My take ...

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pommpey said:
Most of Norwood's pings are either intercepted or if they do find the winger, it gets passed backwards and recycled. It's pointless football.

But, y'know. Some people think he's fucking Pirlo

pommpey
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Sorry going to have to disagree with you Pomps especially in last 2-3 games. Norwood threaded Brewster through for both the red cards. He assisted Robinson with a pinpoint free kick.

Against Posh he should have got 2 assists by putting the ball on a plate for Egan who criminally blazed his header over from point blank range.

He then pressed and intercepted and put Sharp through 1 on 1 which Sharp fluffed.

Since Fulham Ndiaye has tried hard but for very little/no outcome.

Rate Ndiaye as a huge prospect but in last few games he honestly hasn't been fit to lace Norwood's boots in all honesty.
 
pommpey said:
I see you're back in a 'My take ... ' thread desperately trying to score points off me, rather than the match itself. A it like your funny-as-haemorrhoids memes you keep posting up regarding the buttons, you're just a wee bit tragic and transparent in your output, as ever. Because you and I don't share an opinion about a footballer's performance, you're here again making a shit job of trying to play to an audience you think you have. Note - many on here disagree with me about Norwood. I get it. Many others provide their own version of events and whys and wherefores. I get that too. Then there's you, and some others (and Silent, bless him) who don't even mention the match, what you think Norwood did to get more than the mark I gave him and won't be happy with a simple difference in opinion. You must be a fucking great laff in the pub with all your Blades supporting mates, eh? Best they agree, or you'll be in their face all evening.

As before, your input is only valid if you can tell us why you disagree. Posting shit memes up and trying to be dead clever doesn't work. It won't change my opinion or my belief that you're just a pointless, ridiculous troll who maybe doesn't even understand football as a game, hence your lack of factual input or reasoned debate. Give Silent some credit, at least sometimes he sounds like he knows what he's on about. You? Never.

pommpey
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I've explained in several previous posts why I believe you have an agenda against Norwood. Apparently I'm a "fan boy" who gets an erection over his performances even though he's clearly needed replacing for two seasons, as I've stated many times, yet I'm the troll. He's a good player who makes the team tick and his range of passing is excellent although the inability of our wing backs to make anything of his balls into perfect attacking positions is his fault, as is not being Michael Brown, what an odd reference. He's pretty paceless, not a brilliant tackler and not great in the air, these are facts that no one tries to defend. Having a decent box to box midfielder playing alongside him would help instead of an on the wane Fleck, Hourihane and Berge. Your constant incompatible poor marks for his performances are the reasons I respond to your overly self indulgent 'my take'. Nothing more, nothing less. Lose the anger, you'll feel better.
 
jono_t2000 said:
Sorry going to have to disagree with you Pomps especially in last 2-3 games. Norwood threaded Brewster through for both the red cards. He assisted Robinson with a pinpoint free kick.

Against Posh he should have got 2 assists by putting the ball on a plate for Egan who criminally blazed his header over from point blank range.

He then pressed and intercepted and put Sharp through 1 on 1 which Sharp fluffed.

Since Fulham Ndiaye has tried hard but for very little/no outcome.

Rate Ndiaye as a huge prospect but in last few games he honestly hasn't been fit to lace Norwood's boots in all honesty.
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Whilst I agree with his more central work, which he is seemingly recognising as a better way of delivery, he still has the tendency to ping the wings once too often. Don't forget, RND and Boges creeping up the flanks stretches their backline and midfield. It opens up the pitch and the 'channels' especially. Norwood's passes to thread in Brewster in are evidence of that. There was a time last year when every single time Norwood had the ball and found time to control, stop and look up it was always that one over the top to the wing backs. When I did my coaching course my instructor always told me, "make your game unpredictable". His game is far from that and in that pivot role you can't afford to be read so easily. If Norwood finds extra tools in his bag such as running forward ten metres into space, playing swift one twos with his co-midfielders whilst advancing or even dropping the shoulder and going past a player, then he becomes more of what is needed. Chris Basham is a Centre Back by trade now. How does he do this so effortlessly? Basham has all the attributes Norwood needs, but as we know, he can't play as good in midfield. He is difficult to get the ball off, his positional movement when he is jockeying makes it difficult for the opposition to get past him (although I was disappointed in him once on Saturday to be honest), his tackling timing is excellent and he goes from his RCB position into the opposition's penalty area utilising his team mates and dragging opposition players out as he goes. He is also super-composed on the ball with a toolkit of skills and deftness to retain possession. Every pass is well thought out and he rarely makes a rash, shit-or-bust delivery just for the sake of it. He also, on the ball, looks up at all available options and utilises them. As said, he's a Centre Back. If Norwood can't do that in midfield and is basically just a ball kicker, what the fuck is he doing in our side?

I feel that is we were to sign a more complete midfielder in Norwood's position everyone would understand better. That area is somewhere we have habitually been short changed on for decades with only small gifts of players who have made the difference. The shortcomings Norwood has in his game are occluded by the small, net-gain-equally small (over time) incidents he delivers which make him look a lot better than he actually is. A few passes and decent crosses against poor sides will still need more added to it to make me believe he is worthy of remaining in the summer. We deserve better. Norwood is, and has been inconsistent and recent outings, although better, will need consolidation in these upcoming difficult weeks. And he needs to score a goal or two. For someone with such supposed feet of magic, I have seen him smash too many shots into the terraces this season.

pommpey
 
pommpey said:
Because that is what midfielders do, Sitwell. Not just Michael Brown, either. Kevin De Bruyne, N'Golo Kante and Fabinho all pick the ball up and move forward. Norwood does this:

1. Hangs back, just in front of Egan usually
2. Calls for and receives the ball from Egan
3. Turns and looks up, mainly to the wings (great clue everyone ... he's gonna lump it)
4. Lumps it to a wingback out wide, who has two players closing him down already

Against Luton at Bramall Lane, he picked the ball up inside the centre circle and twenty metres of open pitch lay before him. If he'd have started a run through this space, he'd have made at least fifteen of that and been at their penalty area in four seconds, drawing opposition players in, exposing space behind to run into and giving opportunity to lay in a pass. It took him a fucking age to start his engine and realise he had open pitch before him and still laid it wide after faltering. It's so fucking wasteful. If that is Basham doing that, he's up the pitch like a rat up a drainpipe.

Norwood might raise a lob for you with his fancy-dan 'pings' which are the stuff of yesterday but positionally, commitedly and tactically he's nowhere what we need to go forward. He's had a few passable games against ostensibly inferior opposition. I want more. He won't be able to give it mind.

pommpey
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Spot on, the way he refused to use that space that opened up for him in the Luton game was criminal, he could as you say have moved within shooting range which would have caused panic but he chose eventually to knock it out wide. I'm with you that some of these pings out wide don't help the team if the receiver has two men on him by the time it arrives. Norwood looks good when he is allowed time and space but most teams know to get a man in his face which make him a poor passenger. I will say one thing his corners and crossing was a huge improvement on what it has been most of the season most of them beat the first man.
 
metalblade said:
Spot on, the way he refused to use that space that opened up for him in the Luton game was criminal, he could as you say have moved within shooting range which would have caused panic but he chose eventually to knock it out wide. I'm with you that some of these pings out wide don't help the team if the receiver has two men on him by the time it arrives. Norwood looks good when he is allowed time and space but most teams know to get a man in his face which make him a poor passenger. I will say one thing his corners and crossing was a huge improvement on what it has been most of the season most of them beat the first man.
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100% agree with crossing and corners, although some are a bit 'lofted'. Woody (as a comparator) never lofted corners but drove them in, usually at the heads of oncoming players such as Flynn, Colquhoun, Salmons, Dearden and Currie.

But his delivery has been so much better. All we need is Berge to join the heading game, maybe?

pommpey
 
pommpey said:
100% agree with crossing and corners, although some are a bit 'lofted'. Woody (as a comparator) never lofted corners but drove them in, usually at the heads of oncoming players such as Flynn, Colquhoun, Salmons, Dearden and Currie.

But his delivery has been so much better. All we need is Berge to join the heading game, maybe?

pommpey
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Berge has to learn to keep his eyes open when attempting a header LOL
 
Big Hitter said:
Wouldn't place too much emphasis on TV pundits and commentators knowing everything about football. They are paid to gush over certain aspects of the match or different players. Too much downbeat talk from them doesn't go down well with the producers of these TV shows.
Good performance- not taking issue with marking - didn't see enough of game to dispute any. A bit worried that Billy is becoming too distracted by opposing fans comments and barracking. Seemed to direct a few expletives towards them after goal and when subbed.
Looking at fixtures for Feb. seems we have 5 or 6 games in 20 days. Is that right.? Injuries could be
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pommpey said:
Exactly. There are plenty of midfielders who attack from deep threading passes between them but above all else, retaining possession. Most of Norwood's pings are either intercepted or if they do find the winger, it gets passed backwards and recycled. It's pointless football.

But, y'know. Some people think he's fucking Pirlo

pommpey
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Don’t think he’s Pirlo

He’s Oli Norwood a championship player in his early thirties who has many attributes and flaws - who has also won promotion from that division with three clubs.

Don’t think he’s Hockey , Currie , Brown or the second or third coming.

He has some really good games and when he is on it he , imo, is one of the best midfielders in this division at doing what he does.

He doesn’t have pace - when he received the ball in space v Luton he didn’t run into the space (as we would expect Fleck to do) as and he did look lost . Don’t see that as his game . Wish he had this attribute but if he did he wouldn’t be at the Blades.

Think he does what he does very well , I think he is treated harshly even when he has a very good game and his misgivings are often highlighted rather than the positives .

I think that against other players he doesn’t get a fair deal .

He will have poor games and better games - but Saturday he was outstanding - don’t care if it’s Peterborough or the Red Lion - he was outstanding and yes he did have a shot that went into row Z

If only he was perfect

Currie passed the ball 30 yards to the feet of teammates and was deemed a god - Norwood does it and he’s a dud

Anyway

Onwards and hopefully upwards hey
 
Bell4 said:
Currie passed the ball 30 yards to the feet of teammates and was deemed a god - Norwood does it and he’s a dud
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Currie would drop the ball onto the advancing Alan Woodward/Gil Reece/Stewart Scullion/Geoff Salmons who would run on and score because it was open pitch to goal in front. That's the difference.

Seeing Bogle or RND out on the touchline isn't an automatic signal to wind back the old right foot and clip one stylishly over everyone's heads. These days opposition RB/LB drop then advance as the ball is in the air supported by the RM/LM to close down the recipient and shut off his forward facing options. The only option is backwards. It's then passed across the back and back to Norwood and up the other side. Less frequently with that bit these days but it is 'pointless football'. If I am defending against that and United are getting nowhere then I'm happy.

pommpey
 
Just to change the topic a little, I think RND is doing all right now. Not world beating by any means. Will never get that dream move to Madrid. And not as good as Stevens when he was playing well on our rise to the Prem. And maybe not as good as Dan Lafferty was for us. But much, much better than the travesty that Stevens has been for the last 18 months. Should be first pick at left wing back from now on I reckon.
 
Cheesebored said:
I've explained in several previous posts why I believe you have an agenda against Norwood.
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No you haven't. You've just put funny as fuck memes up that no one gets, or finds funny. You've not explained why you believe I apparently have 'an agenda'.

Apparently I'm a "fan boy" who gets an erection over his performances even though he's clearly needed replacing for two seasons, as I've stated many times, yet I'm the troll.
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Yeah, you are. Because without prompting, you make this post not about United, or Oliver Norwood, but about me. If that's not trolling, then I don't know what is.

He's a good player who makes the team tick and his range of passing is excellent although the inability of our wing backs to make anything of his balls into perfect attacking positions is his fault, as is not being Michael Brown, what an odd reference.
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And that's where your analysis varies from mine. He no more makes the team tick as much as he ends up being passed around in midfield and as for range of passing, aside of lumping it to a marked wingback (or sometimes not even that far) or a ten metre back-and-forth training-pass in midfield, for the majority of his time at United we've seen nothing. Recently he's been experimenting with feeding the ball to a running Brewster, an option which has been available quite a lot since he signed. He's also put one or two decent crosses in, which is nice because for the majority of his time at United it's been first man or first row with his delivery into the key areas. Our wingbacks can only do what they can when the ball being pinged at them is so well telegraphed, and that doesn't mean bombing up the line past the two players sent to close them down. I don't have to prove this, Cheeseboard. It happens most matches if you watch.

He's pretty paceless, not a brilliant tackler and not great in the air, these are facts that no one tries to defend.
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Yet "He's a good player who makes the team tick and his range of passing is excellent". What the fuck is he doing in our midfield if he can't do the tasks you have listed? Serious question. Sounds like you ARE a fanboy and get all bulgy every time he whacks it out to Bogle or RND.

Having a decent box to box midfielder playing alongside him would help instead of an on the wane Fleck, Hourihane and Berge.
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Or even expecting him to up his game in other areas apart from just being a 'ball kicker', which is effectively the inscription on the medal you place lovingly round his neck.

Your constant incompatible poor marks for his performances are the reasons I respond to your overly self indulgent 'my take'.
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More, mealy mouthed mardiness by our own resident match reviewer. Except we don't hear much about the match from you, do we? It's just 'the memes' (and I'd sack your graphic artist if I were you) and the ever present ad hominem. The real reason you respond to 'My take ... ' is 'you just can't help yourself', isn't it? If I were critical of another player or if one mark varied from your expert viewpoint you'd be on here as if by force of habit to 'respond' because scrolling by and ignoring 'My take ... ' is much more effort, isn't it?

Nothing more, nothing less. Lose the anger, you'll feel better.
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Christ. It's almost as if the human trait of self-awareness just doesn't exist, isn't it?

PS: You won't make me stop.

pommpey
 
pommpey said:
No you haven't. You've just put funny as fuck memes up that no one gets, or finds funny. You've not explained why you believe I apparently have 'an agenda'.



Yeah, you are. Because without prompting, you make this post not about United, or Oliver Norwood, but about me. If that's not trolling, then I don't know what is.



And that's where your analysis varies from mine. He no more makes the team tick as much as he ends up being passed around in midfield and as for range of passing, aside of lumping it to a marked wingback (or sometimes not even that far) or a ten metre back-and-forth training-pass in midfield, for the majority of his time at United we've seen nothing. Recently he's been experimenting with feeding the ball to a running Brewster, an option which has been available quite a lot since he signed. He's also put one or two decent crosses in, which is nice because for the majority of his time at United it's been first man or first row with his delivery into the key areas. Our wingbacks can only do what they can when the ball being pinged at them is so well telegraphed, and that doesn't mean bombing up the line past the two players sent to close them down. I don't have to prove this, Cheeseboard. It happens most matches if you watch.



Yet "He's a good player who makes the team tick and his range of passing is excellent". What the fuck is he doing in our midfield if he can't do the tasks you have listed? Serious question. Sounds like you ARE a fanboy and get all bulgy every time he whacks it out to Bogle or RND.



Or even expecting him to up his game in other areas apart from just being a 'ball kicker', which is effectively the inscription on the medal you place lovingly round his neck.



More, mealy mouthed mardiness by our own resident match reviewer. Except we don't hear much about the match from you, do we? It's just 'the memes' (and I'd sack your graphic artist if I were you) and the ever present ad hominem. The real reason you respond to 'My take ... ' is 'you just can't help yourself', isn't it? If I were critical of another player or if one mark varied from your expert viewpoint you'd be on here as if by force of habit to 'respond' because scrolling by and ignoring 'My take ... ' is much more effort, isn't it?



Christ. It's almost as if the human trait of self-awareness just doesn't exist, isn't it?

PS: You won't make me stop.

pommpey
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What size telly did you watch the match on Pommps?
 
pommpey said:
No you haven't. You've just put funny as fuck memes up that no one gets, or finds funny. You've not explained why you believe I apparently have 'an agenda'.



Yeah, you are. Because without prompting, you make this post not about United, or Oliver Norwood, but about me. If that's not trolling, then I don't know what is.



And that's where your analysis varies from mine. He no more makes the team tick as much as he ends up being passed around in midfield and as for range of passing, aside of lumping it to a marked wingback (or sometimes not even that far) or a ten metre back-and-forth training-pass in midfield, for the majority of his time at United we've seen nothing. Recently he's been experimenting with feeding the ball to a running Brewster, an option which has been available quite a lot since he signed. He's also put one or two decent crosses in, which is nice because for the majority of his time at United it's been first man or first row with his delivery into the key areas. Our wingbacks can only do what they can when the ball being pinged at them is so well telegraphed, and that doesn't mean bombing up the line past the two players sent to close them down. I don't have to prove this, Cheeseboard. It happens most matches if you watch.



Yet "He's a good player who makes the team tick and his range of passing is excellent". What the fuck is he doing in our midfield if he can't do the tasks you have listed? Serious question. Sounds like you ARE a fanboy and get all bulgy every time he whacks it out to Bogle or RND.



Or even expecting him to up his game in other areas apart from just being a 'ball kicker', which is effectively the inscription on the medal you place lovingly round his neck.



More, mealy mouthed mardiness by our own resident match reviewer. Except we don't hear much about the match from you, do we? It's just 'the memes' (and I'd sack your graphic artist if I were you) and the ever present ad hominem. The real reason you respond to 'My take ... ' is 'you just can't help yourself', isn't it? If I were critical of another player or if one mark varied from your expert viewpoint you'd be on here as if by force of habit to 'respond' because scrolling by and ignoring 'My take ... ' is much more effort, isn't it?



Christ. It's almost as if the human trait of self-awareness just doesn't exist, isn't it?

PS: You won't make me stop.

pommpey
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And the vast majority don't want you to stop.

Your My Views are entertaining , your rationale sounds technically competent (?) and you back up your opinions.

I have personally defended the fact that you don't go to games - because you don't need to be there in the flesh to be a supporter or have an opinion , and i have on many occasions agreed with your view , laughed out loud at your analogies and disagreed by offering my own rationale, no matter how flawed . You are definitely allowed your opinion , as are others , without coming under or going on the attack.

But you have chosen to put yourself out there by putting forward your view - all i`m asking is that you show a little more humility at times. My own point re my post was that i saw an extremely competent performance by Norwood which was roundly endorsed by all the professional pundits - to a man . I don't go with the view that they won't offer their true feelings and try to smooch the audience / punters- Keane, Neville , Souness, Goodman etc are very forthright. When i read your response i am left thinking that i dont and they dont know what they are talking about - that may be the case?

Anyway

Enough said

UTBs
 
pommpey said:
No you haven't. You've just put funny as fuck memes up that no one gets, or finds funny. You've not explained why you believe I apparently have 'an agenda'.



Yeah, you are. Because without prompting, you make this post not about United, or Oliver Norwood, but about me. If that's not trolling, then I don't know what is.



And that's where your analysis varies from mine. He no more makes the team tick as much as he ends up being passed around in midfield and as for range of passing, aside of lumping it to a marked wingback (or sometimes not even that far) or a ten metre back-and-forth training-pass in midfield, for the majority of his time at United we've seen nothing. Recently he's been experimenting with feeding the ball to a running Brewster, an option which has been available quite a lot since he signed. He's also put one or two decent crosses in, which is nice because for the majority of his time at United it's been first man or first row with his delivery into the key areas. Our wingbacks can only do what they can when the ball being pinged at them is so well telegraphed, and that doesn't mean bombing up the line past the two players sent to close them down. I don't have to prove this, Cheeseboard. It happens most matches if you watch.



Yet "He's a good player who makes the team tick and his range of passing is excellent". What the fuck is he doing in our midfield if he can't do the tasks you have listed? Serious question. Sounds like you ARE a fanboy and get all bulgy every time he whacks it out to Bogle or RND.



Or even expecting him to up his game in other areas apart from just being a 'ball kicker', which is effectively the inscription on the medal you place lovingly round his neck.



More, mealy mouthed mardiness by our own resident match reviewer. Except we don't hear much about the match from you, do we? It's just 'the memes' (and I'd sack your graphic artist if I were you) and the ever present ad hominem. The real reason you respond to 'My take ... ' is 'you just can't help yourself', isn't it? If I were critical of another player or if one mark varied from your expert viewpoint you'd be on here as if by force of habit to 'respond' because scrolling by and ignoring 'My take ... ' is much more effort, isn't it?



Christ. It's almost as if the human trait of self-awareness just doesn't exist, isn't it?

PS: You won't make me stop.

pommpey
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That was along winded way of saying fuck all.
PS. I'm not trying to make you stop, it's fucking hilarious reading.
 



pommpey said:
No you haven't. You've just put funny as fuck memes up that no one gets, or finds funny. You've not explained why you believe I apparently have 'an agenda'.



Yeah, you are. Because without prompting, you make this post not about United, or Oliver Norwood, but about me. If that's not trolling, then I don't know what is.



And that's where your analysis varies from mine. He no more makes the team tick as much as he ends up being passed around in midfield and as for range of passing, aside of lumping it to a marked wingback (or sometimes not even that far) or a ten metre back-and-forth training-pass in midfield, for the majority of his time at United we've seen nothing. Recently he's been experimenting with feeding the ball to a running Brewster, an option which has been available quite a lot since he signed. He's also put one or two decent crosses in, which is nice because for the majority of his time at United it's been first man or first row with his delivery into the key areas. Our wingbacks can only do what they can when the ball being pinged at them is so well telegraphed, and that doesn't mean bombing up the line past the two players sent to close them down. I don't have to prove this, Cheeseboard. It happens most matches if you watch.



Yet "He's a good player who makes the team tick and his range of passing is excellent". What the fuck is he doing in our midfield if he can't do the tasks you have listed? Serious question. Sounds like you ARE a fanboy and get all bulgy every time he whacks it out to Bogle or RND.



Or even expecting him to up his game in other areas apart from just being a 'ball kicker', which is effectively the inscription on the medal you place lovingly round his neck.



More, mealy mouthed mardiness by our own resident match reviewer. Except we don't hear much about the match from you, do we? It's just 'the memes' (and I'd sack your graphic artist if I were you) and the ever present ad hominem. The real reason you respond to 'My take ... ' is 'you just can't help yourself', isn't it? If I were critical of another player or if one mark varied from your expert viewpoint you'd be on here as if by force of habit to 'respond' because scrolling by and ignoring 'My take ... ' is much more effort, isn't it?



Christ. It's almost as if the human trait of self-awareness just doesn't exist, isn't it?

PS: You won't make me stop.

pommpey
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But there is no agenda 🤦‍♂️
 
Cheesebored said:
That was along winded way of saying fuck all.
PS. I'm not trying to make you stop, it's fucking hilarious reading.
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No. It was a concise way of tucking you up in bed and giving you your rusk and Horlicks.

You want me to either stop, or agree with you, but your evidence is flawed, personalised and frankly juvenile, so I won't

Happy to keep you amused. PS: I'd still work on your memes. They're shit

pommpey
 
sitwell said:
But there is no agenda 🤦‍♂️
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This is correct

Except the same old trolls keep rocking up in a thread made by a person they clearly dislike.

Says more about you than it does me, SItwell

pommpey
 
pommpey said:
again, Jaffs, you're not that good at this 'wry humour' shit, are you
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Ah gutted. I was about to embark on a career in stand-up comedy and had my previous post lined up as the knee-slapping opening.

On a serious note - relax. You seem to get ultra personal, ultra quickly. While it's funny to watch you unravel on your own threads it's not something worth getting bent out of shape about.

Namaste🧘🏽‍♂️❤️
 
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