have gone quiet again on the Wallace front in the past couple of weeks

UTB
 
95% of what I've seen of Coutts has caused my eyeballs significant distress. Hopefully he has come back better than he was, as he was complete and utter concentrated garbage.
 
There was a thread on this not so long ago
http://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/coutts.42158/

My opinion is that he has talent but really lacks mobility. It's all relative for a professional footballer but he just seems very restricted in the speed of his movement, even over short distances. Maybe it was never part of his game but I can't see him being a box-to-box midfielder which, for me, would probably be the natural place for his talents. I just don't think he'd be able to keep up with play. But then I think about the fact that Baxter plays in there and wonder if he might have a place.

As has been mentioned he ran the game at Barnsley, and had a significant part to play in some of our goals at Swindon in the play-offs. Will he ever be able to sustain this level of performance? I really doubt it. But I really hope so.

Me and WHF Jr Sr were very pleased to see him back in the team last week. He's started the last two games - including an away game at the top of the League - so Adkins sees something in him - and he's best placed to judge of anyone.

I just think we might be watching the still pretty good shadow of what used to be a very good player.

(He also has an incredibly annoying habit of misplacing five yard passes :mad:.)
 
He stood out at Burtotake it you didn't see him at Burton then WHF. Looks Coutts ran the show in midfield until he was taken off. Maybe you are one of these that has got his number marked no matter what he does.
To me he is looking like he could be the missing link we have needed since K Mc went to Wolves. Give the guy a chance instead of slating him every week. You tell me what we have in midfield at the moment that's better than him, if we have a lot better then I will shut my face, but I ain't seen shit in Basham or Baxter yet this season!!! That simple........

Onwards and Upwards
 
Man auto correct crap, it should say I take it you didn't see him play at Burton.
In fact I will write it again. I think he is looking very good since his return and ran the midfield at Burton until he came off. Could be the missing link we have needed since K Mc went to Wolves. His passing is also a lot better as proved with the assists and crosses in the 2 games he's featured in.
 
William Henry Foulkes said:
My opinion is that he has talent but really lacks mobility. It's all relative for a professional footballer but he just seems very restricted in the speed of his movement, even over short distances. Maybe it was never part of his game but I can't see him being a box-to-box midfielder which, for me, would probably be the natural place for his talents. I just don't think he'd be able to keep up with play.
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People have said that it sometimes looks such hard work for him to move. In other situations he's been capable of getting crosses in despite full backs trying to stop him. When he wants the ball he wants it to feet, not running onto balls, which confused teammates twice within a minute at Burton:

 
Bergen Blade said:
People have said that it sometimes looks such hard work for him to move. In other situations he's been capable of getting crosses in despite full backs trying to stop him. When he wants the ball he wants it to feet, not running onto balls, which confused teammates twice within a minute at Burton:

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I agree with the observation he wants it to feet Bergen but Usain Bolt would have struggled to run onto those balls :-)
 
Gee said:
He stood out at Burtotake it you didn't see him at Burton then WHF. Looks Coutts ran the show in midfield until he was taken off. Maybe you are one of these that has got his number marked no matter what he does.
To me he is looking like he could be the missing link we have needed since K Mc went to Wolves. Give the guy a chance instead of slating him every week. You tell me what we have in midfield at the moment that's better than him, if we have a lot better then I will shut my face, but I ain't seen shit in Basham or Baxter yet this season!!! That simple........

Onwards and Upwards
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Did you even read what WHF said?

It's called balance, in case you didn't get it.

UTB
 
Jehovah said:
95% of what I've seen of Coutts has caused my eyeballs significant distress. Hopefully he has come back better than he was, as he was complete and utter concentrated garbage.
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No. He was complete and utter half-fit. He's a very good footballer.

I realise that's not considered an asset on the land where Nick Montgomery reigned supreme...
 



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