Old Lord and Master up to his old tricks.

[Highbury_Blade]

The success of Swansea and Norwich last season, and to a lesser extent (In terms of the quality of football) QPR, suggests that a fluid passing game can be successful in the championship.

 

[Bladesway]

Not just the style though is it. Pulis plays the same way at Stoke but he has managed to get top players in through his time.

Thing is, new managers coming through like Martinez was, like McDermott at Reading or Rodgers at Swansea are. They recognise how beautiful the game can look. How you can keep it on the deck and maintain posession. Look at the best club team in the world (Barca). They play it on the deck, end of.

Europes top teams keep the ball and love keeping the ball. 100mph in your face might cause an upset once in a while but it won't bring you actual success in this day and age.

Warnock got teams out of the Championship on a budget. Bet he never does it again though. He's been round the same block one time too many and everyone knows that the Warnockasaurus has a nasty streak. The refs know it, the players know it and other managers know it.

 

[alcoblade]

Oh dear, the Brigade still love it, don't they?

Do try to step into the 20th Century at least, lads. Failing that, there are plenty of Wimbledon and Watford videos available.

For someone who's done quite well for themselves, your failure to grasp what's being said is as astounding as ever.

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[metalblade]

I do believe we are in the 21st century but ........... Colin still = W*****

 

[Worksop II]

Warnock has proved his style time and time again in the championship

Fair comment, also

Warnock has proved his style time and time again in the Premiership, and it doesnt work

I have the Barf Bag at the ready, for when he dusts off and wheels out the "Best Fans" routine

 

[SwissBlade]

Fair comment, also

Warnock has proved his style time and time again in the Premiership, and it doesnt work

I have the Barf Bag at the ready, for when he dusts off and wheels out the "Best Fans" routine

Who's talking premiership?

 

[puppet]

Anyone who saw the footage on TFLS of Reading vs leeds surely cannot fail to shudder? It was one step away from the Battle of Bramall Lane..... horrendous thuggery, not in the least leg-breaking Michael Brown

 

[metalblade]

Anyone who saw the footage on TFLS of Reading vs leeds surely cannot fail to shudder? It was one step away from the Battle of Bramall Lane..... horrendous thuggery, not in the least leg-breaking Michael Brown

I saw the look of horror and disbelief on the Reading managers face as the potentially career ending tackles were flying in unpunished. Ironic that the young lad got sent off for a foul which depending on the angle of the camera wasn't that bad ....... far worse was to follow, never has it been "a mans game" to jump in with studs showing.
L**ds, Bates, Warnock yes they deserve each other, representing everything bad about the game.
I am so glad Colin is no longer dragging the name of SUFC through the mud. In reality he should once again along with LUFC be charged with failing to control their players.

 

[grafikhaus]

And yet Warnocks defence of this typically thuggish Leeds display was 'Referees don't understand the game.'

He could well be right about the ref. on Friday. It was obvious that Leeds 'game plan' was to intimidate and, if the ref. had been aware of this and sent another couple of Leeds players off (definitely Pugh and probably Brown), we probably wouldn't have seen the disgraceful assaults on Karacan which, after numerous attempts, finally resulted in him going off with a broken leg.

Leeds are Leeds. Always have been, always will be. But the ref. can't escape criticism.

 

[Worksop II]

Who's talking premiership?

Well, if his methods work in the Championship, like wot you say, where does that lead to ?

 

[alcoblade]

Well, if his methods work in the Championship, like wot you say, where does that lead to ?

Usually promotion to the top fight for the first time in decades..

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[Bladesway]

Usually promotion to the top fight for the first time in decades..

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All Warnocks career can be summed up as follows:-

Starts well, improves things because they were really, really shit when he arrives. He peaks and then things start to go a bit pear shaped. He blames everyone else and everyone gets sick of him and he gets fired.

Difference with Leeds is they had a better manager in to start with.

 

[SwissBlade]

Yep things went pair shaped for him at united, palace and qpr...

United- only Blackwell has got close to the Warnocks best placing in the championship with greater resources than Warnock.
Palace - stabilised them during admin, kept them up. Left for qpr.
Qpr - took them up as champions, spent relatively little, kept them above relegation zone (just) currently just above with mega money manager

He's not everyone's cup of tea, but he stands by his players, battles and gets the job done

 

[alcoblade]

All Warnocks career can be summed up as follows:-

Starts well, improves things because they were really, really shit when he arrives. He peaks and then things start to go a bit pear shaped. He blames everyone else and everyone gets sick of him and he gets fired.

Difference with Leeds is they had a better manager in to start with.

All managers get fired. It's the way of football for all other than Fergie. Most don't do the improving in the midle bit. He's a gobshite, he loves himself, others hate him, plenty play a more pleasing brand of football, we're all delighted (now) with Wilson etc etc etc.

But 7 promotions really speaks for itself. He is a very good manager. Arguing against it just seems daft to me.

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[metalblade]

United- Warnock/Blackwell same old, Colin's teams did actually play better football.
Palace- he went there at the right time when they needed a man motivator
QPR- the reason he spent so little is the fact that the owners had poured in millions on players in the previous season with little result, he got them motivated and playing as a team that is what he does and all he does. QPR started life in the Prem ok but as usual with Colin's teams they have a dip after xmas................ the owners do what McCabe didn't have the bottle to do and got rid of Colin.
Remember he took 7 years to get us promotion ok he had no money to start with and made his own cash and us the top team in Yorkshire (no real biggy when you look at the rest of the shite in Yorkshire) When he did have cash to spend he made the horror purchases of Akinbadbuy & Horshite.
I'm sure McCabe could have hired a League 2 manager with a average track record who could turn the club round in one season with no cash and get us playing decent football as well....................... errr hang on

 

[alcoblade]

United- Warnock/Blackwell same old, Colin's teams did actually play better football.
Palace- he went there at the right time when they needed a man motivator
QPR- the reason he spent so little is the fact that the owners had poured in millions on players in the previous season with little result, he got them motivated and playing as a team that is what he does and all he does. QPR started life in the Prem ok but as usual with Colin's teams they have a dip after xmas................ the owners do what McCabe didn't have the bottle to do and got rid of Colin.
Remember he took 7 years to get us promotion ok he had no money to start with and made his own cash and us the top team in Yorkshire (no real biggy when you look at the rest of the shite in Yorkshire) When he did have cash to spend he made the horror purchases of Akinbadbuy & Horshite.
I'm sure McCabe could have hired a League 2 manager with a average track record who could turn the club round in one season with no cash and get us playing decent football as well....................... errr hang on

7 promotions cannot be expained by anything other than being a very good manager. I don understand the point you're making - is it that in 30 years of management you can fill a paragraph with his errors?

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[metalblade]

Good manager at Championship level or below but he has never cut it in the top flight nor will he, if plan A fails he has no plan B a tactical dinosaur who will blame the ref, the fans, or anything for failure other than his own shortcomings. He never left us with a name for playing good football more like a name for hoofball, thuggery (battle of Bramall Lane) and whinging over CarlosTevez, that and I hate the mouthy barsteward

 

[TAMUS]

Up the Tunnel again suprise suprise

 

[broomhillblade]

Up the Tunnel again suprise suprise

Where's Pervy Blade.... ?

 

[TAMUS]

Brown up the Tunnel

 

[super_pig]

don't care anymore.. should be moved to other sport thread IMO

 

[Kenilworth]

Difference with Leeds is they had a better manager in to start with.

Really? What's Grayson done that compares to Warnock and what is he doing since?
Whatever your feelings are for the man himself, his record is undeniable.

I would also add that once he has got a team into the Prem he has not had any backing of any real substance to improve the squad to compete. Notwithstanding that Rodgers and Lambert have performed miracles with their teams this season.

 

[Bladesway]

don't care anymore.. should be moved to other sport thread IMO

Awww diddums. You don't have to read, let alone comment. You not getting the blatent SUFC connection of Brown, Warnock etc?

He's so SUFC related this appeared in our LOCAL paper http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united-never-again-vows-neil-warnock-1-4432821

Kenilworth : I'm talking about now, not 5 or 10 years ago. Grayson is a better manager and did a better job with Leeds than Warnock is currently doing. What your saying is like saying Forest are a better team than Man City because they won the European Cup once upon a time.

 

[Balham]

Really? What's Grayson done that compares to Warnock and what is he doing since?
Whatever your feelings are for the man himself, his record is undeniable.

I would also add that once he has got a team into the Prem he has not had any backing of any real substance to improve the squad to compete. Notwithstanding that Rodgers and Lambert have performed miracles with their teams this season.

Sorry Kenilworth, that's bollocks. Warnock spent a fortune at QPR once Fernandes had taken over. Not necessarily on fees but Shaun Wright-Phillips, Joey Barton et al are rumoured to be on significant salaries.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Kenilworth : I'm talking about now, not 5 or 10 years ago. Grayson is a better manager and did a better job with Leeds than Warnock is currently doing. What your saying is like saying Forest are a better team than Man City because they won the European Cup once upon a time.

Is Alex McLeish a better manager than Arsene Wenger then because he won the League Cup last year whereas Wenger has never won it at all?

 

[Kenilworth]

Sorry Kenilworth, that's bollocks. Warnock spent a fortune at QPR once Fernandes had taken over. Not necessarily on fees but Shaun Wright-Phillips, Joey Barton et al are rumoured to be on significant salaries.

So you proved my point in your reply. Cheers Ballers.

 

[Kenilworth]

Kenilworth : I'm talking about now, not 5 or 10 years ago. Grayson is a better manager and did a better job with Leeds than Warnock is currently doing. What your saying is like saying Forest are a better team than Man City because they won the European Cup once upon a time.

No I am not - the Forest team now is not the same as it was under Clough when they won those honours - Unless you are telling me that Warnock has transferred himslef in the meantime - maybe he is some kind of time lord or something? Maybe he has the ability to regenerate himself into a different person?

For most on here he will probably have two cocks instead of two hearts if he was indeed a time lord.

 

[Balham]

So you proved my point in your reply. Cheers Ballers.

I was a bit harsh there Kenners. Sorry. However, the point stands that Warnock has had significant funds to invest but more often than not, he doesn't invest well.

I watched bits of the Reading v Leeds game and it was sad that it appeared as if Warnock thought it was acceptable to target Jem Karacan with a series of borderline tackles. The irony is that the one which did the damage was about the only tackle where the ball was taken first.

Warnock did a good job at United in the year he took over, in 2002-03 and in 2005-06. The rest of the time seemed to involve disappointment: be that blowing the chance to stay in the Premier League or finishing somewhere between 8th and 12th in the Championship.

 

[alcoblade]

Kenilworth : I'm talking about now, not 5 or 10 years ago. Grayson is a better manager and did a better job with Leeds than Warnock is currently doing. What your saying is like saying Forest are a better team than Man City because they won the European Cup once upon a time.

No, what you seem to be saying is that if Mancini wins the League this year then he's a better manager than Ferguson. Warncok got QPR promoted in the last full season to judge.

Football management is full of noise. Lots of managers stumble on good sides, get a run of good refereeing decisions, get superb backing, get a run of pure good luck. It's hard to seperate ability from short term good fortune (not many years ago many lauded Aidy Boiothroyd as the next big thing).

Those who seek to deny that 7 promotions is an undeniable sign of ability are simply letting their own emotion stand in the way of their jusdment.

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[Bladesman]

He can get teams moving through the divisions without spending too much granted.

Its when people start waving money at him to sign players with thats where he struggles to lure decent names in.

More players would want to play for him if he didn't blame everyone but himself when he lost.

The game at the weekend showed the nasty side to Warnock that people hadn't seen for a while IMO.