Our 3 big signings this season

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I don't want to condemn Berge to harshly because he is a young lad struggling to take the massive step up to the Premier League and has so far fallen far short of expectations . But I have yet to see exactly what he brings to the table. Watching clips on u tube from when he was in Belgium , he was running at people with the ball & scoring good goals. All I've seen from him is when he receives the ball he just lays it off sideways straight away. I'm sure he can play because of the reputation he had , and hopefully maybe , we might see the player we had hoped for one day, but it looks a long way off at the moment.
 



Wilder hasn't been shy in the past getting rid of players when they have not lived up to his expectations. Leonard, Holmes and carruthers were players he chased for a long time who made zero impression.
This is true , he needs to act in the off season we will lose money but we need to move players on that are not doing it .
 
Now Bert is never one to press the panic button but we've spent £50m on Mouse, Berge and McBurnie and so far they've looked a complete waste of money.
I don't agree
Berge hasn't looked right

Don't understand the Mcburnie hate at all - has looked decent at this level

Moose is still a mystery - who knows?
 
I'd also ask which of the subsequent ( I think ) six midfielders signed since he was binned has offered anything better than we already had in Duffy?
Freeman has a chance, if he was given more than cameos
 
Both Mousett and McBurnie have contributed well towards our season at times.

Berg however has looked absolutely and completely terrible.
 
I'll say this for Berge, he's not been helped by his manager. Thrown straight into English football. Not given the chance to get his fitness up. Largely, it seems, because the manager has a problem with the player he's replacing. Must be incredibly hard to adjust so quickly at this level.
 
I don't think the players added fit the CW system. We rely a lot on the ability of our midfielders (especially when we play with a flat three) to join the attack and get back and support the defence. IMO we need quick/hungry and athletic players.
 
I'd also ask which of the subsequent ( I think ) six midfielders signed since he was binned has offered anything better than we already had in Duffy?

None, but to be fair we aren't currently playing with the role Duffy used to play, so I'm not sure he would be able to help if he were here.
 
I don't hate any of the 3. But I don't rate them either.

Looks like Wilder had an issue with Moore tonight. Please tell me he's not next season's first choice keeper. He scares the crap out of me.
 
Now Bert is never one to press the panic button but we've spent £50m on Mouse, Berge and McBurnie and so far they've looked a complete waste of money.
They do look like the weak links and the ones in most need of replacing, which is a worry. Could all change again in a game or two though, so ill not hit that panic button just yet.

I do wonder where some those players would end up if put up for sale. Certainly McBurnie would be top end Championship at best. We’d never get that honest answer but I’d like to know if wilder would prefer an extra 60m in the kitty next season or these 3 in the squad.
 
I don't hate any of the 3. But I don't rate them either.

Looks like Wilder had an issue with Moore tonight. Please tell me he's not next season's first choice keeper. He scares the crap out of me.

Could you imagine Moore behind Nosworthy - more bombscares than downtown Bagdad
 



We get at least £200M for two seasons in the PL? Plus at least £70 parachute money if we go down in 2021?

that’s right. And most of that will go on wages. And of course we don’t get it all at once.

50 million is a lot of money in terms of our annual budget.
 
Complete waste of money to you, Bert.
But you don't speak for the fanbase. Chabuddy happens to think for £30mil we've got pretty decent value of a return from McBurnie & Mousset. With plenty of potential and room for improvement.
10 goals and 7/8 assists? With sod all service for the most part; certainly before October and since January.

For reference, strikers who cost similar or more:
Joelinton cost £50mil and has 2 goals.
Wesley cost £25mil and has 4 goals.
Haller cost £50mil and has 7 goals.

We have to get used to spending PL money and get out of our small time attitude. It's pathetic to see.
Writing 22 year old lads off is even more pathetic.

Berge is a different argument that I can't be arsed to have right now frankly.
 
I don't want to condemn Berge to harshly because he is a young lad struggling to take the massive step up to the Premier League and has so far fallen far short of expectations . But I have yet to see exactly what he brings to the table. Watching clips on u tube from when he was in Belgium , he was running at people with the ball & scoring good goals. All I've seen from him is when he receives the ball he just lays it off sideways straight away. I'm sure he can play because of the reputation he had , and hopefully maybe , we might see the player we had hoped for one day, but it looks a long way off at the moment.

The thing is though the Belgium league is probably on a par with the Scottish league - in other words pretty crap
 
In defence of Sander Berge. He is now 22 years old, the youngest first team regular in the United squad.
Until now, his 5 years in the pro game, has been confined to European football. He comes from a small town near Oslo, so he will have little or no experience of a major English City with considerable northern industrial heritage.
His team mates have all grown up steeped in the culture of English league football, with little in the way of recent experience in the modern international game. The lack of international success for British teams can be viewed through watching top level players at foreign clubs.
Their football is a different game to the EPL. Some southern clubs have adapted foreign players on a large scale, like Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea, using billionaire owners. The success enjoyed by Manchester clubs and Liverpool is also underwritten by wealthy owners.
It is probably fair to say that our club is based more on British players steeped in English football backgrounds, and molded by an innovative manager, to be more than the sum of their individual talents. Based on hard work, organisation and a little sprinkling of skills.
Berge has joined a team based on agricultural effort and work rate rather than silky foreign skills.
The young man has shown good positional skills and some pace in his earlier games, but much of this has been buried in favour of the team ethic, which now dominates his play.
Players of his background and undoubted quality, have managed to fit into top English teams, where they are surrounded by similarly talented individuals. Man City and Liverpool being prime examples.
If our fans see him as a fish out of water, they are spot on, but to blame him for his youthful eagerness to fit in Is to do him a disservice.
His attitude and adaptation will develop under Wilder, I’m sure. We are lucky to have him at a bargain price, on such a low wage. He wil eventually become an asset to the football team, or to the business, maybe both.
 
In defence of Sander Berge. He is now 22 years old, the youngest first team regular in the United squad.
Until now, his 5 years in the pro game, has been confined to European football. He comes from a small town near Oslo, so he will have little or no experience of a major English City with considerable northern industrial heritage.
His team mates have all grown up steeped in the culture of English league football, with little in the way of recent experience in the modern international game. The lack of international success for British teams can be viewed through watching top level players at foreign clubs.
Their football is a different game to the EPL. Some southern clubs have adapted foreign players on a large scale, like Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea, using billionaire owners. The success enjoyed by Manchester clubs and Liverpool is also underwritten by wealthy owners.
It is probably fair to say that our club is based more on British players steeped in English football backgrounds, and molded by an innovative manager, to be more than the sum of their individual talents. Based on hard work, organisation and a little sprinkling of skills.
Berge has joined a team based on agricultural effort and work rate rather than silky foreign skills.
The young man has shown good positional skills and some pace in his earlier games, but much of this has been buried in favour of the team ethic, which now dominates his play.
Players of his background and undoubted quality, have managed to fit into top English teams, where they are surrounded by similarly talented individuals. Man City and Liverpool being prime examples.
If our fans see him as a fish out of water, they are spot on, but to blame him for his youthful eagerness to fit in Is to do him a disservice.
His attitude and adaptation will develop under Wilder, I’m sure. We are lucky to have him at a bargain price, on such a low wage. He wil eventually become an asset to the football team, or to the business, maybe both.

You've obviously put a lot of thought and effort into that which , to some extent , is commendable .

However , your statement that " Berge has joined a team based on agricultural effort and work rate rather than silky foreign skills " is quite ridiculous and an insult to both the players and management of our club .

As you may have gathered , I go back a long way in following our team and can tell you that some of our performances this year , particularly in the Autumn/ early Winter period , were up there with some of the best I've ever seen from us .

These performances were by no stretch of the imagination based on the methods you so disparingly suggest , but rather on an ethos and style of play coupled with technical ability , which left some of the best teams in the land struggling to cope with us for large parts of the game .

As to Mr. Berge's "silky foreign skills ", I can only assume that you are referring to his ability to provide a decent short to medium sideways or backward pass . Or perhaps you can provide other evidence of his outstanding attributes which I have overlooked .
 
Christ. At least he doesn’t speak in 3rd person eh. Some home truths needed I think:

Berge - Okay Sander Berge is a 22 year old footballer, at the very minimum performing to Europa League standards as a CDM before he came here.

He’s come into united playing a completely alien system which doesn’t accentuate any of his good attributes and highlights his deficiencies. He’s still shown willing and put a lot of effort into all the behind the scenes work that a lot of players don’t. Getting on with the dressing room, doing 1 on 1 training, watching endless videos from the last 18 months to learn what’s expected of him. Remember too he’s made a huge step to move over to a new country, alone, and found himself in the midst of a global pandemic. He’s living and sleeping and eating alone in a hotel room in Sheffield. Got to play a factor mentally.

His lifespan as a footballer playing at least this level is around 12-14 years. What is the lifespan of our overlapping 352 system? 12-14 months at best probably. Give him time. Yes, he rejected us last summer because we were a newly promoted, cannon fodder team. He changed his mind and after watching all our games, joined us, despite having the pick of anyone in Europe by all accounts. He’s a proper football nut and realised something special was happening at United that he wanted a part of. He has invested in us due to the amazing connection with the club and fans. Those fans are now coming on message boards to slag him off.

He is a millennial. He will read all this shit you’re writing about him. He will be across all social media and probably these message boards. How do you think that would make him feel to read that his loyal fans that made that song about him are now calling him a fraud because of about 250 minutes out of position where he played poorly. We’re no better than pigs. Rimming him when it suits and using him as a scapegoat a week later. Pathetic. Look at yourselves.

In balance, I would prefer he was a little tougher, and would recommend to excel in this league you could be more tough and resilient and at his size he could become a brick wall shielding the defence. He already has the ball control and passing range which would make him a truly world class talent. In order to become that though, you need faith and patience and support from the fan base. Without that, he’s going to become a self fulfilling prophecy and flop, because that’s what you’re all telling him he is.

Mcburnie - I like Mcburnie. He does go missing in games but I think that’s down to the complete lack of service. I think he looks brilliant when we are playing a team where we are looking to dominate possession. If we’re playing on the break his shirt could be used on something else.

One thing I am surprised about though is that whenever we played against him, he was more a Mcgoldrick, dripping into the half spaces and creating stuff for others. He doesnt seem to have that about him at the moment.

Wilder - it’s unreal. The thread titles on the front page of this forum after 20mins ater final whistle were depressing. I’m starting to think we don’t deserve him as a boss. He’s done an unbelievable job.

The interesting thing is that wilder has never managed at this level. We’re all so proud to say he’s one of our own. We’re all so proud to tell everyone that will listen where he’s come from, how little experience he has at this level and how he’s never had 2 quid to rub together, yet the minute that he makes a mistake, before he’s even had a chance to learn from it, everyone is flogging him and almost suggesting he hasn’t done well enough this year and has made errors you wouldn’t have made yourself.

He’s inexperienced. He’s a quick learner but the only way to learn is from making mistakes. He’s one of our own and we should be proud to give him time to experiet to learn lessons for the future. Don’t ducking scare him off like you are with Berge. If you sing ‘he’s one of our own’ at games, don’t fucking come onto this forum and slag him off behind the keyboard you fickle bastards.

My two penneth anyway.
 



Well they have all been very disappointing .Berge more so than the others.When you think of such players as Bash and Fleck also Stevens and the outlay we payed for them and how much we payed for our big money players it makes you wonder.

In fairness though;

Basham - was deemed not good enough for league one by most of our fans before Wilder came in.

Fleck - came with mixed reviews from Coventry fans and the fleck we originally signed would not have been good enough for the prem. He's improved massively over the last 3 years to now be a Premier league level CM.

Stevens - was also deemed not good enough after a dip in form for about 6 months in our first season back in the championship. Hasn't been the same post lockdown but prior to it he was looking every bit a premier league wing back.

New players sometimes need time, regardless of how much they cost in transfer fees.

Also I feel like people are forgetting we still actually own these players as assets. It's easy to say "we've spent £50m on these three and not got much back" but if we were to sell mcburnie, mousset and Berge at the end of the season we would easily be able to recoup most of that.
 

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