Our 4th goal

[blade67]

Good to see my positive post about another great goal has given the chance for people to slag each other off

 

[JohnDenver]

Good to see my positive post about another great goal has given the chance for people to slag each other off

I blame you too.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Absolutely. We are a proper pass and move football team. The astonishing thing is that some don't like that and actively pretend otherwise.

There is no 'three pass' rule by the way. It's a fallacy. The sort of nonsense promulgated by Charles Hughes and the rest of the Anti-Football Brigade.

Who doesn't like pass and move football?

It's quite entertaining to watch goals scored following 15+ passes. But they don't happen too often, which is probably why they get noticed so much. I've yet to see a study that do not confirm that most goals are scored following 4 passes or less.

Against Wimbledon (to pick a high scoring game giving a few different goals to look at) the number of passes before our goals were:

1st - 0
2nd - 4
3rd - 1
4th - 17

75% following 4 or less passes, 25% following more than 4 passes.

Which backs the studies up, but it was the fourth that got a thread of its own, and deservedly so.

The mentioned stat does not prove you should play hoof ball.

Bassett, Wenger, Wilder, Ferguson, Guardiola, Hughes and Adkins will probably not dispute the validity of the stat, but they will have different interpretations when it comes to how to make their teams play offensive football. That is fine!

I wouldn't be surprised that our team this season will score more goals following multiple passes than most. We have better, more skilful players and opposition teams are defending deeper and with many players behind the ball. This makes it more difficult for us to score from counter attacks; and to compensate we may have to be good at identifying situations in open play where opposition defenders are a bit sloppy, and punish them with our movement, ability and will to score and win.

 

[blade67]

Who doesn't like pass and move football?

It's quite entertaining to watch goals scored following 15+ passes. But they don't happen too often, which is probably why they get noticed so much. I've yet to see a study that do not confirm that most goals are scored following 4 passes or less.

Against Wimbledon (to pick a high scoring game giving a few different goals to look at) the number of passes before our goals were:

1st - 0
2nd - 4
3rd - 1
4th - 17

75% following 4 or less passes, 25% following more than 4 passes.

Which backs the studies up, but it was the fourth that got a thread of its own, and deservedly so.

The mentioned stat does not prove you should play hoof ball.

Bassett, Wenger, Wilder, Ferguson, Guardiola, Hughes and Adkins will probably not dispute the validity of the stat, but they will have different interpretations when it comes to how to make their teams play offensive football. That is fine!

I wouldn't be surprised that our team this season will score more goals following multiple passes than most. We have better, more skilful players and opposition teams are defending deeper and with many players behind the ball. This makes it more difficult for us to score from counter attacks; and to compensate we may have to be good at identifying situations in open play where opposition defenders are a bit sloppy, and punish them with our movement, ability and will to score and win.

bergen, someone posting a great article on here awhile ago about this.

The gist of it was that as football is a quick turnover game it's inevitable that most goals will be scored based on a small number of passes. back in the bad old days this was interpreted as a reason to try and score goals in a short number of passes. However, another interpretation is that teams should try to maintain possession as this lengthens the time that they control the game and increase opportunities for free kicks , corners etc which are a platform to create chances.

it's all interesting but good football is easy to spot as a fan. I want to see chances created and goals scored. Not too bothered how they get created but I've really enjoyed watching United create these goals

 

[Bergen Blade]

bergen, someone posting a great article on here awhile ago about this.

The gist of it was that as football is a quick turnover game it's inevitable that most goals will be scored based on a small number of passes. back in the bad old days this was interpreted as a reason to try and score goals in a short number of passes. However, another interpretation is that teams should try to maintain possession as this lengthens the time that they control the game and increase opportunities for free kicks , corners etc which are a platform to create chances.

it's all interesting but good football is easy to spot as a fan. I want to see chances created and goals scored. Not too bothered how they get created but I've really enjoyed watching United create these goals

The main thing that I take from that stat is that when there is a momentary lapse of concentration and organisation from the opposition, you have to do things quickly to take advantage of it. So, for the goal that started this thread, the main thing for me after our movement created gaps in their defence, was that we punished them immediately - two quick, forward passes, forward movement and finish.

I think everybody will agree we are happy with what we're seeing now, no reason to try creating a division among us.

 

[Guesty]

bergen, someone posting a great article on here awhile ago about this.

The gist of it was that as football is a quick turnover game it's inevitable that most goals will be scored based on a small number of passes. back in the bad old days this was interpreted as a reason to try and score goals in a short number of passes. However, another interpretation is that teams should try to maintain possession as this lengthens the time that they control the game and increase opportunities for free kicks , corners etc which are a platform to create chances.

it's all interesting but good football is easy to spot as a fan. I want to see chances created and goals scored. Not too bothered how they get created but I've really enjoyed watching United create these goals

This is the one I believe: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-one-mans-bad-math-helped-ruin-decades-of-english-soccer/

Basically, while most goals may come from 3 passes or fewer, Charles Reep had a lapse of logic and failed to run the numbers on whether keeping the ball longer increases the chance of a goal. (Spoiler: it does). Most goals come from 3 passes or fewer because most moves are 3 passes or fewer, not because they are more likely to lead to goals.

 

[blade67]

This is the one I believe: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-one-mans-bad-math-helped-ruin-decades-of-english-soccer/

Basically, while most goals may come from 3 passes or fewer, Charles Reep had a lapse of logic and failed to run the numbers on whether keeping the ball longer increases the chance of a goal. (Spoiler: it does). Most goals come from 3 passes or fewer because most moves are 3 passes or fewer, not because they are more likely to lead to goals.

that's the one. thanks