Outfought and Outworked

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The worst thing about yesterday was that we couldn't even play simple 5 yard passes.

Norwood in particular gave the ball away multiple times under absolutely no pressure at all.

Break or not, its inexcusable for professional footballers to not be able to consistently pass the ball 5 or 10 yards.

Defensively since the restart we've looked more like pre lockdown Norwich than pre lock down Sheffield United. Egan keeps getting undone by a hopeful punt down the field when before he was looking like an accomplished Premier league CB.
 



I can take losing. Really I can.

I can’t take being outfought and outworked, and we were today. I thought we were more prepared than most for the restart with one of the best attitudes in the league, well I might’ve been wrong.

Spineless and pathetic today, and not great against Villa. Things need to change and they need to change quick.


ok so the day after the night before! criticise the performance by all means but stop being a drama queen saying things like “spineless and pathetic”! We were very poor but it happens and this team dont deserve that type of comment after one game! The circumstances in which we have come back into is obviously not going to help us that’s plain to see. We need to get the season over get as many points as possible and look to next season.
We have been simply phenomenal this season and what’s happening at the moment is a symptom of the circumstances. If the season had carried on I don’t for one minute think we would have gone to Newcastle and played like that. Think people need to take a step back and stop being a fanny about it all!
 
The worst thing about yesterday was that we couldn't even play simple 5 yard passes.

Norwood in particular gave the ball away multiple times under absolutely no pressure at all.

Break or not, its inexcusable for professional footballers to not be able to consistently pass the ball 5 or 10 yards.

Defensively since the restart we've looked more like pre lockdown Norwich than pre lock down Sheffield United. Egan keeps getting undone by a hopeful punt down the field when before he was looking like an accomplished Premier league CB.
This is what I can't fathom. We're creating absolutely nothing, yet a long punt regularly leaves us isolated 1 v 1 as we've pushed too many up.
 
ok so the day after the night before! criticise the performance by all means but stop being a drama queen saying things like “spineless and pathetic”! We were very poor but it happens and this team dont deserve that type of comment after one game! The circumstances in which we have come back into is obviously not going to help us that’s plain to see. We need to get the season over get as many points as possible and look to next season.
We have been simply phenomenal this season and what’s happening at the moment is a symptom of the circumstances. If the season had carried on I don’t for one minute think we would have gone to Newcastle and played like that. Think people need to take a step back and stop being a fanny about it all!
They do, that was pathetic.
As for the circumstances, don't start making excuses up. Everyones in the same boat here, not just us. And we've been by far the worst team I've seen, Norwich got pumped but at least they threatened. We don't even look fit, we've looked like a championship side who's been asked to make up the numbers.

Don't start bringing the circumstances into it when we all thought we'd be one of the best prepared because 'thats the type of team we are' and we were one of the teams who wanted to finish the season most keenly.
 
Barcodes had front men who could out run us and did. Bruce let us fanny in midfield, lose the ball which we did and then had any of three or four on their way.
Defence was turned and trying to chase the ball.
They looked poor at the back, but we never made GK work. At all.
Bruce did a job on us again.
 
They do, that was pathetic.
As for the circumstances, don't start making excuses up. Everyones in the same boat here, not just us. And we've been by far the worst team I've seen, Norwich got pumped but at least they threatened. We don't even look fit, we've looked like a championship side who's been asked to make up the numbers.

Don't start bringing the circumstances into it when we all thought we'd be one of the best prepared because 'thats the type of team we are' and we were one of the teams who wanted to finish the season most keenly.

Chill out fella it was a bad performance simple as that! You are going way over the top nobody is defending the performance but put things into a bit of prospective! So what if we have been the poorest team since the return I bet you have at least 10 teams who would happily swap places with us.
Stop being a drama queen and put trust in the best manager we have ever had!
 
Chill out fella it was a bad performance simple as that! You are going way over the top nobody is defending the performance but put things into a bit of prospective! So what if we have been the poorest team since the return I bet you have at least 10 teams who would happily swap places with us.
Stop being a drama queen and put trust in the best manager we have ever had!
Perspective*
I have full trust in Wilder, although his style of play, selection and subs at the minute are absolutely baffling. It's not his fault 9/11 of the players have failed to turn up in either game so far.
 
They may be baffling to you but that’s why your aren’t a very successful football manager. This team do not deserve the words like spineless and pathetic that would suggest that’s what they are. Reading comments from the manager this morning would also suggest he isn’t happy with supporters coming out with such harsh words to describe a group of players who have given us the pride back in our club!
 
The only time under Wilder when we have been like this for more than one game was the last half dozen games of our first season back in the Championship when we seemed to tire.
L1 before the Oxford win; stuffed by Southend, beaten by L2 Crewe in league cup.
 
Just because other teams have managed to adjust is irrelevant! Nearly every game has been at a slower pace and doesn’t have the normal intensity! We are a team who thrive off the intensity and if it isn’t there it’s going to effect us. Don’t forget all these other teams have players with bags of PL experience, it’s effected us no two ways about that.
 
For me the last two games are very fine margins between a good and bad performance and that applies to most of our games, Villa home and Burnley probably the exceptions. We din't seem to be getting the rub of the green much, such as the bounce over Bash's head (I think it was Basham) for their first goal and obviously "that goal" v Villa.

I do also think that teams that sit deep, such as Villa and in particular Newcastle has proven to be a problem for us. Take yesterdays key moments. The sending off was a hopeful punt down the middle and it became a one-on-one because we were all pushed up truing to score past Newcastle's parked bus. The first goal was also a counter attack and then at one nil down we still created two presentable chances but both were missed. Certain players are under performing, Norwood especially. Berge showed signs of improvement in the first half yesterday and that was encouraging, without been spectacular. I also think that when you look at the quality of both Villa and Newcastle individually in particular. we should expect that they are going to give us more than a good game. We don't have a Grealish, a Jon-Joe Shelvey or a Saint-Maxine, and if we did I think we'd be in the top 5. What we do have is an amazing manager and team ethic and we play as a unit. We haven't stopped fighting or out running teams in my view, we're still having more possession also its just we haven't got the player to unlock teams that sit so deep, and yes our passes into the box haven't been good enough or our play in and around the box hasn't been able to open up teams but we did create some chances yesterday. - more so than the Villa game.

I honestly don't feel there's a need to be over critical of the two first performances, we've certainly lost match fitness but obviously we'e all in the same boat in not playing for 100 days. Many of our wins are very tight affairs that could have gone the other way also. Take the win against Norwich - our last win. We weren't great then, but we were able to get our noses in front and needed an amazing save from Henderson to keep us winning. I don't think there's much difference in the games v Villa, and Newcastle than there is Norwich. I hope against Man U we make it difficult foe them and bring Mousset into the side. The McBurnie and Sharp partnership doesn't stretch teams and fans seem to find it very easy to criticise McBurnie, but often his flick-ons are not followed up by Billy, who is behind or square with McBurnie, whereas I wonder if Mousset could run onto them more and get beyond them. Also when McBurnie or Sharp gets the ball, they've still got 4/5 defenders to beat and and neither will create something from nothing. They rely on service and when teams sit so deep its hard to get the space to put a cross in from a good position. Saying that, v Man U we may find on the counter we can be more of a threat, but that will suit Mousset's pace much more, like the home game.

All in all, disappointing, but not time for panicking either. We're nowhere near relegation trouble and can still finish the season well, hopefully the Newcastle game will be a wake-up call.
 
For me the last two games are very fine margins between a good and bad performance and that applies to most of our games, Villa home and Burnley probably the exceptions. We din't seem to be getting the rub of the green much, such as the bounce over Bash's head (I think it was Basham) for their first goal and obviously "that goal" v Villa.

I do also think that teams that sit deep, such as Villa and in particular Newcastle has proven to be a problem for us. Take yesterdays key moments. The sending off was a hopeful punt down the middle and it became a one-on-one because we were all pushed up truing to score past Newcastle's parked bus. The first goal was also a counter attack and then at one nil down we still created two presentable chances but both were missed. Certain players are under performing, Norwood especially. Berge showed signs of improvement in the first half yesterday and that was encouraging, without been spectacular. I also think that when you look at the quality of both Villa and Newcastle individually in particular. we should expect that they are going to give us more than a good game. We don't have a Grealish, a Jon-Joe Shelvey or a Saint-Maxine, and if we did I think we'd be in the top 5. What we do have is an amazing manager and team ethic and we play as a unit. We haven't stopped fighting or out running teams in my view, we're still having more possession also its just we haven't got the player to unlock teams that sit so deep, and yes our passes into the box haven't been good enough or our play in and around the box hasn't been able to open up teams but we did create some chances yesterday. - more so than the Villa game.

I honestly don't feel there's a need to be over critical of the two first performances, we've certainly lost match fitness but obviously we'e all in the same boat in not playing for 100 days. Many of our wins are very tight affairs that could have gone the other way also. Take the win against Norwich - our last win. We weren't great then, but we were able to get our noses in front and needed an amazing save from Henderson to keep us winning. I don't think there's much difference in the games v Villa, and Newcastle than there is Norwich. I hope against Man U we make it difficult foe them and bring Mousset into the side. The McBurnie and Sharp partnership doesn't stretch teams and fans seem to find it very easy to criticise McBurnie, but often his flick-ons are not followed up by Billy, who is behind or square with McBurnie, whereas I wonder if Mousset could run onto them more and get beyond them. Also when McBurnie or Sharp gets the ball, they've still got 4/5 defenders to beat and and neither will create something from nothing. They rely on service and when teams sit so deep its hard to get the space to put a cross in from a good position. Saying that, v Man U we may find on the counter we can be more of a threat, but that will suit Mousset's pace much more, like the home game.

All in all, disappointing, but not time for panicking either. We're nowhere near relegation trouble and can still finish the season well, hopefully the Newcastle game will be a wake-up call.
Come on Booker. We don't look dangerous at all, and now we've lost that defensive solidity we base our whole game on.
It's been piss poor.

If we're being honest we weren't dangerous from open play pre-lockdown either.
 
Come on Booker. We don't look dangerous at all, and now we've lost that defensive solidity we base our whole game on.
It's been piss poor.

If we're being honest we weren't dangerous from open play pre-lockdown either.

I never said we looked dangerous though mate, but you've summed it up for me with your last sentence, and that's my point. Most of the games we win, which we all praise as great performances are won by 1 - 0 games where we'v taken the 2/3 chances we create and then make it hard for the opposition and pressed them well and kept possession from them at times and when not we've dug in. We still had more possession than Villa and Newcastle and in this league I don't see us often taking teams apart. We've arguably been at our best against the better teams and less so v Villa away, Newcastle both games, Watford both games and they all sit in really deep. V Burnley at home we were able to score early and blew them away because they had to come at us.

We lack intensity, and as Keith Edwards says, there's too many side passes, or safe passes but that's when teams sit in deep and we simply struggle to break teams down, I don't see that as a fault, we just don't have the players like the better teams to, to score a goal out of nothing like Man U did against us with their first goal. If I was Wilder, I'd be giving them a lot of stick to get back to their own standards that they've set, but as a fan I want to be positive because I don't think we're far off from a good performance. Too many individual errors yesterday cost us and we've not done many of them have we. I'm sure we can give the players a break, given how amazing they've done for us for the last 3 years.

I'm sure we'll see a reaction v Man U, although to get anything from the game with the players missing will be tough.
 
We’ve let a crock of shit like Newcastle do the double over us, that’s embarrassing on its own.

Steady...we deserved to get beaten on both occasions - let’s not get too big for our boots and start calling other teams shit.
 



Steady...we deserved to get beaten on both occasions - let’s not get too big for our boots and start calling other teams shit.

In the first half especially we looked a more complete & accomplished team than Newcastle with the ball, but we also looked pretty one paced, whereas when the ball was turned over they had explosive players to run & stretch us. Pace always hurts teams, & we need to get a lot more of it in the team because without it we are vulnerable.
 
I never said we looked dangerous though mate, but you've summed it up for me with your last sentence, and that's my point. Most of the games we win, which we all praise as great performances are won by 1 - 0 games where we'v taken the 2/3 chances we create and then make it hard for the opposition and pressed them well and kept possession from them at times and when not we've dug in. We still had more possession than Villa and Newcastle and in this league I don't see us often taking teams apart. We've arguably been at our best against the better teams and less so v Villa away, Newcastle both games, Watford both games and they all sit in really deep. V Burnley at home we were able to score early and blew them away because they had to come at us.

We lack intensity, and as Keith Edwards says, there's too many side passes, or safe passes but that's when teams sit in deep and we simply struggle to break teams down, I don't see that as a fault, we just don't have the players like the better teams to, to score a goal out of nothing like Man U did against us with their first goal. If I was Wilder, I'd be giving them a lot of stick to get back to their own standards that they've set, but as a fan I want to be positive because I don't think we're far off from a good performance. Too many individual errors yesterday cost us and we've not done many of them have we. I'm sure we can give the players a break, given how amazing they've done for us for the last 3 years.

I'm sure we'll see a reaction v Man U, although to get anything from the game with the players missing will be tough.

Whilst I agree in terms of quality, the main issue for me is the lack of pace. Players with pace, counter-attacking at pace, getting the ball forward quickly, moving the ball quickly. We take extra touches which slows the game down. Players frequently turn back or infield when they could try and take on the defender. That's often a lack of pace but also often, I feel, bravery. Baldock is the only player who does this regularly. Sometimes Fleck and Bash as well. Most of the strikers are too slow to do this.

When we're not playing well and largely against teams who sit back we're content to slowly build up an overlap. By the time a cross comes in 15 people are in the opposition box. It becomes a matter of luck or error to get a good chance on goal.
 
Steady...we deserved to get beaten on both occasions - let’s not get too big for our boots and start calling other teams shit.
I say it as I see it mate, every time I’ve seen Newcastle they’ve been crap, and both times against us they’ve been crap too, fortunately for them we were awful yesterday to aid their cause.
 
I say it as I see it mate, every time I’ve seen Newcastle they’ve been crap, and both times against us they’ve been crap too, fortunately for them we were awful yesterday to aid their cause.

They can’t be that shit or else they wouldn’t be 5-0 up on aggregate over 2 games. Wonder what you’re seeing?
 
A side that’s done the double over us and rightly so. Exposed our weaknesses and capitalised on it. Therefore you can’t call them shit.
Just my opinion every time I’ve seen them so I can call them what I want, we couldn’t play a simple pass, that’s nothing to do with how good or crap they are.
 
Interestingly 3 out if the 4 teams that played the initial games in hand lost their second game.

Man City have the luxury of fielding a new team.

Maybe the 2 games in quick succession was more difficult than we thought.
 
Be reight , VAR`s fucking me off more then ought , that penalty given to Man city is a joke , the cunts were fast asleep for us !
 

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