New Deal for Cresswell

[DP8789]

Great News, really happy this has been done.

http://www.sufc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10418~2066150,00.html

 

[lenners]

Another one for the future.
Giving him a three-year deal aged 32. Frightening where our club is heading.

 

[SwissBlade]

Another one for the future.
Giving him a three-year deal aged 32. Frightening where our club is heading.

So you were glad to see 32 year old Paddy Kenny leave then lenners? Or does that not suit your arguement?

 

[DP8789]

Another one for the future.
Giving him a three-year deal aged 32. Frightening where our club is heading.

Whats frightening is how you have managed to be negative about our best striker from last season signing a new deal. 3 years may be too long for someone who is 32, but if he returns with 15-20 for the next 2 years and then plays a bench role for the last then i would take that all day long. And lets not forget he left stoke because he wanted football, didnt spit his dummy out, took a wage drop and was happy to do so to get football, if we dont play him in his final year, then im sure he'll be as respectful and ask united for the same.

 

[lenners]

So you were glad to see 32 year old Paddy Kenny leave then lenners? Or does that not suit your arguement?

Keepers are in their prime at 32 and can easily go on for another five years.
I remember a couple of years back that our approach was going to be youth, resale value etc.
Of the four players that have agreed contracts this summer, three are over 30 and likely to have little or no resale value.
That's why anyone should be concerned about where we're headed.

 

[DP8789]

So is it all about buying to re-sell lenners? lets not bother offering our club captain, player of the year and top goalscorer a new deal? Weve paid nothing for the fourth (i assume you mean bogdanovic) so whats to 're-sell'? experience is vital in this division and all 4 will provide that.

 

[lenners]

So is it all about buying to re-sell lenners? lets not bother offering our club captain, player of the year and top goalscorer a new deal? Weve paid nothing for the fourth (i assume you mean bogdanovic) so whats to 're-sell'? experience is vital in this division and all 4 will provide that.

No, it isn't all about buying to re-sell. We've already sold most of those assets anyway.
But it is basic business sense that ideally you will be bringing in assets that will improve you and have a marketable future value.

 

[Foxy]

But it is basic business sense that ideally you will be bringing in assets that will improve you and have a marketable future value.

Which is why I assume you want to bin off young Chedwyn so early taking a loss on him?

 

[lenners]

Which is why I assume you want to bin off young Chedwyn so early taking a loss on him?

I wouldn't have bought him. Could have kept Walker with that money. Crying shame.
As for binning him off, who wants him?

 

[SwissBlade]

Keepers are in their prime at 32 and can easily go on for another five years.
I remember a couple of years back that our approach was going to be youth, resale value etc.
Of the four players that have agreed contracts this summer, three are over 30 and likely to have little or no resale value.
That's why anyone should be concerned about where we're headed.

Fair enough Lenners, I don't disagree with what you've said about our approach. But that approach was what we talked about 2,3,4 years ago when we were in the money and the garden was rosey. But we're where we are now... like or not.

Which leads me on to this from the "Kenny officially gone on OS" thread:

Being reduced to checking whether your own terms are watertight because you've found out you're being screwed is definitely dropping a bollock Raul.
There was never any need for a clause, we could have sold him anyway. If he didn't want a contract, he could have sat on his arse for a year, no skin off our nose.
The way we've lost Paddy is just another example of really poor management. On top of having no right back, no decent left back and only one centre half a week before the fixtures come out, we now have no goalkeeper.
It's comical.

So ok, Cresswell's 32, but we've tied him into a 3 year deal, I nor you know if there is a buy out clause, but based on the Paddy debarcle, surely its a good thing to give our most consistent performer and top goalscorer a new deal. Afterall 32 is not that old for a modern day footballer. Cressie doesn't rely on pace or trickery that will fade with age so could realistically still be doing a decent job for us in 3 years time.

I fail to see the negatives in Cresswell's deal

 

[DP8789]

No, it isn't all about buying to re-sell. We've already sold most of those assets anyway.
But it is basic business sense that ideally you will be bringing in assets that will improve you and have a marketable future value.

and who's to say we wont be bringing any future assets in? lets not forget its only the 7th of June, season is 2 months away! However you try and spin these contract renewals to suit your negativity, these are important renewals by key players for this club.

 

[lenners]

Fair enough Lenners, I don't disagree with what you've said about our approach. But that approach was what we talked about 2,3,4 years ago when we were in the money and the garden was rosey. But we're where we are now... like or not.

Which leads me on to this from the "Kenny officially gone on OS" thread:



So ok, Cresswell's 32, but we've tied him into a 3 year deal, I nor you know if there is a buy out clause, but based on the Paddy debarcle, surely its a good thing to give our most consistent performer and top goalscorer a new deal. Afterall 32 is not that old for a modern day footballer. Cressie doesn't rely on pace or trickery that will fade with age so could realistically still be doing a decent job for us in 3 years time.

I fail to see the negatives in Cresswell's deal

We are where we are, in part, because we didn't follow the policy we claimed as ours.
I don't mind resigning Cresswell, though he's a lucky boy to get three years in the current climate, but it's the obvious lack of young signings which is shouting out.
There was mention of Capaldi and De Merit, again in a similar camp. We'd end up with a team of ageing players on decent money with no resale value.
Unless that team miraculously gets you promoted, you're heading for more financial problems down the line.

 

[Foxy]

I wouldn't have bought him. Could have kept Walker with that money. Crying shame.
As for binning him off, who wants him?

Perhaps so, but in terms of your idea of business sense, surely a highly rated (whatever you personally think of him) young striker from a Premiership club would possess less of a risk than a right back with less games under his belt?

Now we've got him, where is the business sense of wanting him gone before giving him chance to become an asset?

That's of course ignoring the fact that bringing through two young talents and selling them together netted us a sizeable chunk of "marketable value" right at the very time we were feeling the pinch, all through the very same model you are promoting

In an ideal world, we'd have never have sold either of them, but we aren't in an ideal world are we Lenners?

 

[Bladesway]

I'm struggling to see what there is to argue about in Lens post. As happy as I am to see our best striker from last season sign on, I wonder how many milliseconds after he picked himself off the floor it took him to put pen to paper. If we are getting giddy about signing a 32 year old against no competition you have to admit that if nothing else expectations have been lowered somewhat this last 4 years. And he cost zilch.

On one hand we can't afford to keep Naysmith and on the other we overshoot with Cresswell. Doesn't show the best management in the world as I see it.

 

[The One]

Didn't we get promoted with an ageing side who were considered "journeymen".

Bring on the old un's if it got us promoted.

 

[gavtheblade]

I think cressy will turn out like shipperley did for us.2-3 years of excellent service,plenty of goals.Cant fault the lad.great player for us.Its a player like him who could get us promotion with a settled team.heres to hope.UTB

 

[Bladesway]

Didn't we get promoted with an ageing side who were considered "journeymen".

Bring on the old un's if it got us promoted.

No we didn't

 

[lenners]

Perhaps so, but in terms of your idea of business sense, surely a highly rated (whatever you personally think of him) young striker from a Premiership club would possess less of a risk than a right back with less games under his belt?

Now we've got him, where is the business sense of wanting him gone before giving him chance to become an asset?

That's of course ignoring the fact that bringing through two young talents and selling them together netted us a sizeable chunk of "marketable value" right at the very time we were feeling the pinch, all through the very same model you are promoting

In an ideal world, we'd have never have sold either of them, but we aren't in an ideal world are we Lenners?

No chance, I'd seen Walker play and could see the potential.
You're tortuously trying to advance an argument that's never going to stack up as far as Walker is concerned because we'd seen him play. The kid was outstanding when the rest of them bottled it at Wembley, he obviously had it from the word go.
And I never said buy young players for the sake of it, I mean good young players.
I don't want Chedwyn gone anyway. He's either going to be the kind of comedy gold he was in the last home match or he'll shock us all and score a few goals.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Personally I would have waited for a bit and seen if he kept up last season's good form before discussing another year's extension. A three year contract seems very long for a 32/33 year old.

Having said that, I think it's a fair point that Cresswell may have the physique to keep his current level if he's lucky with injuries.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

No we didn't

We did have a fair few old players.

Brian Deane
Craig Short
David Unsworth
Chris Morgan
Neil Shipperley
Keith Gillespie
Chris Lucketti

 

[SwissBlade]

We did have a fair few old players.

Brian Deane
Craig Short
David Unsworth
Chris Morgan
Neil Shipperley
Keith Gillespie
Chris Lucketti

Horsefield
Akinbyi

 

[Robbie]

I've got to share the concerns that we are handing out a 3 year deal to a striker.

Yes Cresswell has never used pace or finesse as part of his game, but it is a position that is a high risk for such an age.
I'm more than happy he has signed an extension, it's just the length that is a concern.

 

[Foxy]

No chance, I'd seen Walker play and could see the potential.

Just as others had seen Ched play and seen potential, being a striker, with more games under his belt (domestically and internationally) would give him increased potential value.

You're tortuously trying to advance an argument that's never going to stack up as far as Walker is concerned because we'd seen him play.

I'm not sure that it's an arguement, more a discussion of your opinions, I've watched Walker for a long time and as I said before, given the choice I wouldn't have sold him, I don't disagree on that.

I don't want Chedwyn gone anyway. He's either going to be the kind of comedy gold he was in the last home match or he'll shock us all and score a few goals.

Changed your mind then?

 

[JohnDenver]

I'd also suggest 3 years is very generous, but I'm pleased he's been rewarded. Fact is we don't know the details of the contract. We might be paying him less in exchange for the length of term. Who knows?

He doesn't seem like the sort of player (Keef-like) to sit back with a cigar on. And I hope he'll be OK in this division at 35, in the Steve Claridge style.

 

[puppet]

For me, the most harrowing thing about this thread is realisng he's 32. Seems like only yesterday he was lining up with Lampard, Gerrard, Woodhouse, Quinn and Morris at the McAlpine for England u21s ;-)

 

[Revolution]

3 years will probably end up being a year too long, so to speak, but if he can get double figures again - and there's no reason why he can't - he'll be good to have around.

 

[Robbie]

Just as others had seen Ched play and seen potential, being a striker, with more games under his belt (domestically and internationally) would give him increased potential value.

Potential maybe, but Walker had already proven he could fit into our team - so Walker was the lesser of the risks.

 

[Grecian2000]

I'm struggling to see what there is to argue about in Lens post.

Ahh, but It's a classic BIL (Because it's Len) style thread.

I am glad Creswell has been rewarded for the season he has had, he deserved something for his efforts. I think three years is too long at his age (as I did with Morgan) and appears to go against the re-profiling we were setting out to do a couple of years ago.