Our bench on Saturday.

[1danewhitehouse]

Since summer 2012 We paid fees for:

Brayford 1.7m, Done 700k, Baxter, McNulty, Scougall, Westlake, Murphy, Taylor, Higdon, J.Wallace, Adams, Cuvelier, Sharp 500k, Coutts,

All in League 1 with no success. Biggest spenders in the division surely.

Scouts and managers win promotion. (not Boards).

But probably not biggest net spenders as in that time we've sold

Lowton, Quinn, Blackman, McDonald, Taylor, Alcock, Maguire, Murphy etc for far more. Spending £100k here and there on mediocre players whilst selling your best players every year is certainly not a guarantee of success. In terms of transfer fees net spend, we have a significant surplus.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Of more interest will be tonight's bench assuming Sharp does return.

Who will be the striker to miss out ?

Done ?
Sammon ?
DCL ?
Adams ?

Could be interesting !

UTB

 

[PeteBlade]

Of more interest will be tonight's bench assuming Sharp does return.

Who will be the striker to miss out ?

Done ?
Sammon ?
DCL ?
Adams ?

Could be interesting !

UTB

I object to Connor Sammon being referred to as a striker...

 

[Woodwardfan]

But probably not biggest net spenders as in that time we've sold

Lowton, Quinn, Blackman, McDonald, Taylor, Alcock, Maguire, Murphy etc for far more. Spending £100k here and there on mediocre players whilst selling your best players every year is certainly not a guarantee of success. In terms of transfer fees net spend, we have a significant surplus.

I'm not at all sure there is a surplus.- so many undisclosed fees.

Lowton and Quinn left before 2013 which was the date I started at above, mainly because our new owners have been involved since Sep 2012, Clough Oct 2012 etc.

Don't overlook the fact that all L1 clubs sell players too. In fact I think you are way wrong Dane.

 

[BushBlade]

I'm not at all sure there is a surplus.- so many undisclosed fees.

Lowton and Quinn left before 2013 which was the date I started at above, mainly because our new owners have been involved since Sep 2012, Clough Oct 2012 etc.

Don't overlook the fact that all L1 clubs sell players too. In fact I think you are way wrong Dane.

Going on guessed figures we've had around £3.5-4m in transfer fees since they came in.

If the prince has also put money in, then it seems fairly clear that we've wasted a lot.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Going on guessed figures we've had around £3.5-4m in transfer fees since they came in.

If the prince has also put money in, then it seems fairly clear that we've wasted a lot.

Clough wasted a lot. Adkins has only paid one fee out -Sharp.

Wages come into any equation of course but our wage bill has expanded no end from Weir's squad costs. Adkins also has the task of reducing Clough' s expensive, bloated squad.
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Why am I pursuing this tack? To show we are also a buying club as well as a selling club since Sep 2012. That's important IMO. Too easy for the moaners to trot out rubbish.

 

[BushBlade]

Clough wasted a lot. Adkins has only paid one fee out -Sharp.

Wages come into any equation of course but our wage bill has expanded no end from Weir's squad costs. Adkins also has the task of reducing Clough' s expensive, bloated squad.
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Why am I pursuing this tack? To show we are also a buying club as well as a selling club since Sep 2012. That's important IMO. Too easy for the moaners to trot out rubbish.

There are always a few who will chat shit, that's life. (I think the Dalai Lama said that).

As with any business, investment is just a part of it. I won't criticise the board for spending money and sometimes it's right that they don't spend but our problems are far more complex than just the cash.

I don't think they can be distilled down to one or two big issues, it's a combination of small and large failures over a long period of time that has got us where we are.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Clough wasted a lot. Adkins has only paid one fee out -Sharp.

Wages come into any equation of course but our wage bill has expanded no end from Weir's squad costs. Adkins also has the task of reducing Clough' s expensive, bloated squad.
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Why am I pursuing this tack? To show we are also a buying club as well as a selling club since Sep 2012. That's important IMO. Too easy for the moaners to trot out rubbish.

I can buy a lot more at Aldi than I can Waitrose. We've spent a lot maybe but mainly at Jack Fultons. We've signed some dross on the back of selling better players when promotion rivals were doing the exact opposite.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I'm not at all sure there is a surplus.- so many undisclosed fees.

Lowton and Quinn left before 2013 which was the date I started at above, mainly because our new owners have been involved since Sep 2012, Clough Oct 2012 etc.

Don't overlook the fact that all L1 clubs sell players too. In fact I think you are way wrong Dane.

Your post said since summer 2012 so I went with that. Westlake, Taylor etc. were signed pre-prince so if we're going on that regime they ought not be included. We have spent since the prince came in but nearly all of it was done in Jan 15 and there has been little since to suggest we are committed to achieving our aims promptly. We may have another go when more of the deadwood is gone. We shall see. It's worth noting thought that the last time we fended off serious offers for our best player (Jagielka with Wigan and West Ham trying to sign him) we got promoted. Every time since then we've capitulated and stumbled from failure to failure

 

[wizadry]

Your post said since summer 2012 so I went with that. Westlake, Taylor etc. were signed pre-prince so if we're going on that regime they ought not be included. We have spent since the prince came in but nearly all of it was done in Jan 15 and there has been little since to suggest we are committed to achieving our aims promptly. We may have another go when more of the deadwood is gone. We shall see. It's worth noting thought that the last time we fended off serious offers for our best player (Jagielka with Wigan and West Ham trying to sign him) we got promoted. Every time since then we've capitulated and stumbled from failure to failure

Great post!

 

[BushBlade]

Your post said since summer 2012 so I went with that. Westlake, Taylor etc. were signed pre-prince so if we're going on that regime they ought not be included. We have spent since the prince came in but nearly all of it was done in Jan 15 and there has been little since to suggest we are committed to achieving our aims promptly. We may have another go when more of the deadwood is gone. We shall see. It's worth noting thought that the last time we fended off serious offers for our best player (Jagielka with Wigan and West Ham trying to sign him) we got promoted. Every time since then we've capitulated and stumbled from failure to failure

When did Wigan and West Ham put bids in for Jaggi?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

When did Wigan and West Ham put bids in for Jaggi?

In the autumn of our promotion season. If I remember Wigan made a bid and made it public (around £4mil I think). Jags refers to it in the "Match of my life" book. He said at the time we were showing some ambition so he was happy to stay when Warnock told him about the bid. Not sure if West ham made a firm bid or were just being linked with him.

 

[BushBlade]

In the autumn of our promotion season. If I remember Wigan made a bid and made it public (around £4mil I think). Jags refers to it in the "Match of my life" book. He said at the time we were showing some ambition so he was happy to stay when Warnock told him about the bid. Not sure if West ham made a firm bid or were just being linked with him.

I thought it was after we'd been promoted but I've realised my memory is fucked.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Anyway,back to Revolutions point early in this thread, we are actually a buying club by this league's standards and yet we cannot gain promotion.

In other words it's the various managers' fault - NOT THE BOARDS FAULT. They are not total cretins, they will not back the manager with daft money, like they did Clough, not until the manager gains their confidence - would you?

On the other hand the Board choose the managers. Of course they do but it takes a year to know it's a mistake doesn't it. ADKINS has only been here 8 months.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Going on guessed figures we've had around £3.5-4m in transfer fees since they came in.

If the prince has also put money in, then it seems fairly clear that we've wasted a lot.

All true BushBlade but Adkins is a new kid on the block,he's only paid a fee for 1 sharp,the others will not have come cost free but at least
he's not thrown loads at it so far (my opinion).Clough was the one who has been backed by big money and all he acheave was play offs
with an unbalanced squad.Adkins needs time as well as money to put that right and I beleave he will ,while still trying to get promotion this
season no mean feat if he pulls it off.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Anyway,back to Revolutions point early in this thread, we are actually a buying club by this league's standards and yet we cannot gain promotion.

In other words it's the various managers' fault - NOT THE BOARDS FAULT. They are not total cretins, they will not back the manager with daft money, like they did Clough, not until the manager gains their confidence - would you?

On the other hand the Board choose the managers. Of course they do but it takes a year to know it's a mistake doesn't it. ADKINS has only been here 8 months.

I think the constant changing of managers without a philosophy from higher up in terms of recruitment is a big part of the problem too. As is failing to do the deals for the managers; preferred targets leaving them with plan b and c instead of plan a resulting in quantity over quality. Example being McNulty, Higdon, Davies, Sammon etc. whereas if we'd pushed the boat out for O Grady, we might have actually saved money overall. Wallace. Holt, Basham etc. instead of Coady is another.

 

[BushBlade]

Anyway,back to Revolutions point early in this thread, we are actually a buying club by this league's standards and yet we cannot gain promotion.

In other words it's the various managers' fault - NOT THE BOARDS FAULT. They are not total cretins, they will not back the manager with daft money, like they did Clough, not until the manager gains their confidence - would you?

On the other hand the Board choose the managers. Of course they do but it takes a year to know it's a mistake doesn't it. ADKINS has only been here 8 months.

Of course it's the board's fault. There are a number of failures that are visible and obvious such as the lack of scouts and a coherent recruitment policy, the admitted inability to manage Clough and the assertion that he was able to bypass their transfer strategy without them noticing and lots of things that we don't know about because we're not party to the day to day running of the club.

I've been going to the same Tesco for nearly fifteen years. The same people still work there. It isn't their fault Tesco is in the shit, they were there when Tesco were good, it's the fault of Tesco's leadership, as it always is whenever a business underachieves. That's what the leaders get well paid for.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Of more interest will be tonight's bench assuming Sharp does return.

Who will be the striker to miss out ?

Done ?
Sammon ?
DCL ?
Adams ?

Could be interesting !

UTB

Sammon it is then.

Shocker !!

UTB

 

[Woodwardfan]

I think the constant changing of managers without a philosophy from higher up in terms of recruitment is a big part of the problem too. As is failing to do the deals for the managers; preferred targets leaving them with plan b and c instead of plan a resulting in quantity over quality. Example being McNulty, Higdon, Davies, Sammon etc. whereas if we'd pushed the boat out for O Grady, we might have actually saved money overall. Wallace. Holt, Basham etc. instead of Coady is another.

The current Board have only sacked two managers and Weir' s sacking was under unavoidable circumstances.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

The current Board have only sacked two managers and Weir' s sacking was under unavoidable circumstances.

True, it could be argued that we had options regarding Clough though and Adkins is restricted by Clough's signings. That's not a dig at Clough. He built a squad that got to the playoffs but were some way off top 2. Adkins hasn't been able to match that this season. It doesn't mean he can't exceed that with the decks cleared but I fear we might end up sacking Adkins and having the new man hampered by Woolford, Coutts, etc. and being delayed in the transfer market with another "clean slate"