Neil Warnocks selective memory/talking out of his arse

[Dkc]

As a young man he was playing for Chesterfield at 18/19 after playing at a good level in Saturday football. He certainly wasn't a regular at BL or away games from 66 onwards.

I must read his book one day

 

[Sean Thornton]

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Well it's not "How to make friends and influence people" ......

As a young man though, playing football with a tennis ball.

 

[Dkc]

Well it's not "How to make friends and influence people" ......

As a young man though, playing football with a tennis ball.

I'm sure there's a bit where he talks about traveling down to see us away at Arsenal, I'll try and dig it out

 

[Sean Thornton]

I'm sure there's a bit where he talks about traveling down to see us away at Arsenal, I'll try and dig it out

Not saying he never went. But he's a bit of a romancer at times.

I've been to Highbury to watch us more than once though...... and a few other places. Never saw a Norwich City coach pass my house though.....






When did he ever look like that? Been some air brushing there.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Fair enough.

I think you are right that you have to try and compare like with like or the comparison loses any meaning. I agree that using our premier league average attendance is not a fair comparison.

The point is that Warnock is being accused of lying and exaggerating how much our attendance figures increased during his tenure (I.e doubled).

He isn’t lying. He’s playing it down. Successes he achieved on the pitch meant that our attendances were far more than doubled.

Just because Sean has decided that Premier League seasons somehow don’t count that doesn’t make Warnock a liar if he does choose to include them.

Would Sean Dyche and Eddie Howe be lying if they said they had massively increased attendances at Burnley and Bournemouth during their time there?

 

[grafikhaus]

Yes it was Warnocks fault we went down , his negative play cost big time, and I don’t get this thing about being a loyal blade. He only has love for one thing and that’s himself.

All down to Warnock? That season was a steady drip of bias against the Blades, starting in the very first game at home to Liverpool, Geary's goal at West Ham being inexplicably disallowed etc. And then the small matter of Tevez. The mistake United, QPR, Cardiff have made is not employing NW as a 'Red Adair' figure - get us promoted, he're a hefty reward and we part company. If this had been agreed at the outset, there's no need for any ill-feeling. A good manager in the second tier rarely makes the transition to the PL.

I've got many fond memories of NW's time here. At least his sides could battle - something up to CW arriving you can't say about previous managers. Let's face it, The Blades were never wanted in the PL. After every 2 minute cameo at the end of Match of the Day, Diane Abbott's love child (Garth Crooks) often used the (non) witticism 'Sheffield United, NGE.' (Not Good Enough). The much referred-to capitulation at Villa was a match where Villa were celebrating some anniversary, commemorative scarves were on every seat, there were almost 43k in the crowd and a Nuremburg Rally atmosphere. Most teams would have crumbled. By the time we played Wigan, there was no wiggle room yet we still got enough points (38) to keep many teams up in other seasons. We went down by one goal! Even a pitiful 3-point deduction for West Ham for blatant corruption would have seen them down, but the authorities weren't having that.

What a nasty bully who treats people with shitty distain and makes shit up about his greatness? Yeah, ok I'll take that.

Enough about Sean Bean.

 

[awblade]

We only scored 9 goals away from home in the often season...think that explains why we got relegated, and our style of play. Just checked, turned out it was only 8 away goals scored!

He did give us some great memories though, I absolutely loved 02-03 season as I'm sure all of you did. There were also a few other very boring seasons with him in charge too.

 

[grafikhaus]

The point is that Warnock is being accused of lying and exaggerating how much our attendance figures increased during his tenure (I.e doubled).

He isn’t lying. He’s playing it down. Successes he achieved on the pitch meant that our attendances were far more than doubled.

Just because Sean has decided that Premier League seasons somehow don’t count that doesn’t make Warnock a liar if he does choose to include them.

Would Sean Dyche and Eddie Howe be lying if they said they had massively increased attendances at Burnley and Bournemouth during their time there?

NW replaced Adrian Heath as manager on 2 December 1999. The previous season had been neither a great success or failure for United - finishing 8th in the second tier under Steve Bruce. And that's where it's easy to compare average crowds, all NWs seasons with us were in the second tier - except his final season in the PL.

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It wasn't as if - post-Warnock's appointment - our crowds received an immediate uplift. His first two home games were Portsmouth (10,834) and Blackburn (10,437). Other home crowds later that season included QPR (11,554), Grimsby (11,612) and Crewe (9,923). Doubled or not, including the PL season are not, It can't be argued that crowds under NW's tenure didn't increase dramatically.

 

[Revolution]

We only scored 9 goals away from home in the often season...think that explains why we got relegated, and our style of play. Just checked, turned out it was only 8 away goals scored!

He did give us some great memories though, I absolutely loved 02-03 season as I'm sure all of you did. There were also a few other very boring seasons with him in charge too.

All 8 goals in were scored in separate games. We never scored twice:

Wigan 1-0 (Hulse)
Newcastle 1-0 (Webber)
Watford 1-0 (Webber)
Charlton 1-1 (Stead, the only goal we ever scored in the black and white kit I think)
Blackburn 1-2 (Stead)
Middlesbrough 1-3 (Jagielka pen)
Portsmouth 1-3 (Hulse)
Reading 1-3 (Nade)

We lost away to everyone in the top 12.

2 seasons later Hull showed Warnock that if you actually try to attack away from home you can surprise a few teams and pick up points. By and large we were dismal and defensive away to the top clubs, with the exception of the Man U game where we were robbed.

 

[Revolution]

NW replaced Adrian Heath as manager on 2 December 1999. The previous season had been neither a great success or failure for United - finishing 8th in the second tier under Steve Bruce. And that's where it's easy to compare average crowds, all NWs seasons with us were in the second tier - except his final season in the PL.

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It wasn't as if - post-Warnock's appointment - our crowds received an immediate uplift. His first two home games were Portsmouth (10,834) and Blackburn (10,437). Other home crowds later that season included QPR (11,554), Grimsby (11,612) and Crewe (9,923). Doubled or not, including the PL season are not, It can't be argued that crowds under NW's tenure didn't increase dramatically.

As I said upthread after the first year of really poor crowds - when the sales of all our good players by McDonald/Green had really worn the support down - our attendance position relative to other teams in the division didn't change a lot until the promotion season. Crowds were going up everywhere:

1999-2000 15th
2000-01 7th
2001-02 9th
2002-03 9th
2003-04 7th
2004-05 9th
2005-06 5th

Having said that, the big spike between 2005 and 2007 is due to promotion, so Warnock deserves credit for that.

 

[metalblade]

Not read this thread but looks to me like Warnock is doing what he is good at dividing opinion once again. It is over ten years ago that we parted company I can't work out why some are obsessed by the bloke all this time later.
I remember seeing him in Meadowhall signing his book and the wife said are you going to buy the book and get him to sign it ? I told her no I don't give a fuck about Neil Warnock or his book which puzzled her at the time as their was a queue of blokes waiting to get books signed. Marmite you either love it or hate it much the same with Colin, nothing changes with the guy every place he goes has the best set of lads he's ever managed or the best set of fans in the world (until they turn on him) he really is a footballing dinosaur who will only ever achieve short term success as he can't adapt to the higher standards the premier league requires. As ever he only has a plan A.

 

[Pinchy]

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When did he ever look like that? Been some air brushing there.

Nose brushing...

 

[BettingBlade]

Bit Harsh.

I always thought the injury to Rob Hulse played a big part in Utds relegation. He looked awesome and we never replaced him.
The Jan signings actually got people excited ( remember Shelton against Man Utd). Shame they never took off.
Tevez was a real nightmare situation and Warnock had a right to be aggrieved. Rules were broken and the punishment way too soft.

In the end Warnock and it can be proved he just can’t cut it in the top league which is a real shame as he is awesome at getting teams in it.

But we were about 9 points clear in March with winnable games ahead of us. The Tevez thing really should have been irrelevant.

Shelton made that one impact against Man U when the game was already lost. Hardly a game changer.

If warnock had taken just a tiny bit of responsibility then he would have left with some dignity. Unfortunately his head is too far up his own arse to acknowledge anything like that.