oh good...

[Sirius]

It is a bit strange, yes.

The only way I can see that they found CE guilty is on his behaviour appearing to be single mindedly focused on just getting a shag (diverting the taxi, coming in the room univited, whilst telling a crap story about how he was "curious") and I assume they took the view that he did not care either way if she was capable of consent and/or consenting and just got in there - hence no reasonable belief in consent as he gave no thought to consent.

The other altenative is that they thought Evans was just a total sleaze bag whereas MacDonald's behaviour was more "normal". Obviously, not a proper basis for a guilty verdict but possible.

That's the problem with juries. You never know if they did follow the law properly or just went off on a tangent. The Court of Appeal won't interfere with a jury's verdict if it is possible to see it logically. As you can see a logical basis for the verdict here, that's why he did not get permission to appeal.

Darren, you and others on this board are well versed in the way courts work. Unfortunately Ched was not and was crapping himself when he ha

 

[Sirius]

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[crucialkneeligaman]

As Ched was a Welsh International before his conviction, and if he plays again, may well rediscover form that would make an International call up likely, have they issued any kind of statement about the matter ?.

 

[Bookers Mullet]

I really hope that Sheffield United come to an objective decision not based upon an online petition comprised mainly of Sheffield Wednesday fans and hardcore feminists. Its very true about the old adage of an empty can rattling the loudest, and in this instance very much true. I did a quick straw poll in my office, out of twenty people, 18 thought he was well within his rights to play for SUFC and would have no negative thoughts against the club if they did take him on. I asked if they'd sign a petition to that effect and most replied along the lines of 'I'm not that bothered'

As for all women not wanting him to play again, well asking the two i know the best, my mum and my girlfriend, both had no issues with him playing again for us. In fact my girlfriends thinks the whole thing has been a sham and that in this case the justice system was totally messed up (shes Iranian so for her to say that must mean somethings not right given how their system works)

Yes their will be a s**tstorm if we do sign him, that will last approximately as long as the next reported case of ebola or some MP snapchatting his knob to a journalist

 

[LoughboroBlade]

As Ched was a Welsh International before his conviction, and if he plays again, may well rediscover form that would make an International call up likely, have they issued any kind of statement about the matter ?.

Coleman said in August he'd have to chat with the FAW, then Evans himself, before any sort of decision would be made about bringing him back: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ched-evans-play-wales-chris-7679329

But it doesn't sound like he's expecting to have that chat anytime soon - Coleman is very sceptical on whether Evans could quickly return to the level he was at 2.5 years ago. I agree with him on that.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I have heard a lot about this petition, I would presume that this vote or petition is a document and is available to scrutiny, or is ithe 90,000 figures just been plucked out of the air and given to the media, I know the media love to jump on a story but have they even asked to see the petition? Could someone please request to see this document, or is it the case that no one know who as commission it?

http://www.change.org/p/kevin-mccab...te-ched-evans-as-a-player-at-sheffield-united

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

Coleman said in August he'd have to chat with the FAW, then Evans himself, before any sort of decision would be made about bringing him back: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ched-evans-play-wales-chris-7679329

But it doesn't sound like he's expecting to have that chat anytime soon - Coleman is very sceptical on whether Evans could quickly return to the level he was at 2.5 years ago. I agree with him on that.

Thanks Lougboro, wasn't aware of that, cheers.

 

[yuley82]

DAILY MAIL

PFA chief Gordon Taylor says Ched Evans should be allowed to play football again when he is released from prison. The striker was jailed for five years for rape in 2012 but is due to be released later this month.

 

[JJ Sefton]

DAILY MAIL

PFA chief Gordon Taylor says Ched Evans should be allowed to play football again when he is released from prison. The striker was jailed for five years for rap in 2012 but is due to be released later this month.

If that's a crime why isn't John Barnes doing time?

 

[grafikhaus]

She's got a right to do this stuff, but she's perhaps jumping upon the band wagon of disgust and whipping up a frenzy rather than actually considering that he's a free man having done his time

Quite right. She's got an absolute right to denigrate a bloke to millions of people.

And I've got a right to hope that she emulates that other sad troll, Brenda Leyland, and fucking tops herself.

 

[SE9 Blade]

Indeed. You will get opposing fans chanting "rapist, rapist!" and such like and our lot doing the "he'll shag who he wants" song in response.

Great :-(

Unfortunately, I doubt that they will need to be provoked into a response to sing it.

 

[Esablade]

Unfortunately, I doubt that they will need to be provoked into a response to sing it.

I think singing a few songs will be the least of our worries...I mean don't Leeds still sing 'the Jimmy Saville' song?

 

[sitwell]

Every team in Yorkshire used to sing theres only one Yorkshire Ripper ,and he didn't even play football.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Coleman said in August he'd have to chat with the FAW, then Evans himself, before any sort of decision would be made about bringing him back: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ched-evans-play-wales-chris-7679329

But it doesn't sound like he's expecting to have that chat anytime soon - Coleman is very sceptical on whether Evans could quickly return to the level he was at 2.5 years ago. I agree with him on that.

Why, oh why can't Coleman and the FAW just decide right NOW whether he will ever play for Wales again?
I demand an immediate statement!

 

[Grecian2000]

Every team in Yorkshire used to sing theres only one Yorkshire Ripper ,and he didn't even play football.

Not to mention Harry Roberts:

"Harry Roberts is our friend, is our friend, is our . . . . . . . . . . He kills coppers!"

PS. The Harry Roberts song also got around that awkward "what shall I tell the kids" conundrum by explaining everything in the last line. Top tuning.

 

[Darthblade]

It's not about the employer's attitude. It's about what message they say it sends to people generally, that you can commit rape and then walk straight back him to a glamarous well paid job and that some people will deduce from that that rape is not such a big deal.

As I say, I think it's perfectly reasonable to take that view, but it is possible to counter it by powerful statements from the club and Evans (I mean, whar would it take for him to put out a statement saying he abhors all rape and sexual violence and to prove it will donate his first month's wages to a Rape Crisis Centre or some such? - they might refuse it, but then they look shit, not him). I think that the utter silence on the issue from both him and the club has been appalling media management.

You may take the robust view that he should not pander to the likes of Jean Hatchet and if it were only her and ilk I would agree with you - no-one pays any attention to the ramblings of radical feminists - but it isn't, like it or lump it most people will, I believe, think it is distasteful if he gets his job back straightaway and SUFC will be the dogs house about the whole thing unless it is managed properly.

I think this assertion that has been suggested "that you can commit rape and then walk straight back him to a glamarous well paid job and that some people will deduce from that that rape is not such a big deal" is an absolute load of rubbish. I would doubt that the majority of people would make that link at all.

You can make assumptions and deductions until the cows come home but I seriously doubt that most individuals around the country would even be aware of Ched Evans or SUFC if it were not for this crazy feminist and her zealot- like behaviour.

Its an unsupportable generalisation that "people" will think that football diminishes the seriousness of rape if Evans signs for SUFC.
UTB & FTP

 

[Darren]

I think this assertion that has been suggested "that you can commit rape and then walk straight back him to a glamarous well paid job and that some people will deduce from that that rape is not such a big deal" is an absolute load of rubbish. I would doubt that the majority of people would make that link at all.

You can make assumptions and deductions until the cows come home but I seriously doubt that most individuals around the country would even be aware of Ched Evans or SUFC if it were not for this crazy feminist and her zealot- like behaviour.

Its an unsupportable generalisation that "people" will think that football diminishes the seriousness of rape if Evans signs for SUFC.
UTB & FTP

A crazy feminist called Julie Bindel once wrote an article saying all women should become lesbians. I did not see 100,000 people suddently agreeing with her and getting lots of mainly supportive media coverage

Crazy feminists are generally ignored by everyone else. The fact that this one isn't tells it's own story.

 

[JJ Sefton]

You can make assumptions and deductions until the cows come home but I seriously doubt that most individuals around the country would even be aware of Ched Evans or SUFC if it were not for this crazy feminist and her zealot- like behaviour.

Very true. The fact that 100,000 people have dedicated about five mouse clicks to this doesn't suggest very much.

 

[boo radley]

Well I was just thinking this was something new but its like 'Did I lock the door.' ' I've left the Iron on.' 'I need to wash my hands again'......................

 

[itsinyerblood]

A crazy feminist called Julie Bindel once wrote an article saying all women should become lesbians. I did not see 100,000 people suddently agreeing with her and getting lots of mainly supportive media coverage

Crazy feminists are generally ignored by everyone else. The fact that this one isn't tells it's own story.

The underlying thread seems to be that even though you've committed a dreadful crime, served your sentence, and realised that you acted in such a revolting manner, that your punishment should extend way beyond what the legal system deems appropriate. Of course, the argument that comes back is that the victim can never walk away from the act that was perpetrated upon her, so presumably that's why tariff's exist, and even then they can be inappropriate, so what's left is an unsatisfactory situation that leaves deep frustration.....there really is no satisfactory solution other than for the culprit to be caught, sentenced, and serve his time, and, hopefully to realise that what they did was wrong. As for the ongoing punishment argument, it has the mentality of the lynchmob and the pulpit rolled into one.

I'm not familiar with Ms Bindel, but I've read enough feminist rhetoric to know that there's a strain of thought that ultimately seeks female separatism, suggesting that the further they can put space between women and men the better. Yes, it is a crazed argument, it's redundant for a number of reasons, most noticeably that people, male, female, black, white, gay, heterosexual, need to find ways to communicate and live together, otherwise what you're left with is something akin to a world view that is parlous in it's outlook.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Every team in Yorkshire used to sing theres only one Yorkshire Ripper ,and he didn't even play football.

Hammered a few in though

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Very true. The fact that 100,000 people have dedicated about five mouse clicks to this doesn't suggest very much.

Also means 63,900,000 don't object

 

[yuley82]

If that's a crime why isn't John Barnes doing time?

I just copied and pasted, did see that an made me chuckle before I corrected it.

 

[blade too long]

on line petitions for not wanting IS to behead someone were really effective werent they

 

[Lawrence]

http://www.change.org/p/kevin-mccab...te-ched-evans-as-a-player-at-sheffield-united

Cheers Highbury, yes I found it - so some one should start a petition 'sign this petition if you think that ched Evens has served is time and should be allowed back into society and to get on with is life'

 

[Lawrence]

Cheers Highbury, yes I found it - so some one should start a petition 'sign this petition if you think that ched Evens has served is time and should be allowed back into society and to get on with is life'

Also could we have suggestions of other occupations that should not be allowed to go back to working in their original trade?

 

[Sirius]

A crazy feminist called Julie Bindel once wrote an article saying all women should become lesbians. I did not see 100,000 people suddently agreeing with her and getting lots of mainly supportive media coverage

Crazy feminists are generally ignored by everyone else. The fact that this one isn't tells it's own story.

She is so far up herself that it is unbelievable. They have been about for years. Man Haters and Woman Haters to put the record straight. Sheffield United and Ched et al are fuck all to do with this bitch

 

[Sirius]

The underlying thread seems to be that even though you've committed a dreadful crime, served your sentence, and realised that you acted in such a revolting manner, that your punishment should extend way beyond what the legal system deems appropriate. Of course, the argument that comes back is that the victim can never walk away from the act that was perpetrated upon her, so presumably that's why tariff's exist, and even then they can be inappropriate, so what's left is an unsatisfactory situation that leaves deep frustration.....there really is no satisfactory solution other than for the culprit to be caught, sentenced, and serve his time, and, hopefully to realise that what they did was wrong. As for the ongoing punishment argument, it has the mentality of the lynchmob and the pulpit rolled into one.

I'm not familiar with Ms Bindel, but I've read enough feminist rhetoric to know that there's a strain of thought that ultimately seeks female separatism, suggesting that the further they can put space between women and men the better. Yes, it is a crazed argument, it's redundant for a number of reasons, most noticeably that people, male, female, black, white, gay, heterosexual, need to find ways to communicate and live together, otherwise what you're left with is something akin to a world view that is parlous in it's outlook.

Family first, last and always Poor Jean Hatchet

 

[itsinyerblood]

I don't know why 'Jean Hatchet' isn't called out on her use of anonymity? For all I know she could be the 'victim' herself?
Her argument for disguising her real identity may be to prevent contact being made by those who oppose her view, but to have created such a theatrical mask to hide behind, especially when Evans cannot hide, seems cowardly. This woman, assuming she is a woman, has all the benefits and none of the responsibility attached to orchestrating such a personal attack. She can hide behind her nom de guerre with self-righteous indignation, continuing her attack on Evans as if she were the victim herself. What she cannot do is to act from a position of moral high ground. Whoever Ms 'Hatchett' is, whatever reality she exists in, her unwillingness to come forth and reveal her true self undermines the stance which gives her the freedom to behave and act in whatever manner she chooses, something she hopes to deny Evans.

 

[Bladesman]

I don't know why 'Jean Hatchet' isn't called out on her use of anonymity? For all I know she could be the 'victim' herself?
Her argument for disguising her real identity may be to prevent contact being made by those who oppose her view, but to have created such a theatrical mask to hide behind, especially when Evans cannot hide, seems cowardly. This woman, assuming she is a woman, has all the benefits and none of the responsibility attached to orchestrating such a personal attack. She can hide behind her nom de guerre with self-righteous indignation, continuing her attack on Evans as if she were the victim herself. What she cannot do is to act from a position of moral high ground. Whoever Ms 'Hatchett' is, whatever reality she exists in, her unwillingness to come forth and reveal her true self undermines the stance which gives her the freedom to behave and act in whatever manner she chooses, something she hopes to deny Evans.

So true but the reasons are probably because she has done more than just organize a petition against Evans. She is a radical feminist so she tends to have an issue with most people in life especially denying transsexuals their rights in society. So from what I have read she comes in for a fair amount of abuse from many people. She apparently is a survivor of domestic abuse that will her only reason for keeping herself anonymous.