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Jan Molby, Malcolm McDonald, Billy Whitehurst, Dean Windass,Glyn Hodges, Yaya Toure, Ian Botham, any heavyweight boxer.

Stocky builds as fit as fleas.

Higdon and Baxter are not overweight, a criticism always mentioned when they don't play at their top level.

I can also think of thousands of very thin poor footballers.

Calling a professional fat is a big insult. Look at Higdon scoring goals on YouTube, he was the same size then. Baxter is only 22, it's just how he is.

I also know loads of fast, lively players who run around a lot and yet can't pass the ball and have no footballing sense.

 



If the picture of Higdon someone posted last week was from last season, I don't think there's any doubt he's put weight on in the last 12 months.
 
Baxter makes up for his bulk with his first touch, passing ability, shot power and shot technique.

Higdon is a lump with the first touch of a brick wall, the passing ability of a shotgun and well I'm yet to see him have a shot with his feet.
 
Worksop_Blade said:
Baxter makes up for his bulk with his first touch, passing ability, shot power and shot technique.

Higdon is a lump with the first touch of a brick wall, the passing ability of a shotgun and well I'm yet to see him have a shot with his feet.
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No but hes put three peaches of goals away with his head (the disallowed one Saturday counted it was onside)
 
Woodwardfan said:
Jan Molby, Malcolm McDonald, Billy Whitehurst, Dean Windass,Glyn Hodges, Yaya Toure, Ian Botham, any heavyweight boxer.

Stocky builds as fit as fleas.

Higdon and Baxter are not overweight, a criticism always mentioned when they don't play at their top level.

I can also think of thousands of very thin poor footballers.

Calling a professional fat is a big insult. Look at Higdon scoring goals on YouTube, he was the same size then. Baxter is only 22, it's just how he is.

I also know loads of fast, lively players who run around a lot and yet can't pass the ball and have no footballing sense.
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Another World Class player

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Woodwardfan said:
Jan Molby, Malcolm McDonald, Billy Whitehurst, Dean Windass,Glyn Hodges, Yaya Toure, Ian Botham, any heavyweight boxer.

Stocky builds as fit as fleas.

Higdon and Baxter are not overweight, a criticism always mentioned when they don't play at their top level.

I can also think of thousands of very thin poor footballers.

Calling a professional fat is a big insult. Look at Higdon scoring goals on YouTube, he was the same size then. Baxter is only 22, it's just how he is.

I also know loads of fast, lively players who run around a lot and yet can't pass the ball and have no footballing sense.
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Is your point that these players had good attributes, or that they had great stamina and work rate?

Of course there are differences in fitness among footballers. Genetics is a limitation for many of them, as is injury proneness and age. Some are good at putting in extra training. The likes of Davies and Campbell Ryce are obviously doing a lot of extra strength training, others are doing extra running sessions. Then there are others that turn up for training, and go home when it's finished. There are also huge differences among players' diets and drinking habits.
 
Francis Lee was a fat little bastard. Tommy Smith and Ted indeed Hemsley were similarly not sylphlike. But in Lee, he had 90 minutes of graft in him and a shedload of goals, and Smith and Hemsley were just engines on legs.

But look at Deano. 6 foot four and about fifteen stone. He wasn't as quick as Walcot, but he had the ability to be in the box, readjust his stance and get to the ball to score some blinding goals. Higdon lumbers about, largely anonymous in games and fails in all aspect to impose himself as a centre forward. It's a shame, because looking at that first game and that goal he scored, I actually thought, "Hey up. We have a striker here who can put the fear of shit into opposition defences and give summat our wingers - Flynn, Murphy, Davies - can aim for. Newcastle United's wingers didn't really have to think when they got wide, round the opposition's full backs and smacked the ball invitingly across the box. They knew Alan Shearer would be within three feet of the ball and invariably if he got to it, it would be bulging the net out. I expect that from a centre forward, any centre forward. Hidgerson came here with this 'he scored 17 last season' tag, but that means bollocks if you have been at the club quite a while now and have failed to make a mark.

pommpey
 
Woodwardfan said:
Jan Molby, Malcolm McDonald, Billy Whitehurst, Dean Windass,Glyn Hodges, Yaya Toure, Ian Botham, any heavyweight boxer.

Stocky builds as fit as fleas.

Higdon and Baxter are not overweight, a criticism always mentioned when they don't play at their top level.

I can also think of thousands of very thin poor footballers.

Calling a professional fat is a big insult. Look at Higdon scoring goals on YouTube, he was the same size then. Baxter is only 22, it's just how he is.

I also know loads of fast, lively players who run around a lot and yet can't pass the ball and have no footballing sense.
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So you take a lot of overweight or stocky build people and say Higdon is great because his natural frame is that of a larger man. I ought to take this as a positive and dust my boots off. I'm afraid I don't I just see it as another convoluted way of saying positive things in the face of other evidence to the contrary.

Fact is imagine how much quicker, better, sharper he would be if he shed a stone.

I find it an insult that when you are paid to be the best you can at a sport you choose to go out and consume food and drink that has totally the opposite effect. It's like me going to work passed and saying I get drunk easily so you should accept it. I am paid to be professional as is Higdon. He should be professional and if the sacrifice for that it more time in the gym and less in the dripping shop then so be it.

I almost admire your way of being positive in spite of overwhelming opposite evidence. The evidence is Higdon is proving to be a fat bloke masquerading as a centre forward. Here's hoping he comes back and proves me wrong.
 
Has anyone calling Michael Higdon fat actually seen him close up, in the flesh?
 
Foxy said:
Has anyone calling Michael Higdon fat actually seen him close up, in the flesh?
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There wont be quite as many calling him fat to his face, that's for sure...:)

UTB
 
Puskas, Maradonna, were both of a similar build to Baxter, it didn't seem to hinder their careers in the slightest, and Pele was no skinny ribs either......
 



Bladesway said:
So you take a lot of overweight or stocky build people and say Higdon is great because his natural frame is that of a larger man. I ought to take this as a positive and dust my boots off. I'm afraid I don't I just see it as another convoluted way of saying positive things in the face of other evidence to the contrary.

Fact is imagine how much quicker, better, sharper he would be if he shed a stone.

I find it an insult that when you are paid to be the best you can at a sport you choose to go out and consume food and drink that has totally the opposite effect. It's like me going to work passed and saying I get drunk easily so you should accept it. I am paid to be professional as is Higdon. He should be professional and if the sacrifice for that it more time in the gym and less in the dripping shop then so be it.

I almost admire your way of being positive in spite of overwhelming opposite evidence. The evidence is Higdon is proving to be a fat bloke masquerading as a centre forward. Here's hoping he comes back and proves me wrong.
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Why not just read the OP to tell exactly what I'm saying?

All I said was that he has a stocky build and is fit, not fat. Plus the fact some great sportsmen and some good past Blades have been stocky.

Anyway, I must say Higgdon' s goals v B.City and Gillingham were sublime and I hope the sign of things to come. Love to see a header glanced away from the keeper and a striker get in front of a defender at the near post and divert it in.

As for Baxter he's just our best player IMO.
 
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The point is the staff at the club are saying Higdon is not fit, repeatedly, and I think they are in a better position to judge. You only have to look at the pics below to see he is carrying more weight than he was when playing for his previous club.

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Cyprus Blade said:
The point is the staff at the club are saying Higdon is not fit, repeatedly, and I think they are in a better position to judge. You only have to look at the pics below to see he is carrying more weight than he was when playing for his previous club.

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Inconclusive! Sometimes the camera throws a bad light on me late at night!o_O Red stripes are less complimentary than green too!

BTW are the management saying he's not fit now? Surely not.:eek:
 
Woodwardfan said:
Inconclusive! Sometimes the camera throws a bad light on me late at night!o_O Red stripes are less complimentary than green too!

BTW are the management saying he's not fit now? Surely not.:eek:
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Yeah Clough said last week that he's not expecting to see the best out of him until Christmas.

in fairness, Higdon can be as lean or as fat as he wants as long as he's banging goals in, but with tackles like the other day and with not being match fit we won't see the best of him.

Someone needs to show him Henderson and BT (second spell) to give him a kick up the arse on how missing games = 0 goals in those games.

As always, we need our best players on the pitch. We need 11 players on the pitch, not 10
 
Ok Swiss, but I think there's a difference between match fitness and weight. Surely he is physically fit now.

Match fitness and adjusting to English football is a different matter.

Anyone who hopes to see him a stone lighter will be disappointed.

We have ourselves a highly skilled goalscorer who turns as slowly as an oil tanker and just is not one of those players who can run the channels or even across the front line. He positions himself in positions to score goals, and he will score plenty. In fact he's not got a bad scoring record with us already.

Fully agree about red cards but I suppose it shows he's up for it and ready to fight for his place.
 
Woodwardfan said:
Ok Swiss, but I think there's a difference between match fitness and weight. Surely he is physically fit now.

Match fitness and adjusting to English football is a different matter.

Anyone who hopes to see him a stone lighter will be disappointed.

We have ourselves a highly skilled goalscorer who turns as slowly as an oil tanker and just is not one of those players who can run the channels or even across the front line. He positions himself in positions to score goals, and he will score plenty. In fact he's not got a bad scoring record with us already.

Fully agree about red cards but I suppose it shows he's up for it and ready to fight for his place.
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I don't think he 'needs' to shift any timber, but it probably wouldn't do him any harm. Personally I think he looks a decent player, but there are edges to his game that need sorting

Putting that tackle in on Saturday reminded me of BT down at Exeter. Late and reckless, which suggests to me that he's a yard or two off the pace still.

You would've thought by now that he would be fully match fit, but haven't seen enough of him to know that... In fact he couldn't manage 90 mins on Saturday
 
Woodwardfan said:
Ok Swiss, but I think there's a difference between match fitness and weight. Surely he is physically fit now.

Match fitness and adjusting to English football is a different matter.

Anyone who hopes to see him a stone lighter will be disappointed.

We have ourselves a highly skilled goalscorer who turns as slowly as an oil tanker and just is not one of those players who can run the channels or even across the front line. He positions himself in positions to score goals, and he will score plenty. In fact he's not got a bad scoring record with us already.

Fully agree about red cards but I suppose it shows he's up for it and ready to fight for his place.
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One day the penny will drop with our fans - he's a highly skilled goalscorer. Goals as a ratio to playing time highly satisfactory since he's been with us.
 
Interesting fact about Baxter. In every game we have lost this season, he never started. He came on as sub on 86 and 61 in the first two games but never played against Swindon or Chesterfield.
 
Worksop_Blade said:
Baxter makes up for his bulk with his first touch, passing ability, shot power and shot technique.

Higdon is a lump with the first touch of a brick wall, the passing ability of a shotgun and well I'm yet to see him have a shot with his feet.
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Check the Foxy vids from last night and you can tick that one off your checklst.


P.S.

First touch looked pretty decent last night and laid off a couple of nice passes to JCR
 
SouthEssexBlade said:
Check the Foxy vids from last night and you can tick that one off your checklst.


P.S.

First touch looked pretty decent last night and laid off a couple of nice passes to JCR
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He also scored a right footed peach at the near post v. Gillingham. Got across the front of the defender and guided it in at an angle. Set up the big finish that day too.
 
Woodwardfan said:
He also scored a right footed peach at the near post v. Gillingham. Got across the front of the defender and guided it in at an angle. Set up the big finish that day too.
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He looked reasonable enough in his brief cameo last night, Woody. His first attempt at a header was laughable, but he settled down and held it up quite well. His presence on the pitch (one for Bergen Blade to look at) caused MK Dons to go much tighter and narrower at the back, which created space wide for both Murphy and JCR which created the chances for both goals. He aint John Francis quick across the floor, but that's not what he's here for.
 
Woodwardfan said:
Glyn Hodges
Stocky builds as fit as fleas.

Higdon not overweight
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Glyn Hodges stocky build :?
I assume this is some bloke you know and not the ex United player who was tall and slim.
Higdon not fat :?
When he signed he had a double chin!

Still.
Makes about as much sense as Baxter a footballer.
 
Check out Higdon s Involvement in Murphy s last minute winner when he ran past all those defenders against Gillingham. I'm not just talking about the touch on but the movement after.
 



Bergen Blade said:
Is your point that these players had good attributes, or that they had great stamina and work rate?

Of course there are differences in fitness among footballers. Genetics is a limitation for many of them, as is injury proneness and age. Some are good at putting in extra training. The likes of Davies and Campbell Ryce are obviously doing a lot of extra strength training, others are doing extra running sessions. Then there are others that turn up for training, and go home when it's finished. There are also huge differences among players' diets and drinking habits.
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And there are some who dont
 
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