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Outdone by class tonight, and by an embattled Wilder trying to find some formula to win a match after taking the lead. We've done it a few times now this season - gone one up against a top side - and capitulated badly, failing to control the game. And that's it, isn't it? We fail to 'control' the opposition and spend huge amounts of the ninety minutes watching the more skilful opposition pass it round our thin midfield before deciding 'now' is the time to strike. Man U did that three times tonight and in fact did exactly the same last season. One lapse of concentration, one amount of watching the ball and they're in, and we're dead. In terms of last season too, it was a 'bathtub curve' of us threatening with the first and last ten seeing us looking purposeful, but again, we've done that too many times now and failed to sustain that because we give the ball away too easily and don't win it back and keep it. We had two 'scenes' in this play where we actually strung a few decent passes together, each time we found ourselves surprisingly poised to hit Manchester United hard and effectively. The rest of the time - seventy minutes in fact - we were holding on, bamboozled with 'class' from a team whom if it were ranged against Fergusons mid nineties side, would have been batted flat.

Did anyone honestly believe we'd finish the game 1-0 winners? My case is made then.

The formation was faffed about with - and it's plainly obvious to this fucking Playstation Manager that bringing Basham out of the back three makes every difference with opposition's attitudes to our style of play. He's unpredictable, he's dangerous and he's creative. He's everything Norwood isn't. Stick him back in the back three and we're flat footed again. Burke is a fucking physical nuisance. As Ally McCoist said eloquently, he has an impressive frame and you wouldn't want 90 minutes (or however many Wilder deems) having him closing you down and mixing it up with you. He also does it with a physicality which doesn't require the 'leave your mark on him' pub-football McBurnie demonstrates. Didsy may be on his last legs but he has masses of ability to contribute, including the poacher's eye to get the goals he deserved. We are much, much better packing the midfield and we have to now examine the change of traditional four at the back Basham sat in front, three, sometimes four across the middle and either two or one strikers ahead. Even with McBurnie's head as a target in a 4-1-4-1 there's more chance of his first ball touch finding a red and white shirt than having our three across the middle mired as first line defence, as they were v Southampton.

Their goals were predictable and avoidable. Two balls over the top and a counter attack aren't to me well-worked individual items like say Southampton's third. Our goals were chance and luck, which again still gives me the fear we are done for and won't win anything soon. Okay, we put the two quick boys up front, but they offered little in threat until we pushed on in the final ten and even then, the killer pass isn't there nor the killer finish, see Rashford's first for an example of that. Had that been played to Brewster, he'd have finished exactly the same.

Ramsdale 5.5/10: Thought he pulled off some panicky saves at times but still kept us in the game. However, he saves that Rashford second - and he should have - and we are on two points, maybe more. What that would have done for us going into Brighton soon would have been immeasurable.
Baldock 6.5/10: Usual committed showing from Furious George. Mixed it up well with Rashford (when he could get near him) and 'got stuck in', as usual
Basham 8/10: Love this bloke to bits. Again, deceptively skilful, left Matic catching flies and is the only player audacious enough to think, 'they're backing off' and drift past two or three players. In the back three he is ace, but struggling. In midfield, he is our regista
Egan 6/10: Always does his best but tonight he was covering left and right for Jags and Robinson
Robinson 4/10: Always a weak link on our defence and compounded by the presence of
Stevens 4/10: Another weak game from a bloke way below his best in our colours, Exposed against whoever chose to play out on that flank and in defence, carried out one decent, committed tackle but the rest of the time is simply a passenger. At one stage in our recent history, he was deemed a threat from out wide and scored goals from there. Now he is a prisoner of his confidence.
Berge -/10: Injured.
Ampadu 6/10: A better game from him however he is still too lightweight to go up against the likes of Pogba and Matic. He did okay tonight but is far below what we need in the pivot role
Fleck 4/10: Clumsy and wasteful. Another player from our rise up the leagues - like Stevens - who is now struggling to make the grade and if anything, his drop in output mirrors our situation. Roll a ball across the box to me on my left peg and I will hit it straight and low and on target with my 'supposed' weaker foot, not bring it onto my preferred foot and fuck up the glaring chance. Unforgivable.
McGoldrick 7/10: Great performance from an experienced head in the three roles he had tonight, midfield, No10 and just behind Burke up front. Typical poachers stuff for the first and just right-place-right-time for the second. Grafted hard all night and refused to give up
Burke 7/10: A pleasing shift from him. He made the Man U defence work hard and remain conscious that he was challenging and bearing down on them ALL the time. And as said, he does it without striping opposition players, or even diving on the deck and whining to the ref, which is an aspect of McBurnie's game I fucking HATE. Them there stud down his thigh will burn a bit tomorrow morning

Jagielka 4.5/10: He's got a good footballing head on him and can put in a tackle, but putting him up against Martial and Rashford was like pulling the legs off a spider. He's 38, and he's up against a strikeforce fifteen years his junior. Egan was basically a one man back three at times and it comes as no surprise the ball through the middle/over the top unlocked our shaky back three
Brewster 4.5/10: Be aware. I have marked him this because as ever, he got nowt. He put himself about but I saw Stevens play a ball down the flank that not even Usain Bolt would have got to. He needs chances this lad. Still feel somewhat sorry for him. With the right midfield and wingers, he's be scoring for fun
Moussett 5/10: Apart from a rather sweetly hit shot (which Henderson eats up every day) he was largely ineffective and again, looks rusty and unconditioned

Wilder 4/10: Great fighting spirit at either end and yes, they were parking the bus at the finish, but I don't ever think we'd have got that third. And as soon as Basham is reverted into the back three, our game goes dead and the opposition are smelling blood.

pommpey
 



Outdone by class tonight, and by an embattled Wilder trying to find some formula to win a match after taking the lead. We've done it a few times now this season - gone one up against a top side - and capitulated badly, failing to control the game. And that's it, isn't it? We fail to 'control' the opposition and spend huge amounts of the ninety minutes watching the more skilful opposition pass it round our thin midfield before deciding 'now' is the time to strike. Man U did that three times tonight and in fact did exactly the same last season. One lapse of concentration, one amount of watching the ball and they're in, and we're dead. In terms of last season too, it was a 'bathtub curve' of us threatening with the first and last ten seeing us looking purposeful, but again, we've done that too many times now and failed to sustain that because we give the ball away too easily and don't win it back and keep it. We had two 'scenes' in this play where we actually strung a few decent passes together, each time we found ourselves surprisingly poised to hit Manchester United hard and effectively. The rest of the time - seventy minutes in fact - we were holding on, bamboozled with 'class' from a team whom if it were ranged against Fergusons mid nineties side, would have been batted flat.

Did anyone honestly believe we'd finish the game 1-0 winners? My case is made then.

The formation was faffed about with - and it's plainly obvious to this fucking Playstation Manager that bringing Basham out of the back three makes every difference with opposition's attitudes to our style of play. He's unpredictable, he's dangerous and he's creative. He's everything Norwood isn't. Stick him back in the back three and we're flat footed again. Burke is a fucking physical nuisance. As Ally McCoist said eloquently, he has an impressive frame and you wouldn't want 90 minutes (or however many Wilder deems) having him closing you down and mixing it up with you. He also does it with a physicality which doesn't require the 'leave your mark on him' pub-football McBurnie demonstrates. Didsy may be on his last legs but he has masses of ability to contribute, including the poacher's eye to get the goals he deserved. We are much, much better packing the midfield and we have to now examine the change of traditional four at the back Basham sat in front, three, sometimes four across the middle and either two or one strikers ahead. Even with McBurnie's head as a target in a 4-1-4-1 there's more chance of his first ball touch finding a red and white shirt than having our three across the middle mired as first line defence, as they were v Southampton.

Their goals were predictable and avoidable. Two balls over the top and a counter attack aren't to me well-worked individual items like say Southampton's third. Our goals were chance and luck, which again still gives me the fear we are done for and won't win anything soon. Okay, we put the two quick boys up front, but they offered little in threat until we pushed on in the final ten and even then, the killer pass isn't there nor the killer finish, see Rashford's first for an example of that. Had that been played to Brewster, he'd have finished exactly the same.

Ramsdale 5.5/10: Thought he pulled off some panicky saves at times but still kept us in the game. However, he saves that Rashford second - and he should have - and we are on two points, maybe more. What that would have done for us going into Brighton soon would have been immeasurable.
Baldock 6.5/10: Usual committed showing from Furious George. Mixed it up well with Rashford (when he could get near him) and 'got stuck in', as usual
Basham 8/10: Love this bloke to bits. Again, deceptively skilful, left Matic catching flies and is the only player audacious enough to think, 'they're backing off' and drift past two or three players. In the back three he is ace, but struggling. In midfield, he is our regista
Egan 6/10: Always does his best but tonight he was covering left and right for Jags and Robinson
Robinson 4/10: Always a weak link on our defence and compounded by the presence of
Stevens 4/10: Another weak game from a bloke way below his best in our colours, Exposed against whoever chose to play out on that flank and in defence, carried out one decent, committed tackle but the rest of the time is simply a passenger. At one stage in our recent history, he was deemed a threat from out wide and scored goals from there. Now he is a prisoner of his confidence.
Berge -/10: Injured.
Ampadu 6/10: A better game from him however he is still too lightweight to go up against the likes of Pogba and Matic. He did okay tonight but is far below what we need in the pivot role
Fleck 4/10: Clumsy and wasteful. Another player from our rise up the leagues - like Stevens - who is now struggling to make the grade and if anything, his drop in output mirrors our situation. Roll a ball across the box to me on my left peg and I will hit it straight and low and on target with my 'supposed' weaker foot, not bring it onto my preferred foot and fuck up the glaring chance. Unforgivable.
McGoldrick 7/10: Great performance from an experienced head in the three roles he had tonight, midfield, No10 and just behind Burke up front. Typical poachers stuff for the first and just right-place-right-time for the second. Grafted hard all night and refused to give up
Burke 7/10: A pleasing shift from him. He made the Man U defence work hard and remain conscious that he was challenging and bearing down on them ALL the time. And as said, he does it without striping opposition players, or even diving on the deck and whining to the ref, which is an aspect of McBurnie's game I fucking HATE. Them there stud down his thigh will burn a bit tomorrow morning

Jagielka 4.5/10: He's got a good footballing head on him and can put in a tackle, but putting him up against Martial and Rashford was like pulling the legs off a spider. He's 38, and he's up against a strikeforce fifteen years his junior. Egan was basically a one man back three at times and it comes as no surprise the ball through the middle/over the top unlocked our shaky back three
Brewster 4.5/10: Be aware. I have marked him this because as ever, he got nowt. He put himself about but I saw Stevens play a ball down the flank that not even Usain Bolt would have got to. He needs chances this lad. Still feel somewhat sorry for him. With the right midfield and wingers, he's be scoring for fun
Moussett 5/10: Apart from a rather sweetly hit shot (which Henderson eats up every day) he was largely ineffective and again, looks rusty and unconditioned

Wilder 4/10: Great fighting spirit at either end and yes, they were parking the bus at the finish, but I don't ever think we'd have got that third. And as soon as Basham is reverted into the back three, our game goes dead and the opposition are smelling blood.

pommpey
As usual, I can't fault your analysis or even your player assessment and score!
The effort was there last night, but the gulf in class is vast.
This season we've seen that we're just not good enough for this league!
 
I’m pleased we went for it more tonight and scored 2. Berges injury killed our momentum and if fleck scores then who knows. Much better but same result
 
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Chris Basham last night showed in midfield what a more technically gifted Sander Berge should be doing every game. If anyone didn't already know it then they do now Jagielka is done as a Premier League player, if he wants to play football he should be doing so in league two. Last night only defenders Baldock and Egan came out of the game with any credit I felt sorry for Egan with the two numpties alongside him. 2nd half Jags got nutmeged like Jack Hunt when Brooks made him look a cunt, I know it was Rashford but when that happens it shows you are dog shit and the time has come to hang up your boots.
Ramsdale what can you say the poor kid looks a bag of nerves and who wouldn't be with our defenders no chance with the 1st unlucky with the 2nd but my god the 3rd was an easy pick up for any decent under 11's goalie. The trouble being I don't see any of our back up keepers improving things any keeper will look shite until we start defending better. I hope we stick with Burke and Didzy up front let Mousset and Brewster fight for a place. We did look much better without McBurnie last night but that is not his fault, not sure if we are told to do it but when McBurnie plays we resort to hoof ball, at least we did get it down and played a bit of football last night.
 
Our goals were chance and luck,

Tad ‘arsh
Burke’s closing down and Goldies position/predicting it wasn’t luck
Again the back post header wasn’t luck, good corner and headed in.

Ramsdale getting 5.5 is generous tho, he’s in no mans land for the first, doesn’t keep his eye on the ball for the 2nd, and dives over the ball for the 3rd ffs!
Honestly if he let them 3 in on a Sunday league park he’d take some ribbing
 
Outdone by class tonight, and by an embattled Wilder trying to find some formula to win a match after taking the lead. We've done it a few times now this season - gone one up against a top side - and capitulated badly, failing to control the game. And that's it, isn't it? We fail to 'control' the opposition and spend huge amounts of the ninety minutes watching the more skilful opposition pass it round our thin midfield before deciding 'now' is the time to strike. Man U did that three times tonight and in fact did exactly the same last season. One lapse of concentration, one amount of watching the ball and they're in, and we're dead. In terms of last season too, it was a 'bathtub curve' of us threatening with the first and last ten seeing us looking purposeful, but again, we've done that too many times now and failed to sustain that because we give the ball away too easily and don't win it back and keep it. We had two 'scenes' in this play where we actually strung a few decent passes together, each time we found ourselves surprisingly poised to hit Manchester United hard and effectively. The rest of the time - seventy minutes in fact - we were holding on, bamboozled with 'class' from a team whom if it were ranged against Fergusons mid nineties side, would have been batted flat.

Did anyone honestly believe we'd finish the game 1-0 winners? My case is made then.

The formation was faffed about with - and it's plainly obvious to this fucking Playstation Manager that bringing Basham out of the back three makes every difference with opposition's attitudes to our style of play. He's unpredictable, he's dangerous and he's creative. He's everything Norwood isn't. Stick him back in the back three and we're flat footed again. Burke is a fucking physical nuisance. As Ally McCoist said eloquently, he has an impressive frame and you wouldn't want 90 minutes (or however many Wilder deems) having him closing you down and mixing it up with you. He also does it with a physicality which doesn't require the 'leave your mark on him' pub-football McBurnie demonstrates. Didsy may be on his last legs but he has masses of ability to contribute, including the poacher's eye to get the goals he deserved. We are much, much better packing the midfield and we have to now examine the change of traditional four at the back Basham sat in front, three, sometimes four across the middle and either two or one strikers ahead. Even with McBurnie's head as a target in a 4-1-4-1 there's more chance of his first ball touch finding a red and white shirt than having our three across the middle mired as first line defence, as they were v Southampton.

Their goals were predictable and avoidable. Two balls over the top and a counter attack aren't to me well-worked individual items like say Southampton's third. Our goals were chance and luck, which again still gives me the fear we are done for and won't win anything soon. Okay, we put the two quick boys up front, but they offered little in threat until we pushed on in the final ten and even then, the killer pass isn't there nor the killer finish, see Rashford's first for an example of that. Had that been played to Brewster, he'd have finished exactly the same.

Ramsdale 5.5/10: Thought he pulled off some panicky saves at times but still kept us in the game. However, he saves that Rashford second - and he should have - and we are on two points, maybe more. What that would have done for us going into Brighton soon would have been immeasurable.
Baldock 6.5/10: Usual committed showing from Furious George. Mixed it up well with Rashford (when he could get near him) and 'got stuck in', as usual
Basham 8/10: Love this bloke to bits. Again, deceptively skilful, left Matic catching flies and is the only player audacious enough to think, 'they're backing off' and drift past two or three players. In the back three he is ace, but struggling. In midfield, he is our regista
Egan 6/10: Always does his best but tonight he was covering left and right for Jags and Robinson
Robinson 4/10: Always a weak link on our defence and compounded by the presence of
Stevens 4/10: Another weak game from a bloke way below his best in our colours, Exposed against whoever chose to play out on that flank and in defence, carried out one decent, committed tackle but the rest of the time is simply a passenger. At one stage in our recent history, he was deemed a threat from out wide and scored goals from there. Now he is a prisoner of his confidence.
Berge -/10: Injured.
Ampadu 6/10: A better game from him however he is still too lightweight to go up against the likes of Pogba and Matic. He did okay tonight but is far below what we need in the pivot role
Fleck 4/10: Clumsy and wasteful. Another player from our rise up the leagues - like Stevens - who is now struggling to make the grade and if anything, his drop in output mirrors our situation. Roll a ball across the box to me on my left peg and I will hit it straight and low and on target with my 'supposed' weaker foot, not bring it onto my preferred foot and fuck up the glaring chance. Unforgivable.
McGoldrick 7/10: Great performance from an experienced head in the three roles he had tonight, midfield, No10 and just behind Burke up front. Typical poachers stuff for the first and just right-place-right-time for the second. Grafted hard all night and refused to give up
Burke 7/10: A pleasing shift from him. He made the Man U defence work hard and remain conscious that he was challenging and bearing down on them ALL the time. And as said, he does it without striping opposition players, or even diving on the deck and whining to the ref, which is an aspect of McBurnie's game I fucking HATE. Them there stud down his thigh will burn a bit tomorrow morning

Jagielka 4.5/10: He's got a good footballing head on him and can put in a tackle, but putting him up against Martial and Rashford was like pulling the legs off a spider. He's 38, and he's up against a strikeforce fifteen years his junior. Egan was basically a one man back three at times and it comes as no surprise the ball through the middle/over the top unlocked our shaky back three
Brewster 4.5/10: Be aware. I have marked him this because as ever, he got nowt. He put himself about but I saw Stevens play a ball down the flank that not even Usain Bolt would have got to. He needs chances this lad. Still feel somewhat sorry for him. With the right midfield and wingers, he's be scoring for fun
Moussett 5/10: Apart from a rather sweetly hit shot (which Henderson eats up every day) he was largely ineffective and again, looks rusty and unconditioned

Wilder 4/10: Great fighting spirit at either end and yes, they were parking the bus at the finish, but I don't ever think we'd have got that third. And as soon as Basham is reverted into the back three, our game goes dead and the opposition are smelling blood.

pommpey
I think you are being a little harsh on Fleck. I thought he looked to get on the ball more and was playing the ball quicker . I thought his link up play with Stevend and Amapdu was good st times. I am not saying he was great but certainly a 6/10.
I was more pleased that team attempted to pass the ball more often rather than just hoof it like thay have done in previous matches
 
Chris Basham last night showed in midfield what a more technically gifted Sander Berge should be doing every game. If anyone didn't already know it then they do now Jagielka is done as a Premier League player, if he wants to play football he should be doing so in league two. Last night only defenders Baldock and Egan came out of the game with any credit I felt sorry for Egan with the two numpties alongside him. 2nd half Jags got nutmeged like Jack Hunt when Brooks made him look a cunt, I know it was Rashford but when that happens it shows you are dog shit and the time has come to hang up your boots.
Ramsdale what can you say the poor kid looks a bag of nerves and who wouldn't be with our defenders no chance with the 1st unlucky with the 2nd but my god the 3rd was an easy pick up for any decent under 11's goalie. The trouble being I don't see any of our back up keepers improving things any keeper will look shite until we start defending better. I hope we stick with Burke and Didzy up front let Mousset and Brewster fight for a place. We did look much better without McBurnie last night but that is not his fault, not sure if we are told to do it but when McBurnie plays we resort to hoof ball, at least we did get it down and played a bit of football last night.
Reverse your theory on Ramsdale being terrified playing behind our defence and consider that our defenders are terrified knowing Ramsdale is behind them .
 
Reverse your theory on Ramsdale being terrified playing behind our defence and consider that our defenders are terrified knowing Ramsdale is behind them .
The trouble with that theory is Ramsdale is making more saves per game than Henderson ever had to. We have conceded more than any other team and Ramsdale has faced more shots than other keepers.
 
Reverse your theory on Ramsdale being terrified playing behind our defence and consider that our defenders are terrified knowing Ramsdale is behind them .

It's a two-way street. The keeper is battle-fatigued and we all know that if we concede a goal, any goal, we're unlikely to win, so there's pressure at that end. I don't have much confidence now that he can stop a shot cleanly.

However the defence, whoever plays in it, has been disastrous since the first game. They've always been susceptible to a long ball over the top and that's happening more and more now. Worse though, every time a cross comes in I expect an effort on goal and that's got nothing to do with the goalkeeper either.

Like everyone else, I assume, I was pleased we played with some speed last night and tried to get back to the old way of playing. However we were so wide open that it was obvious from the 10th minute we'd be outscored.

Berge's injury will at least give us the chance to see if he's part of the problem.

Against lesser sides we may get something playing like that, probably will. Our aim now should be not to finish bottom of the league, that's the best we can hope for.
 
We are tediously light in MF - we're too nice. Ampadu, Berge and Fleck ~ there's no strength or defensive capability there. This is where we are vulnerable in defence and attack. There's no transition anymore, we bypass our MF and go long or wide.
 
Not a bad analysis that, I can't fault the player ratings. Yet again too many players at 4-5-6/10 and we don't have the quality for them not to be playing at 8 or 9/10 and still expect results.

The forward 3 at the end was a refreshing change without actually doing anything.

The most frustrating thing in the match was Mousset giving the ball away on the halfway line when he'd had 3 seconds to play it out wide. The lad will never be fit enough to play a sustained amount of football. It's a joke really.
 
Excellent report overall Pommpey. You are one the better Playstation Managers I've met (virtually of course) over the years. However, again I can't agree on your marking or assessment of Ramsdale. I hate slagging our players, but Ramsdale is doing my nut in at the moment. None of the saves he made to' keep us in the game', as you say, were anything other than complete bread and butter that you'd expect a League 2 Keeper to make.

Now for what he didn't do............ their first goal. He was in no man's land and the ball beat him with so much ease it was unreal. Ok, cracking take down and shot from them and unfair to say it was a definite error on Rammers part, but ffs man, at least look like you are in the same ball park as the ball.

The second, he flapped and panicked and should have done better. Ok again, it was cracking through ball, but he's got to do better in those situations.

The third.... not even in doubt, I'd expect 9/10 professional goalkeepers at any level to save that. The ball went under his arm.

2/10 for me Rammers I'm afriad.
 
It's like we are playing musical statues when the oppo have the ball.
 



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