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pommpey

THE FUTURE ... AS IT USED TO BE
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Impressive improvement, thanks to some astute positional changes which made Liverpool look decidedly ordinary at times. It took some pretty sloppy marking and lapses of concentration to undo us, where otherwise, the front to back array looked a lot better and more capable than they have done all season. Put it this way, this side and play would have beaten Fulham and Villa and we'd be on six points now. I think now we have had our 'Gillingham Day', when Wilder realises what his way ahead is. We still have some fine tuning to do and save Wilder losing his head and reverting to say, using Norwood in the pivot and us being bummed endards again, I think tonight's performance deserved at least a point, if not three.

At the back though, the soft spot is still Enda Stevens. No matter where he plays, I feel Enda has reached his physical limit of capability and really, unless you are a top six side, you can't afford to not be better than you were last season. He isn't. He started to fray last season and now he's in full decline. Across the back three we were reasonably solid if apt to lose our player and some of the blocks and tackles were pretty much ace. IN midfield it was a typical (for United) game of two halves with Liverpool looking decidedly shaky against what seemed to be quiet composure and decent passing and moving. Of course, typical for United, we forgot all about that in the second half and were effectively watching them pass it round us and sit far too deep at times.

Up front, our fifty million pairing showed us nothing really. The tactic seemed to be to hump it long and hit McBurnie which is all very well and good, but from his head (which for a change was active) the ball rarely found Brewster who was sadly anonymous.

But, Liverpool still seem vulnerable and pensive in areas and certainly are not playing the flowing, targetted football we saw them outclass us with last December. I was quite surprised how hungove they still seem and would have been delighted, if not surprised with them not being able to answer our early lead.

The talking points of the game:

Mc B Penalty: Yes. It was. On the line is in the box and its good to see a decision go for us for a change

Berge 'Penalty': Yes, again it was

Baldock Handball: Yes, it was a penalty

Salah offside, Yes, it was.

Their two goal were simple lapses of concentration. We need t work on this because the second one, were Jack playing, wouldn't have happened. Enda isn't a LCB and isn't more and more a PL level player.

Ramsdale: 7/10: Played a lot better. Wasn't tested that much and maybe should have pushed Mane's header wide.
Baldock: 7/10: Thought he had a decent game TBH. Works well with Basham and Berge down that flank and did well with a better player like Robinson.
Basham 6/10: Good game but drops a point or two for leaving Mane to free head it for the goal. Again, some deft touches for a centre back
Egan 7/10: Again, thought he had a decent, busy game and got his head to a lot of crosses and balls into the box. His 2nd minute stop was brilliant
Stevens 4.5/10: Just don't think he's hitting the mark any more. Misplaced passes and again, like Bamford v Leeds, allowed a fairly unthreatening, lightweight player to better him in the area.
Osborn 7/10: Thought he played very well, and did his level best with Salah in a position we have hardly seen him in
Berge 7.5/10: First half, Liverpool seemed very, very wary of him and it's encouraging to see hi using his physicality at last to impose on the game and opposition, shielding, winning and heading. I think soon he will score a goal which will have everyone talking about him and for all the right reasons
Ampadu 7.5/10: Did think he made the difference for us tonight, vice Norwood.
Lundstram 6/10: Typical Lunny game of two halves. Fist half pretty decent and active. Second half anonymous
McBurnie 6/10: Nothing much for him to get at except the booted long ball which he won. Just wish he'd stop this fucking throwing himself on the deck shit. It foos no one. You're a big lad. Impose yourself and get the better of your opposition. Zero goals in seven starts now.
Brester 5/10: Not for his effort - I still think he is bedding in.

Burke 5.5/10: Great pace and a bit of a bruiser of an attacker, but fuck me, that injury time effort was fucking bobbar
McGoldrick 6/10: Not really on enough. Great effort over the bar and some link play, but really, what benefit did he give us except that Lunstram wasn't on any more? We shifted to a 5-2-1-2 when he came on and tried to link between midfield and front but by that time Liverpool were just soaking us up and threatening to break quickly on the change over of play

Wilder 8/10: A much improved if somewhat undeserved and disappointing outcome. He should not change anything for Man City ... if not McB for Burke maybe, but Man City are far quicker in defence and able to cope with pace better

pommpey
 
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Sadly, I am in agreement with regard to Stevens. It's quite alarming, and very sad how quickly he declined after lockdown. He just hasn't looked the same player since then.

Still, he is a better option at LCB than Robinson, and at least he is used to getting involved in attacking moves.

For now I would stick with him, so that we can see more of Ampadu in midfield because he was class today.
 
Agree with most of that Pomps
I did think Stevens was at fault for there second goal as well , he did improve after the goal though , but like you I think he’s well off the boil so far this season
Lunnie did put in a game of two half’s performance
But for me that team starts v Man City
 
Ramsdale 7

Baldock 8
Basham 8
Egan 7
Stevens 6
Osborn 8

Berge 8
Ampadu 8
Lundstram 7

McBurnie 8
Brewster 5

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Burke 7
McGoldrick 6


Happy with that performance. Must admit I was disappointed when I saw the line up, which had Ampadu at LCB, Stevens LWB, Berge DCM, Lundstram RCM and Osborn LCB. Turned out we played the midfield I wanted us to play, with Ampadu holding. Well done Wilder.
 
They’ve amended the handball interpretation due to the ridiculous ones that were being given early in the season. For once they’ve done the right thing - Robertson didn’t have any intention of handling the ball, it hit him from close range, it should not be a penalty
 
We were never ever going to get a 2nd penalty as there was debate over the one we did get (McB's foot was on the line it was a pen the defender can't go through the man to claim he got a touch of the ball). Stevens I have been saying it for a while he is at his peak does some great stuff but mistakes are creeping into his game which are unfortunately ending in goals against got to give Lowe a start instead asap maybe Bogle too. Osborn much better today Lunny very good first half but clocked off and went home at HT. Brew dog needs minutes on the pitch clear to see maybe only use him as a sub for a few weeks. McBurnie won every header 1st half but no real support, they doubled up on him 2nd half. A very encouraging performance otherwise faith restore somewhat after that.
 
They’ve amended the handball interpretation due to the ridiculous ones that were being given early in the season. For once they’ve done the right thing - Robertson didn’t have any intention of handling the ball, it hit him from close range, it should not be a penalty
Have they? I didn’t know that but good to hear that they have reacted quickly
 
Stevens was a huge improvement on Robinson, even if it was just from a system point of view. Hopefully as he gets used to the position he’ll learn his defensive responsibilities more
 



Stevens was a huge improvement on Robinson, even if it was just from a system point of view. Hopefully as he gets used to the position he’ll learn his defensive responsibilities more
And not be comfortably outjumped by a 5ft 10in winger.
 
Precisely. Reverse the positions - Baldock defending Ronertsons cross and it strikes his hand.

Never a penalty, eh?

VAR would invariably disagree.

pommpey
Ah yes, big bad VAR favouring the big clubs and screwing over the little ones.
(Apart from giving United a penalty and disallowing a Liverpool goal)
 
Ah yes, big bad VAR favouring the big clubs and screwing over the little ones.
(Apart from giving United a penalty and disallowing a Liverpool goal)
The offside was clear, the first pen was debatable. The lack of award for the trip on Berge (covered in the Sky highlights by about 3 replays, yet omitted from MOTD) is surely a glaring VAR error. Again.
 
Ah yes, big bad VAR favouring the big clubs and screwing over the little ones.
(Apart from giving United a penalty and disallowing a Liverpool goal)

And denying us a handball, failing to give a less debateable penalty and quite wrongfully not making a correct decision on Egan's sending off.

Let's not even talk about last season, eh?

pommpey
 
And denying us a handball, failing to give a less debateable penalty and quite wrongfully not making a correct decision on Egan's sending off.

Let's not even talk about last season, eh?

pommpey

The ‘handball’ wasn’t a penalty.
 
They’ve amended the handball interpretation due to the ridiculous ones that were being given early in the season. For once they’ve done the right thing - Robertson didn’t have any intention of handling the ball, it hit him from close range, it should not be a penalty

Woah.

I doubt Dier had any intent either. The ball dropped onto his arm as he was jumping - behind him and well away from his line of sight.

pommpey
 
Woah.

I doubt Dier had any intent either. The ball dropped onto his arm as he was jumping - behind him and well away from his line of sight.

pommpey
Yeah I think the Dier one and the Lindelof ones made them realise how ridiculous the rule/law/interpretation of the law had become.
 
Sadly, I am in agreement with regard to Stevens. It's quite alarming, and very sad how quickly he declined after lockdown. He just hasn't looked the same player since then.

Still, he is a better option at LCB than Robinson, and at least he is used to getting involved in attacking moves.

For now I would stick with him, so that we can see more of Ampadu in midfield because he was class today.
I think a struggling Enda still brings more to the team than a fully fit Robinson.
 
Agree with most of that Pomps
I did think Stevens was at fault for there second goal as well , he did improve after the goal though , but like you I think he’s well off the boil so far this season
Lunnie did put in a game of two half’s performance
But for me that team starts v Man City

Poor by Stevens considering who headed the winner, but shocking half hearted attempt by George to prevent the cross.
 



Hand in a natural position. No intent to handle it whatsoever. Smashed from very close range.
By no definition of any law is that handball.

Oh, I agree with you in that by the definition of the law it wasn’t handball. What I was saying though is that if any of the decisions we’ve seen recently are being used as a precedent why wouldn’t that also have been a penalty. I’d have fully expected that to be given if it was in Liverpool’s favour.
 

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