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We've only conceded 26 goals. Could be less but remember 5 of them were on one single day. The midfield is decent but could be better. It's upfront where we have issues as we have not even hit the 30 goal mark just yet.

Hmmm .... I'm sorry but I don't agree. Haven't seen the PV goals yet but the goals we have conceded in the last 10 games have been due to " schoolboy errors" and poor play, nothing more or less. NC has said so himself. We don't have a defender, ( other than maybe Harris) that would get into the side at any of the other top 6 Clubs.

The midfield is spectacularly ineffective, lightweight and despite being 5 in midfield ( sometimes 6 ) are regularly outplayed / overrun by our opponents. We don't have a midfield player who would make it into the side at any of the other top 6 Clubs. Before you quote Baxter ...... when was the last good game he had ??

I do agree though that we have major problems upfront though ...... but we haven't had a proper striker at the Club since Evans was jailed and the Club have chosen to do f**k all about that so that isn't changing any time soon.

Lets face the facts guys, much as I hate it we are an AVERAGE league 1 side, no better, as demonstrated by our league performances.
UTB & FTP
 



Michael Brown is my favourite United player I've seen after Tony Agana - THAT season he had with us was as good an individual season as I've seen from a Sheffield United player. Whilst we were a decent side that season, Brown turned us into genuine promotion contenders, he was amazing.

The fact that our fans hold Brown in such high regard for what was essentially a couple of decent seasons with an absolute cracker in 02/03 is shown by the fact that even when he plays for the opposition, he gets his name chanted. I think that is the first time - that I can remember, anyway - we have come up against him since he left ten years ago but his performances in that season were so good that people still get goosebumps now. I still refer to him as "Lord" now, I spent many a transfer window until maybe the last couple hoping for him to return. I could watch the goal he scored against Wednesday over and over and over again until the day I die and not ever grow tired of watching it.

However, he was a Port Vale player today. I haven't been to the game but I think I would definitely have applauded him before the game and possibly chanted his name. I'd draw the line at during the game (unless we were 3-0 up) but each to their own. Brown should have known, if he didn't already, at the point he was chanted at by the SUFC fans that he is still held in the highest of esteems by our supporters. Some of our fans that have grown from children to men in the last ten years may only know Brownie as their idol - they may not know of the Agana and Deane of my generation, the Currie and Woodwards of my Dad's generation or the Hagan's of my grandfathers.

I haven't seen what happened. I trust Clough's word and accept that, in his opinion, it was not worthy of a red card. I also don't believe he would lie about Brown rolling around. I am going to look with interest on the FLS or YouTube at what happened. I genuinely hope that Brownie has not done what he is being accused of. I would hope that knowing what an idol/legend/whatever you want to call him he is to the Blades, I would hope that he would save those kind of antics for the fans of other clubs without respect for him - the Grunters and the Florists for example. I sincerely hope he hasn't got Basham sent off.

However, Clough's comment makes me seriously doubt that he hasn't got Basham sent off. I find that a sad indictment of where the modern game is at where three points is more important than your legacy, the bond with fans past and present. I doubt the Port Vale fans will think better of him for getting Basham sent off but I know Sheffield United fans will lose a lot of respect for him if he has. Play the game, give your all for your club, do everything you can to beat your former club but do it within the laws and spirit of the game.

I hope he hasn't ... but I suspect he has.

As for Clough, he didn't have a go at the Blades fans for chanting Brown's names. It was a dig at Brown because he clearly believes that Brown got Basham sent off. Maybe Clough just values sportsmanship and fair play and found it sad that Brown would do that against a club with a bunch of supporters that hold Brownie in such high regards. The OP is a load of bollocks of the highest nature.
Summed the thread up well, that last sentence really is spot on.
 
Michael Brown was outstanding for us, yes, maybe amongst our "greats" ( it's all relative of course). He was a skilled, dynamic player who did the business for a full season and was key to our promotion.

Brownie was all of the above and also had a bit of an edge about him that, say Tonguey lacked. Once he was paired with McCall he scored goals too (was arguably lacking in that department) and was part of some memorable games of football. My favourite being 3-1 v Weds. However, from memory he had less to do with our promotion than Horsfield. Sorry to be a pedantic.
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I'm lost now.

We must've been chanting Brownie's name for the entire 90 minutes according to those on here who weren't there. Yep, and the sun shone bright, and we were all home by 7.30.

His name was chanted at the start, and I must say I was a little surprised at how loud it was, and by how visibly Brownie acknowledged us. However, once we kicked off it was down to business; booing the ref, chanting about the physical appearance of Vale's 'character' in the home end, chanting the names of Bobby Harris and Jamie Murphy (briefly), asking Mr Clough to bring on McNulty when losing, and heartily BOOING Michael Brown when his name was announced as Man of the Match. Yes, we really did boo louder than at any other stage of the game when this was announced.

For the record, I got back to Sheffield at around 2.30am. Think I'll hitch next time.
 
Hmmm .... I'm sorry but I don't agree. Haven't seen the PV goals yet but the goals we have conceded in the last 10 games have been due to " schoolboy errors" and poor play, nothing more or less. NC has said so himself. We don't have a defender, ( other than maybe Harris) that would get into the side at any of the other top 6 Clubs.

The midfield is spectacularly ineffective, lightweight and despite being 5 in midfield ( sometimes 6 ) are regularly outplayed / overrun by our opponents. We don't have a midfield player who would make it into the side at any of the other top 6 Clubs. Before you quote Baxter ...... when was the last good game he had ??

I do agree though that we have major problems upfront though ...... but we haven't had a proper striker at the Club since Evans was jailed and the Club have chosen to do f**k all about that so that isn't changing any time soon.

Lets face the facts guys, much as I hate it we are an AVERAGE league 1 side, no better, as demonstrated by our league performances.
UTB & FTP
If the goals are down to 'schoolboy errors' as you put it then how on earth is the manager to blame for that?
I think Reed would make it into a top 6 team. Flynn was wanted by Brighton over the summer so I think he would make a top 6 in league one side. Murphy certainly would. Wallace if he was fit certainly would. I don't know when Baxter's last good game was tbh but given what I have read I could see how he could make a top 6 team.
Blackman was pretty good. If we hadn't let him go we probably would've gone up in 2013.
 
Just seen Brown roll over bout ten times as if his leg was hanging off. Nasty little so and so, well done to everyone who sang his name yesterday.
 
Michael Brown put in some of the worst, most half-hearted displays I've ever seen in a United shirt in his final half season with us. Fuck Michael Brown.
 
Woodwardfan . It is what we are missing as a team , the Michael Brown factor of the team playing with a "edge" , "will to win" and that ruthless streak . A guy like Brown could be the missing link , but the down side is bookings and suspensions .

Wallace was made for the midfield job , but 1 game in 8 is what you get when taking the risk of signing a injury prone player .

Mr Clough is a championship manager , and that may be the problem. Himself or his back-room staff do not know the league , as well as we thought he did , and his lack of knowledge of tactical awareness is now showing . Teams have found us out , due to the blades being predictable and unable to score goals on a regular basis ( without proven up front goal scorers).

We are weak in the 3no main spine positions of any successful team , CH , midfield , CF.. This is basic football and 20,000 of us know this , week in week out.

Forget the cup runs , which are a nice distraction from the league . The biggest achievement will be reaching the playoffs , the shit or bust lottery it brings.

The situation we are in , and the results being achieved is down to Mr Clough . Let us see how good a manager he really is , with a lot of points still to play for.

UTB

TBH I would put up with Hoof for a season if it meant promotion. The pigs went that way and did us. Don't get me wrong I much prefer to watch smooth silky passing movements, with players making themselves available. but WITH AN END PRODUCT. I am so pissed off with poor players being made to look useless by big ugly bastards. May be we should recruit some and put it around a bit. Oh for a Billy tight shirt to protect the innocent. May be I will be more rational and accept our poor situation in the morning. My Christmas present, a bottle of Craganmore is starting to give me a warm smiley feeling. In the meantime, I know that Pinchy will keep the faith.
 
If the goals are down to 'schoolboy errors' as you put it then how on earth is the manager to blame for that?
I think Reed would make it into a top 6 team. Flynn was wanted by Brighton over the summer so I think he would make a top 6 in league one side. Murphy certainly would. Wallace if he was fit certainly would. I don't know when Baxter's last good game was tbh but given what I have read I could see how he could make a top 6 team.
Blackman was pretty good. If we hadn't let him go we probably would've gone up in 2013.

Its only the Managers issue in the sense that he's done little to rectify our "leaky defence"; the donkey from palace is not the answer. There are many solid defenders in this division .... I've never heard of most of them before and they're certainly not household names.

I would suggest that our midfield is one of the least effective in the division as a unit, mainly due to them being far too lightweight and unsuitable for the rough and "agricultural" game in this division. Wallace can look after himself and play decent football ..... regrettably he's married to the treatment table !!

We also lack pace all over the pitch and we cannot score goals. These deficiencies also have not been addressed and are unlikely to be ....... :(
UTB & FTP
 
I'm lost now.

We must've been chanting Brownie's name for the entire 90 minutes according to those on here who weren't there. Yep, and the sun shone bright, and we were all home by 7.30.

His name was chanted at the start, and I must say I was a little surprised at how loud it was, and by how visibly Brownie acknowledged us. However, once we kicked off it was down to business; booing the ref, chanting about the physical appearance of Vale's 'character' in the home end, chanting the names of Bobby Harris and Jamie Murphy (briefly), asking Mr Clough to bring on McNulty when losing, and heartily BOOING Michael Brown when his name was announced as Man of the Match. Yes, we really did boo louder than at any other stage of the game when this was announced.

For the record, I got back to Sheffield at around 2.30am. Think I'll hitch next time.

Yep agree with that statement - the fans did sing loud at the mention of his name but there was considerable encouragement from THE ONES THAT WENT AND HEARD EVERYTHING throughout the whole game.

UTB
 

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