Oh, the irony!

[broomhillblade]

Quote from Moyes last night:

“They’re a good side and they pass the ball well. Danny has got them playing an attractive brand of football and they made their contribution to the game."


So after decades of hoof (apart from the Kendall/Spackman era) it has taken the man reviled by some as a 'Pig' to get us playing properly.

 

[Robbie]

Why is that ironic?

 

[Blade Blade]

Is it also ironic that we've started playing football since sinking to the third tier?

 

[broomhillblade]

Why is that ironic?

Because we were led to believe that 'nobody wanted him' at the Lane.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Because we were led to believe that 'nobody wanted him' at the Lane.

Again why is that ironic?

 

[davidpinder]

Because we were led to believe that 'nobody wanted him' at the Lane.

That was mostly down to his record. I have to say i am starting to like DW seems a good bloke and he is saying and doing the right thing but if come May were are 16th and have had a piggy style season then no i don't want him at the lane good football or not with the squad he has top six should be the least of our expectations.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

That was mostly down to his record.

As much as there was plenty of noise about the relegations at MK Dons and Swindon (he'd left some months before, btw, although admittedly they were in the crap), but there was silence about Swindon in the play-offs the year before and Hartlepools promotion before that...

 

[broomhillblade]

Again why is that ironic?

Irony - dictionary definition:

"Incongruity between what is expected to be and what actually is"

 

[Robbie]

Irony - dictionary definition:

"Incongruity between what is expected to be and what actually is"

Did any of the fans who didn't want him here, say that we wouldn't be playing football under him?

 

[davidpinder]

As much as there was plenty of noise about the relegations at MK Dons and Swindon (he'd left some months before, btw, although admittedly they were in the crap), but there was silence about Swindon in the play-offs the year before and Hartlepools promotion before that...

So if he gets us to the playoffs this year (and we don't go up) but relegates us next he's done then has he?

 

[oldblade]

Again why is that ironic?

I think there is a certain amount of irony in the fact that the manager who had probably the worst reception at Sheffield United of any manager that I can recall, a manager who was despised by many for his Wednesday connections, and also thought by many to have a poor record seems to be the one to have got us playing (or trying to) a palatable passing style of football.

Still, it is early days and there is plenty of time for it to all go wrong!

 

[DuncDisorderly]

So if he gets us to the playoffs this year (and we don't go up) but relegates us next he's done then has he?

My point, which I think you realise full well, is that there was a lot of chatter about the lows of Wilsons recent career as a form of justifying peoples stance against him. However even in the last few years this is really very selective, as he has got teams playing well and achieving at least a measure of success too...

 

[Ollessendro]

Geez ....

Broomhill, I'll let you know when the KOC is doing his next talk on satire and irony

 

[DuncDisorderly]

...doing his next talk on satire and irony

Am I right in thinking that THAT is ironic..?

 

[oldblade]

That was mostly down to his record. I have to say i am starting to like DW seems a good bloke and he is saying and doing the right thing but if come May were are 16th and have had a piggy style season then no i don't want him at the lane good football or not with the squad he has top six should be the least of our expectations.

I don't think it was. Any objective examination of his record will show that it's not bad. It's not brilliant either, but it's certainly not bad. My own view is that if people are honest, the main reason he was so badly received was because of his previous Wednesday connections

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My point, which I think you realise full well, is that there was a lot of chatter about the lows of Wilsons recent career as a form of justifying peoples stance against him. However even in the last few years this is really very selective, as he has got teams playing well and achieving at least a measure of success too...

Dunc, it seems obvious to me that he was despised for his Wednesday connections, and then people looked at selective parts of his record to justify this.

 

[broomhillblade]

Geez ....

Broomhill, I'll let you know when the KOC is doing his next talk on satire and irony

Oh, the ironing....

 

[mekkyblade]

Because we were led to believe that 'nobody wanted him' at the Lane.

Oh the boredom!! why r people still coming on here with the i told you so attitude, i for one didnt want wilson and i'll say it again for th hundredth time its not cos of the wendy connection, his record in management, along with the other candidates allegedely interviewed for the post, (which i thought one or two were better long term choices) was the reason for this and i am big enough and daft enough to come on here and say i am very pleased (so far!) with our start to the season and long may it continue, but can we please put this to bed, pleeeaaaase!!

 

[oldblade]

I think the reason it still gets discussed is because of the amount of vitreol directed at him before a ball was even kicked in a friendly match let alone a competitive match.

It's one thing to disagree with an appointment, but I can't ever recall a manager of Sheffield United getting anythig like the amount of stick Wison got on being appointed. It was really quite astonishing and must have something more behind it than his record alone.

 

[Nick Jansky]

I think he was the scapegoat for the feeling towards the club in general in the aftermath of relegation. Although his oinking credentials were trotted out, I take that as a bit of a red herring. He was copping for the vitriol that would perhaps have been better directed elsewhere, as he was the easy target.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

Dunc, it seems obvious to me that he was despised for his Wednesday connections, and then people looked at selective parts of his record to justify this.

Freud suggested that our brains (the unconscious mind) make the decisions before passing it to our conscious selves to find ways of rationalising and explaining the decision which we have already taken. His views on leaving one up when defending corners are not recorded...

 

[blade too long]

its ironic that someone trying to praise Wilson is put down by a fellow "BLADE" ,
its ironic after Speed said he was introducing passing football but didnt and Wilson , despite a very hostile welcome is gleaning praise from one of the prems most respected managers

Yes ironic does cover this analogy

 

[broomhillblade]

I don't know whether it is ironic, or just interesting, that Quinny - who "wasn't fit to wear the shirt" last season - is our star performer this time around.

It shows that most of us fans know nowt about football.

 

[Trigger Blade]

I don't know whether it is ironic, or just interesting, that Quinny - who "wasn't fit to wear the shirt" last season - is our star performer this time around.

It shows that most of us fans know nowt about football.

Don't get sidetracked with a second dose of irony broomers, you'll have Olle back trying to teach his grandmother to suck eggs, in a fine example of the blind attempting to lead the partially sighted.

When you say "us" fans that know nowt, you don't need to include you and me in that of course.

 

[bricktop]

Broomhill, its called Humble Pie and at the minute i've full of it, although at the minute is one of the nicer pies i've had.

The reason why a lot of people was against his appointment was the fact that he has had a lot of bearing in current situation where Wednesday now find themselves with his big money flop signings, add in to that a bit of a subsequently chequered career at a level no higher than League One when in the eyes of a lot of people there was a lot more suitable candidates available, and at the time it came across as being a very odd appointment.

At the minute he is doing well, and long may it continue, but it is still early days, but for one i would rather be forced to eat humble pie and for him to be a success, as i would rather do that and for it to all end in tears and being right all along.

Since his appointment and the furore about it, which i played a part in, i've grown to have a bit of a respect for him, i like what he has had to say, liked the football, liked the results and for someone who i initially couldn't stand i have been pleasantly surprised by him, and he actually comes across as a decent fella

 

[blade too long]

is there cinnamon in that pie ?

 

[bladeinlondon]

[QUOITE=Highbury_Blade;361006]Again why is that ironic?[/QUOTE]

I think you are being a bit mean - what is clearly meant is that the Blade Adams flopped and the
"Owl" Wilson is doing ok and as a bonus we are playing better football. However with MK Dons scoring for fun we need to win and win big at yeovil and I am not convinced its nailed on. its the Blades way after all to disappoint.

 

[alcoblade]

My point, which I think you realise full well, is that there was a lot of chatter about the lows of Wilsons recent career as a form of justifying peoples stance against him. However even in the last few years this is really very selective, as he has got teams playing well and achieving at least a measure of success too...

Whilst we can all surely agree that we're happy with his conduct and progression at The Lane so far, it's surely beyond debate that 10 years in the turd without a single promotion gave us plenty of reason to be totally deflated by his appointment, his Wendy connections aside?

If that's your measure of success then I think you need to move your signature back to that "clapper" one...



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Oh the boredom!! why r people still coming on here with the i told you so attitude, i for one didnt want wilson and i'll say it again for th hundredth time its not cos of the wendy connection, his record in management, along with the other candidates allegedely interviewed for the post, (which i thought one or two were better long term choices) was the reason for this and i am big enough and daft enough to come on here and say i am very pleased (so far!) with our start to the season and long may it continue, but can we please put this to bed, pleeeaaaase!!

Bang on.

UTB

 

[Revolution]

I don't know whether it is ironic, or just interesting, that Quinny - who "wasn't fit to wear the shirt" last season - is our star performer this time around.

It shows that most of us fans know nowt about football.

I think the main thing it shows is that League One is of a Lower standard than the Championship.

It is also worth pointing out that Quinn was just about the only player who improved under Adams. His good form has not come from nowhere, unlike, say, Collins.

As for the main point of the thread, I didn't want Wilson, mainly because his best days as a manager were 15 years ago, and he's showed in the last 10 years that he can't win playoffs and he can't cope with having is best players sold under him (and this is a problem if you are a United manager). So far, he has done a good job. United are unbeaten in the league and their one defeat was to a PL side, so no disgrace there. I'm very happy with the way we've started. However, whilst the ball has been on the deck more, Holland 1974 it ain't, and of course there is a long way to go yet.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

Whilst we can all surely agree that we're happy with his conduct and progression at The Lane so far, it's surely beyond debate that 10 years in the turd without a single promotion gave us plenty of reason to be totally deflated by his appointment, his Wendy connections aside?

If that's your measure of success then I think you need to move your signature back to that "clapper" one...
UTB

I'm happy with my new position as 'third most boring poster', although it is under constant threat, and I will have to up my game.

Just as a point of fact, Wilson managed the mighty Hartlepool to promotion in 06-07 and so it isn't really 'beyond debate' that he hasn't achieved a promotion in the last 10 years. However, I suggest that we forget this for now and just enjoy some decent winning football (until it all goes wrong again...)...

 

[Bladesway]

Geez ....

Broomhill, I'll let you know when the KOC is doing his next talk on satire and irony

Just so you know Ollie I am going to start collecting my copyright on KOC so please make sure you give credit where credit is due

On the Wilson thing, rather than talking about the irony and how some fans didn't want him shouldn't we be looking forward and thanking our lucky stars we thus far have a bloke in charge who wants to play it on the deck but more importantly knows how to get the team together and win matches at this level. Only time will tell if Wilson was the right man at the right time but thus far I have to say he has done little wrong. Long may it continue.

If the fans were as United as the team. Well that would be an achievement.