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Another season in Division 3 will be disastrous for the club, a lot of fans have had enough and the club will be seeing gates drop to around 14-15k, we are currently averaging 19k and on par with Wendy for home supporters per attendance, its fantastic support for as a club that has been in this god-for-saken league for so long.

Clough can only blame himself now that the majority of fans have turned on him, no wonder he has a nickname of 'None league Nigel' he's stubborn, falls out with players all the time, negative to an extreme, he's now embarrassing himself weekly with his after match comments (plod on, good away point, slagging players, blaming height) its amateurish. every decent manager knows not to pick players out after games. Also leaving Flynn on the pitch for 15 minutes whilst being injured is dog and duck standards, hamstrings only get worse, so Flynn injury which could have seen him out for a couple of weeks will now be around 4-6 weeks. Whilst all this was going on Clough and Garner were arguing with fans in the south stand, he should have taken Flynn off anyhow not Done but when Flynn pulled up he should have taken him straight off, this would have enabled the ten players to get their heads around defending our 1 goal lead. It was shambolic management. Our set pieces at both ends of the pitch are shocking, 78 corners in our last 11 games have produced one goal, we cant defend free kicks and corners which is all down to poor coaching. Our play is set up not to concede and keep the ball but there is no tempo when we get it, its all so laborious, ponderous and teams get 9 players behind the ball easily. My Derby pals warned me of what would happen with Clough at the helm.

Going forward the board have two choices, sack Clough now to give the new manager time to assess what he has and maybe give the team a boost (ala Barnsley) or stick with Clough and let him fall on his sword, a new manager would struggle with a squad of small weak players who are constantly out muscled and don't show any signs of determination. They look like they don't want to play for Clough but that stems from him falling out with them, pulling them down in public ect. If we let Clough fall on his sword, remove him at the end of the season (I do hope I'm wrong but I've wrote off going up) then get the new man in place asap (Warburton is my choice). Also a fresh backroom team including the removal of Morgs so he can seek a fresh challenge and gain some experience.

The board and Mr McCabe are business men and struggle to make good footballing decisions, the Ched Evans debacle sums the club up. Its all so depressing and seems to get worse by the week, the players do need to take some of the blame as they can raise themselves for big cup games but let their standards drop for the bread and butter matches, the only thing that is premier league about our club is the fans and most of them have had enough.
 



glad you mentioned the dingles, 18 pts from 18 pts i am led to believe from a young manager who seems to be able to get the best out of his players that were spiralling towards relegation, without slagging them off in interviews,maybe its just new manager syndrome but i fear we will get blown out of the dreaded play offs by one of our near neighbours how embarrasing a thought
 
I hear that flash blade, especially the second paragraph and the last one as well really.

But Warburton has taken Brentford to 6th in the championship. He's available in the summer but before all that he was linked with the QPR job, any Championship side will be glad to get him on board, whatever makes you think he'd come here?

The criticisms of Clough on this board are generally valid but they tend to come with either no solution or some fairly delusional ones. The same happens every time a manager is under pressure. How many better managers have we had lately? A lot of people seem to have very short memories.
 
Last season that Nigel Clough bloke got 21 points out of 21 without conceding one single goal.

He's wank now though.

Yup. 21 points out of 21 over seven games. Can't argue with that. Except Clough has had considerably more than seven League games in charge - 67, in fact. This has yielded a total of 108 points, so while we're cherry-picking, that's an average of 1.6 points per game, or 74 points over a 46-game season. Factor in the biggest budget and crowds in the division, and this season (extremely weak), we may scrape the play-offs.

Not good enough.
 
Yup. 21 points out of 21 over seven games. Can't argue with that. Except Clough has had considerably more than seven League games in charge - 67, in fact. This has yielded a total of 108 points, so while we're cherry-picking, that's an average of 1.6 points per game, or 74 points over a 46-game season. Factor in the biggest budget and crowds in the division, and this season (extremely weak), we may scrape the play-offs.

Not good enough.

I wasn't being sarcastic.
 
Last season that Nigel Clough bloke got 21 points out of 21 without conceding one single goal.

He's wank now though.

Which is why you need to have an end game when picking a new manager. Most managers will give you a boost but you need to select one who has achived what you are ultimately looking to achieve.
 
I think we are losing momento week by week now, and there has been nothing in our recent performances to offer much hope. I understand that we didn't play too bad against Scunthorpe but were still unable to put them to the sword. I just cannot see the board sacking Nigel and we will have to see where we are at the end of the season. Warburton is a good but unrealistic shout, cannot see him coming up north unless it is to a Championship/Premier side. Even if we miss out, I still think the board will stick with NC next season which ultimately may be the right thing to do. I agree with most of the what the OP has written, another season in this league will see crowds dip to 14/15k.
 
I'd be happy to have Weir back as a number 2. He's clearly and intelligent footballing man who just isn't cut out for management.

As for Clough, I don't believe he's the type to fall on his sword. I think he needs a good shove.
 
I'd be happy to have Weir back as a number 2. He's clearly and intelligent footballing man who just isn't cut out for management.

As for Clough, I don't believe he's the type to fall on his sword. I think he needs a good shove.

Are there any managers these days that fall on there sword?

It's not really surprising with how much money they get for getting sacked.
 



Are there any managers these days that fall on there sword?

It's not really surprising with how much money they get for getting sacked.

Fair point, but he stuck around at Burton for ages and he's always struck me as someone who will keep going until he's achieved all he can.
 
Yup. 21 points out of 21 over seven games. Can't argue with that. Except Clough has had considerably more than seven League games in charge - 67, in fact. This has yielded a total of 108 points, so while we're cherry-picking, that's an average of 1.6 points per game, or 74 points over a 46-game season. Factor in the biggest budget and crowds in the division, and this season (extremely weak), we may scrape the play-offs.

Not good enough.

So see where this young up and coming manager is after 67 league games. At an overall 51.76% win ratio, Clough is our second best ever behind Danny Wilson (51.89% from 106 matches). Victory on Tuesday will take the win ratio above 52%. That young and upcoming manager had a win ratio at Oldham of 35% which is virtually the same as Clough had at Derby. In over 10 years at Burton, Clough had a win ratio of 43%.

We can all cherry pick stats to suit.
 
So see where this young up and coming manager is after 67 league games. At an overall 51.76% win ratio, Clough is our second best ever behind Danny Wilson (51.89% from 106 matches). Victory on Tuesday will take the win ratio above 52%. That young and upcoming manager had a win ratio at Oldham of 35% which is virtually the same as Clough had at Derby. In over 10 years at Burton, Clough had a win ratio of 43%.

We can all cherry pick stats to suit.

The best stat for a manager is number of promotions. Hopefully clough overtakes Wilson on that front.
 
The best stat for a manager is number of promotions. Hopefully clough overtakes Wilson on that front.
I wouldnt think that nigel clough would want to use that yard stick of promotions.
I am not sure if he is the right guy but we as a club have trusted him with a lot of money and a large player turnover so I think we have to stick with him now and hope it comes good x
 
Five games ago we were going to crowbar our way into the top two. Now, having had a poor run, most fans want Clough sacked.

As an exile, many friends of mine who support other clubs often comment on our excellent support (admittedly viewed via our recent cup runs) but what saddens me is the way in which our fans are tearing each other apart because the team are not performing as expected. Yes it is frustrating & I was as disappointed and annoyed as anyone at the recent home defeats but now is the time to be united and back the team, management and board to the hilt for the remainder of the season.

Regardless of what people are paid, a negative atmosphere only serves to make doing your job more difficult. This is as true in football as it is in life. Let's leave our personal feelings aside as we approach the final quarter of the season and get behind the Blades as we are more formidable United. UTB
 
So see where this young up and coming manager is after 67 league games. At an overall 51.76% win ratio, Clough is our second best ever behind Danny Wilson (51.89% from 106 matches). Victory on Tuesday will take the win ratio above 52%. That young and upcoming manager had a win ratio at Oldham of 35% which is virtually the same as Clough had at Derby. In over 10 years at Burton, Clough had a win ratio of 43%.

We can all cherry pick stats to suit.

So you choose win ratio's ahead of promotions?

Unfortunately there's only one stat that matters.
Points over 46 games
 
Five games ago we were going to crowbar our way into the top two. Now, having had a poor run, most fans want Clough sacked.

As an exile, many friends of mine who support other clubs often comment on our excellent support (admittedly viewed via our recent cup runs) but what saddens me is the way in which our fans are tearing each other apart because the team are not performing as expected. Yes it is frustrating & I was as disappointed and annoyed as anyone at the recent home defeats but now is the time to be united and back the team, management and board to the hilt for the remainder of the season.

Regardless of what people are paid, a negative atmosphere only serves to make doing your job more difficult. This is as true in football as it is in life. Let's leave our personal feelings aside as we approach the final quarter of the season and get behind the Blades as we are more formidable United. UTB

I agree in principle to your post, but surely it is a two way street. The fans want more than anything for the team to be successful and would not take a great deal of encouraging to create the kind of atmosphere you talk about. In fact the fans are crying out for something to cheer about, just a show of passion, effort and never say die attitude from the team would lift the gloom. Even if results don't go our way, fans want to see players on the field giving everything and knowing that it means as much to them as it does to those on the terraces.

Irrespective of systems, bad luck, errors, lack of height and injuries, the effort, desire and pride should remain constant. Fans rightly expect to see players giving 100% and currently that just isn't happening and why is a matter for speculation?

So Utd, roll your sleeves up, show us you love the club, play every game like it's your last and the fans will raise the roof
 
I think Lee Johnson has every chance of being a really good manager. I was talking to someone who worked on the coaching side at Oldham and he rated him really highly indeed.

However, Barnsley have had a pretty gentle run of games since he took over (Crewe, Scunthorpe, Coventry, Gillingham, Walsall, Oldham - and yes I know some of those are opponents we've failed against) so perhaps we should wait a little bit longer before deciding he's the new messiah.
 
Irrespective of systems, bad luck, errors, lack of height and injuries, the effort, desire and pride should remain constant. Fans rightly expect to see players giving 100% and currently that just isn't happening and why is a matter for speculation?

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