Our unluckiest season?

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Nope. Should have assembled a proper squad rather than spend whatever we did on Brewster.

With that said I think we should keep as many as we have for next season as have good chance of going back up.

Egan's injury is terrible but we were down before that.

Sick of us bemoaning bad luck, takes us back to Tevez mentality again.
 
FMBlade1 said:
Nope. Should have assembled a proper squad rather than spend whatever we did on Brewster.

With that said I think we should keep as many as we have for next season as have good chance of going back up.

Egan's injury is terrible but we were down before that.

Sick of us bemoaning bad luck, takes us back to Tevez mentality again.
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Exactly
Constant stream of hard luck stories

Truth is we haven't seen a player of really really top quality that could change a game in 50 years, since Currie.

Unless the club changes its stupid greasy chip butties and woodbine mentality they'll never achieve fuck all.
 
Silent Blade said:
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Tobe honest I am sure many other teams could throw out not too dissimilar stats. Look at Liverpool, Newcastle, Wolves, Brighton, Man City off the top of my head. Some of these lost key men a lot longer than we have. We had the bulk of our so called strongest team available outside O' Connell for most of the first half of the season and were awful.

We did not win a single game.

We have won more recently with a thinner squad weirdly. Any injuries now are kind of academic as the damage has been done.

Fleck may not have been fully fit but Wilder chose to play him for most games as he had noone else (poor recruitment).

Ramsdale, Baldock, Stevens, Basham, Ampadu, Berge, Lundstram, Sharp, McGoldrick, McBurnie, Brewster, Burke etc...non had long term injuries. They missed the odd game/s but not long stretches.

The issue has been the complete lack of performances/ from of many of the above rather than the odd game or injury they missed in my opinion.

It's like the lack of fans excuse. It's a bit pathetic. We are miles off being close to safe and whilst fans and injuries have had an impact it's the same for many other teams.
 
JJBlade said:
Exactly
Constant stream of hard luck stories

Truth is we haven't seen a player of really really top quality that could change a game in 50 years, since Currie.

Unless the club changes its stupid greasy chip butties and woodbine mentality they'll never achieve fuck all.
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Brooks has that sort of quality to change a game.. but got sold by us which sort of proves your point...
 
Rudders said:
Brooks has that sort of quality to change a game.. but got sold by us which sort of proves your point...
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Yes,
When I said we haven't seen quality, I meant for more than three minutes.

Law of averages suggests that like buses, there'll be one or two come along if you wait 50 years or so.

Frightening that the Premier League careers we've launched after 5 minutes with us, they have all left us for a combined total of less than Rhian Brewster
 
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Deadbat said:
Ramsdale, Baldock, Stevens, Basham, Ampadu, Berge, Lundstram, Sharp, McGoldrick, McBurnie, Brewster, Burke etc...non had long term injuries. They missed the odd game/s but not long stretches.
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Baldock, Stevens, Berge and McBurnie have all been out for more than a month!
 
JJBlade said:
Exactly
Constant stream of hard luck stories

Truth is we haven't seen a player of really really top quality that could change a game in 50 years, since Currie.

Unless the club changes its stupid greasy chip butties and woodbine mentality they'll never achieve fuck all.
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Nothing wrong with a buttie.
 
Deadbat said:
Tobe honest I am sure many other teams could throw out not too dissimilar stats. Look at Liverpool, Newcastle, Wolves, Brighton, Man City off the top of my head. Some of these lost key men a lot longer than we have. We had the bulk of our so called strongest team available outside O' Connell for most of the first half of the season and were awful.

We did not win a single game.

We have won more recently with a thinner squad weirdly. Any injuries now are kind of academic as the damage has been done.

Fleck may not have been fully fit but Wilder chose to play him for most games as he had noone else (poor recruitment).

Ramsdale, Baldock, Stevens, Basham, Ampadu, Berge, Lundstram, Sharp, McGoldrick, McBurnie, Brewster, Burke etc...non had long term injuries. They missed the odd game/s but not long stretches.

The issue has been the complete lack of performances/ from of many of the above rather than the odd game or injury they missed in my opinion.

It's like the lack of fans excuse. It's a bit pathetic. We are miles off being close to safe and whilst fans and injuries have had an impact it's the same for many other teams.
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We have been incredibly unlucky with injuries this season. A fully fit team with the fans back next season could make a big difference.
 
I would not say our most unlucky but the amount of injuries we have had is bizarre. Made even more odd because other clubs have had bad injury problems too.

I think it's to do with what Wilder was saying about behind closed door friendlies, that used to happen pre covid to keep players sharp and get them match fit.
 



JJBlade said:
Exactly
Constant stream of hard luck stories

Truth is we haven't seen a player of really really top quality that could change a game in 50 years, since Currie.

Unless the club changes its stupid greasy chip butties and woodbine mentality they'll never achieve fuck all.
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I don't agree JJ. I get what you're saying in the wider sense but the "greasy chip butty and woodbines mentality" is what makes us what we are, it's part of our identity, it's part of our anthem and therefore part of our tradition.

To chuck all that aside just to try to win a trophy or two where do you stop along a direct path that suggests merging with the Pigs to form a new powerhouse city club in a shiny new soulless hovel out at Orgreave?

Yes, that's a big stretch and a massive overreaction and I know you weren't going there, but if you lose the traditions, the heart and soul of a club just to chase the money to chase the success and the next thing you know the clear and obvious commercial decisions will eventually start to make sense, regardless. The next Newcastle? The next Leeds? Nah bollocks to that, hand me a chip butty and let me sing my song. It's not about achievement, it's about dreams of achievement.

Final point, in the grand scheme of things, even though I loved the guy and was in the ground for the WHU game back in '73, we still achieved fuck all even with Currie. We haven't "achieved" anything in almost 100 years if by achievement we're talking about Top flight League titles and Cup wins.

Real "achievement" is retained for the super rich in this game. The rest of us are in the final round of Takeshi's Castle. We know we're on a hiding to nothing but we still hope right until the death.

Now, pass the salt and vinegar . "You Fill Up My...............................
 
Silent Blade said:
Baldock, Stevens, Berge and McBurnie have all been out for more than a month!
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Berge and Baldock have been stricken after we were already rooted to the bottom and not won a game.

McBurnie and Stevens were completely ineffectual too form wise even though they had a few injuries earlier in the season. The longest spells out like with the other two had been post Xmas when we have started doing better!

In fact you could make a pretty good argument we have been better without those 4 looking at the season results...have we actually won a game any of those have started?

People blaming injuries, refs, crowds are really a bit desperate. They may have contributed somewhat but all teams gave had injuries and if our players need crowds to perform that says a lot about their mentality. Others have adapted. It's been 12 months nearly now.

We have not been good enough sadly no matter what injury stats/luck excuses are thrown out.
 
Deadbat said:
Berge and Baldock have been stricken after we were already rooted to the bottom and not won a game.

McBurnie and Stevens were completely ineffectual too form wise even though they had a few injuries earlier in the season. The longest spells out like with the other two had been post Xmas when we have started doing better!

In fact you could make a pretty good argument we have been better without those 4 looking at the season results...have we actually won a game any of those have started?

People blaming injuries, refs, crowds are really a bit desperate. They may have contributed somewhat but all teams gave had injuries and if our players need crowds to perform that says a lot about their mentality. Others have adapted. It's been 12 months nearly now.

We have not been good enough sadly no matter what injury stats/luck excuses are thrown out.
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Can you think of a season when we have had more injuries?

Serious question.
 
FMBlade1 said:
Nope. Should have assembled a proper squad rather than spend whatever we did on Brewster.

With that said I think we should keep as many as we have for next season as have good chance of going back up.

Egan's injury is terrible but we were down before that.

Sick of us bemoaning bad luck, takes us back to Tevez mentality again.
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While I hate the 'bad luck' excuse, I don't think we could have ever signed enough decent players to cover for the injuries to key players this season.

Hindsight says that we'd have been better off throwing another £30m at wages and/or loan fees at CB, CM and ST and staying up, but that was never going to be our business model.

I'm not excusing how shit we've been though. If previously decent footballers would have continued to be decent then we'd be in a better position than we are now.
 
Silent Blade said:
Can you think of a season when we have had more injuries?

Serious question.
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Maybe not but that's why you have a squad and we have had more resources than at any point in our history in terms of spending power.

Still maintain only O' Connell and Berge been out for a significant length. The others been bits here and there. All had plenty of games and chance to contribute. I agree we have been disrupted but then having no decent cover has come back to hurt us.

You could say we have never had a better season with injuries the last year and the one before. Not sure we had any at all of note for a few years? So it is swings and roundabouts.

Think lots of other teams could say the same this year. The amount of games played at the end of last season crammed in and the quicker turnaround had seen a lot more injuries for all teams. I'm not blaming the medical staff/fitness at all but not sure it's all luck when you see so many injuries around the country.

Klopp has turned into an arse but may have had a point. There does seem to be more muscle injuries. Not sure many of ours or other teams (Van Dijk maybe not) have been down to tackles or impact?

Liverpool have lost 4 centre backs. Wolves lost their best player. Brighton the same. City lost Aguero/De Bruyne. Newcastle have at times had even more out than us.
 
Deadbat said:
Maybe not but that's why you have a squad and we have had more resources than at any point in our history in terms of spending power.

Still maintain only O' Connell and Berge been out for a significant length. The others been bits here and there. All had plenty of games and chance to contribute. I agree we have been disrupted but then having no decent cover has come back to hurt us.

You could say we have never had a better season with injuries the last year and the one before. Not sure we had any at all of note for a few years? So it is swings and roundabouts.

Think lots of other teams could say the same this year. The amount of games played at the end of last season crammed in and the quicker turnaround had seen a lot more injuries for all teams. I'm not blaming the medical staff/fitness at all but not sure it's all luck when you see so many injuries around the country.

Klopp has turned into an arse but may have had a point. There does seem to be more muscle injuries. Not sure many of ours or other teams (Van Dijk maybe not) have been down to tackles or impact?

Liverpool have lost 4 centre backs. Wolves lost their best player. Brighton the same. City lost Aguero/De Bruyne. Newcastle have at times had even more out than us.
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Our wages arent as high as most of the clubs you have mentioned and the players for these clubs do not have a relegation clause in their contracts which has made it hard for us to attract better players. It wouldnt surprise me if the back up players from the clubs you have mentioned are on better wages than our 11 highest earners.
 
Silent Blade said:
So called Blades/armchair managers/ know it alls not taking notice of the below?

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You started that bit pretty much with your mind made up, to be honest.

The injuries are a significant factor but with every combination we've had, Wilder has decided to stick with the consistently beatable formation, playing the consistently defeatable Wilderball tactics. You think that would make much difference even if we have JOC and Berge in? You're the 'expert', eh? By how much, is my question?

We have lost a hell of a goalkeeper, one who gave us as many crucial points last season than sicknote and McPub. We were low scoring last season, be freakishly low conceding, because of the lightning-quick reflexes and athleticism of Henderson. This season we've got what looks like a novice in goal, for whom we mutedly cheer when he falls down over and pushes a shot clear of goal. In front of him we have two-and-a-half centrebacks, and yet whilst shipping goals aplenty we still expect them to rampage up the wing into the same shut-out tactics and recover when our dismally crap midfield surrender possession. And up front we have an array of non-scoring duds, relying now on ageing players we had playing in the same position when we challenged for promotion. Having signed fifty odd million quid of strikers who this season have yet to hit the back of the net with the proficiency their elderly statesmen have.

This isn't about luck and injuries. It's about mistakes in acquisition, mistakes in playing the same tired old system with the same tired old (and in some cases incapable) players. Evidence in kind in our last game.

pommpey
 
Silent Blade said:
Our wages arent as high as most of the clubs you have mentioned and the players for these clubs do not have a relegation clause in their contracts which has made it hard for us to attract better players. It wouldnt surprise me if the back up players from the clubs you have mentioned are on better wages than our 11 highest earners.
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Another excuse - 'wages'.

Are you suggesting that the higher we pay them, the better they'll play? Or the fact that we can't afford higher earning players?

pommpey
 
pommpey said:
You started that bit pretty much with your mind made up, to be honest.

The injuries are a significant factor but with every combination we've had, Wilder has decided to stick with the consistently beatable formation, playing the consistently defeatable Wilderball tactics. You think that would make much difference even if we have JOC and Berge in? You're the 'expert', eh? By how much, is my question?

We have lost a hell of a goalkeeper, one who gave us as many crucial points last season than sicknote and McPub. We were low scoring last season, be freakishly low conceding, because of the lightning-quick reflexes and athleticism of Henderson. This season we've got what looks like a novice in goal, for whom we mutedly cheer when he falls down over and pushes a shot clear of goal. In front of him we have two-and-a-half centrebacks, and yet whilst shipping goals aplenty we still expect them to rampage up the wing into the same shut-out tactics and recover when our dismally crap midfield surrender possession. And up front we have an array of non-scoring duds, relying now on ageing players we had playing in the same position when we challenged for promotion. Having signed fifty odd million quid of strikers who this season have yet to hit the back of the net with the proficiency their elderly statesmen have.

This isn't about luck and injuries. It's about mistakes in acquisition, mistakes in playing the same tired old system with the same tired old (and in some cases incapable) players. Evidence in kind in our last game.

pommpey
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I stopped reading when it came to McPub. I knew that you would "deface" my OP!
 
pommpey said:
Another excuse - 'wages'.

Are you suggesting that the higher we pay them, the better they'll play? Or the fact that we can't afford higher earning players?

pommpey
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Not worth bothering to have a discussion with you. Sheffield United is "your club" but you dont really "support" the management and the players considering the difficulties they have had this season.
 
Nonsense OP.

We've had a great run with injuries for a few years now.

Injuries are part of the game and obviously JOC was a huge blow but apart from Fleck early doors I doubt many others have made a blind bit of difference.

The Egan situation is irrelevant at this stage.

It's alright some having a dig at posters for being critical but these posts are as bad.

It makes me smile that the same people going on about our fans being entitled are the same ones suggesting we'll piss next season.

Being a loyal fan isn't about making excuses and ignoring the facts of a disappointing season.

Nearly every PL team has had injuries to key players this season.
 
Silent Blade said:
Can you think of a season when we have had more injuries?

Serious question.
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I know you wasn't asking me in particular but I'll contribute nonetheless.

The 2009/10 season.

Literally every match or every other match throughout that season we picked up a new injury.

Wasn't it something outrageous like 40 odd different players that started/played for us that season?
 



Danny_Blade said:
I know you wasn't asking me in particular but I'll contribute nonetheless.

The 2009/10 season.

Literally every match or every other match throughout that season we picked up a new injury.

Wasn't it something outrageous like 40 odd different players that started/played for us that season?
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Alright, try listing them then (injuries only).

Am I right a lot of our players left and we signed a lot (many on loan) during that season? Dont think it was really the injuries that made us use a lot of players?
 
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