Morgan the new boss!!

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Morgan would only get the job if we were promoted. If we were, so what? How many bang average managers do we need to know there's no panacea? We won't get a manager we know will do well, we can't afford one - because there are next to none that you can be sure will. Most are just on a lucky six month cycle, waiting to form the next part of the manager-go-round.

Give him a try - what's to lose?

UTB
 
Latters said:
If it was to do with season ticket sales you'd think they'd have brought a proper manager in.
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They will sell themselves if we were promoted. We'll have someone else to judge if we aren't. I'm happy to see how it pans out.

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alcoblade said:
Not Dany Wilson, and a season full of his football. That's enough for me.

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It's not for me, though I'll no doubt end up renewing anyway.

McCabe might not be willing to spend his way to success, but the least he could do is have a plan. It's asking very little.

I'm no great believer in the greatness of Derek Dooley, but it's looking ever more like he was the last bloke we've had on the board who knew his footballing arse from his elbow.
 
JohnDenver said:
I'm no great believer in the greatness of Derek Dooley, but it's looking ever more like he was the last bloke we've had on the board who knew his footballing arse from his elbow.
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Having discussed football with Dooley for an hour, I think this is one of the biggest myths in United's history, though I've no doubt most will agree with you.

Priority number 1 for me was to not have to witness such crap as this season ever again. After that, I'm struggling. I can but smile when I hear people calling for O'Neil and Di Mateo. What's Wenger up to next season?

Given where we're at, and how shit the overwhelming majority of managers (and predictions) turn out, I'm indifferent to Morgan. But what this season has taught me is that I need to see some fire in the belly of the team.

UTB
 
alcoblade said:
Having discussed football with Dooley for an hour, I think this is one of the biggest myths in United's history, though I've no doubt most will agree with you.

Priority number 1 for me was to not have to witness such crap as this season ever again. After that, I'm struggling. I can but smile when I hear people calling for O'Neil and Di Mateo. What's Wenger up to next season?

Given where we're at, and how shit the overwhelming majority of managers (and predictions) turn out, I'm indifferent to Morgan. But what this season has taught me is that I need to see some fire in the belly of the team.

UTB
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I actually tend to agree on Dooley. It's just what's happened since he left has been pure strategic flipflop.

I'll be delighted if the team play with fight now. But unless Morgan is willing to gamble in his selections and be tactically savvy, all the fire in the world won't help our plodders get about the pitch. It's that which causes me to worry about Morgan.

Anyway, enough of this. Off to bed in the hope of being proved wrong....
 
I think we'll get four wins from the last five, which won't be quite enough to get automatic. We'll get through to the playoff final, where we'll lose again, and then the chairman will hand Morgan a three year contract, on the basis that he did so well in getting us to the final, and he'll turn out to be the latest in a very long line of shit united managers.
 
Highbury_Blade said:
I think we'll get four wins from the last five, which won't be quite enough to get automatic. We'll get through to the playoff final, where we'll lose again, and then the chairman will hand Morgan a three year contract, on the basis that he did so well in getting us to the final, and he'll turn out to be the latest in a very long line of shit united managers.
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Forget that. Did she spit or swallow?

UTB
 
cooperblade said:
It might work over a few games but this passion thing is massively over-simplistic isn't it?

Mowbray was a Morgan-type leader on the pitch, his Boro side aren't exactly exuding passion right now, are they?
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I'm not sure about the comparison with Mowbray?
I'd let Mowbray kick me in the bollocks, Morgan on the other hand......... Although there's a real chance Morgan would miss I suppose!

Mowbray doesn't give me the impression he's in the same physical league as Morgan and I can't imagine Tony dishing out a bollocking at half time. It would be like being mauled by a dead sheep......
If you fcked up and had to face Morgan at half time however..... Well I think I would just stay on the pitch and not bother with the dressing room.

Any road, it's gonna be an interesting run in now chaps, if nowt else let's hope Morgan can inspire a bit more effort and commitment into 'em - I'd be happy(ier) with that.
 
I hope Morgan does well. But TBH if the players cant to perform, he cannot suddenly turn them into world beaters can he?

The team has no width, pace & is nesh in the challenge. Oh and they also cannot pass the ball 5 yards.

He has a job on his hands. But i wish him the best.
 
Sirius said:
And why do you think so? Morgs is not a shrinking violet and would, no doubt have put in his two pen'orth over the last few weeks.
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Your assuming Morgan was allowed to do that. Morgan might have been restricted to coaching and the changing room being an inner sanctuary because that’s how Wilson liked it?
 
Kev Gee said:
I hope Morgan does well. But TBH if the players cant to perform, he cannot suddenly turn them into world beaters can he?

The team has no width, pace & is nesh in the challenge. Oh and they also cannot pass the ball 5 yards.

He has a job on his hands. But i wish him the best.
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Thats what the dingles were thinking about their squad before Flitcroft.
 
The thing is with the appointment of Morgan until the end of the season, just by some miracle he does get us up what happens then, does Kev award him a 3 year contact or does he get an experienced manager in for the undoubted struggle we would face in the Championship.
I personally think its too early for Morgan to manage us in the Championship and would go for a more experienced manager, if this does happen where does that leave Morgan ?
Just for the record I do think the short term appointment is the right one, we will proabably fail in the play offs anyway
 
Pedro Verde said:
The thing is with the appointment of Morgan until the end of the season, just by some miracle he does get us up what happens then, does Kev award him a 3 year contact or does he get an experienced manager in for the undoubted struggle we would face in the Championship.
I personally think its too early for Morgan to manage us in the Championship and would go for a more experienced manager, if this does happen where does that leave Morgan ?
Just for the record I do think the short term appointment is the right one, we will proabably fail in the play offs anyway
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Whilst I am surprised, I can understand this decision, the last 6 results, have put promotion ito question.
Leaving Danny in, would not have sent a ripple through the team , but this ought to.
As to appointing Chris,
1) Any outside manager would only have the same skill sets & players to work with , but without actually knowing any of the players, and no time to build-up a working relationship.
2) Any outside appointment woyuld have been a knee-jerk reaction, and not a considered action.
3) Morgs will give you a wholehearted passionate reaction, ( he is a blade ).
4) He will give the dressing room a rocket, none of this passive onlooking.
5) He will be direct, and maybe we need that at this stage ( pretty football now is for next season )
6) He will change the dynamic's of how we play ( for better or worse is yet to be seen ) , but that cant be as bad as the last few games can it ?.
This will allow for a considered appointment for next season, whatever league we are in .
 



Sirius said:
And why do you think so? Morgs is not a shrinking violet and would, no doubt have put in his two pen'orth over the last few weeks.
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Like an agent provocateur? ;)
 
Presty said:
Morgs has always struck me as quite an intelligent and balanced guy off the pitch, as a player he played to his strengths and knew his limitations. Whilst I'm sure he'll not suffer any fools - what we saw on the pitch could be a long way off his footballing ideologies.
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There's been quite a few very average or poor footballers who have made excellent managers.
Sir Alex Ferguson for one!
 
GRUMPY BLADE said:
Thats what the dingles were thinking about their squad before Flitcroft.
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Bang on GB - to be honest, I'm finding it hard to get my head round the pessimism regarding this. The appt is ONLY for 5 games; as munksyb summarises it's a (temporary) kick up the derriere for the slackers; what happens after the close of play is something we should worry about then. I see this as a bit of a 'short, sharp shock' for the players after Wilson ran out of ideas and, probably, motivation. And for once I'm amazed McCabe has actually done something BEFORE the impending implosion we all knew was in the cards...miracles DO happen :)

Chris Morgan's Red 'n' White Army! UTB!
 
Right, I've slept on it so thought I'd offer a couple of my thoughts.

People keep going on about how he'll introduce passion and how they wouldn't fancy facing Morgan at half time. Is it just me that sees the latter as a bad thing? The best thing about the Blades team when Wilson took over was that they were encouraged to try something different, be it to shoot from distance or try some exciting bit of skill. If the players are shitting themselves for fear of a half time kicking, is this not going to stifle them even more than they already appear to be?

Passion. If it was as simple as somebody being threatening towards the players and saying "Reit then lads, guh aaht theere and try reit 'ard or else tha't gonna gerra reit bollockin" everybody would be a football manager.

As I've said previously, I hope it works out with Morgs, for obvious reasons, the main one being I don't fancy another division in this sack of shit league. I pay to watch footballers do things that most blokes on the street can't and, at this level, I don't see much of it, other than the interesting gift if seemingly being blessed with the gift of three lungs and no talent. It's like a division full of Monties, with the odd exception. Most try hard and can run all day, but have little ability.

I'm just not sure our players are good enough for injection of passion and effort to be sufficient to transform us into a team that will win all its remaining games.

Please, prove me wrong, because I honestly don't mind being made to look a twat on this occasion.
 
Latters said:
Right, I've slept on it so thought I'd offer a couple of my thoughts.

People keep going on about how he'll introduce passion and how they wouldn't fancy facing Morgan at half time. Is it just me that sees the latter as a bad thing? The best thing about the Blades team when Wilson took over was that they were encouraged to try something different, be it to shoot from distance or try some exciting bit of skill. If the players are shitting themselves for fear of a half time kicking, is this not going to stifle them even more than they already appear to be?

Passion. If it was as simple as somebody being threatening towards the players and saying "Reit then lads, guh aaht theere and try reit 'ard or else tha't gonna gerra reit bollockin" everybody would be a football manager.

As I've said previously, I hope it works out with Morgs, for obvious reasons, the main one being I don't fancy another division in this sack of shit league. I pay to watch footballers do things that most blokes on the street can't and, at this level, I don't see much of it, other than the interesting gift if seemingly being blessed with the gift of three lungs and no talent. It's like a division full of Monties, with the odd exception. Most try hard and can run all day, but have little ability.

I'm just not sure our players are good enough for injection of passion and effort to be sufficient to transform us into a team that will win all its remaining games.

Please, prove me wrong, because I honestly don't mind being made to look a twat on this occasion.
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At this late stage it might be just what is needed, and although he aint gonna change a whole lot in the short time he will have, maybe just a couple of easy things ,

appoint someone to take the corners, and have them doing nothing but putting the ball in the right place, i.e. at least beating the first man.
have a contest to find someone who can be an exponent of the long throw, ( not pretty , but it can pay dividends ).
make sure the front 2 dont drop too far back, and keep linked together like Dean & Agana were.
( we wont win if we dont score goals.
 
Latters said:
Right, I've slept on it so thought I'd offer a couple of my thoughts.

People keep going on about how he'll introduce passion and how they wouldn't fancy facing Morgan at half time. Is it just me that sees the latter as a bad thing? The best thing about the Blades team when Wilson took over was that they were encouraged to try something different, be it to shoot from distance or try some exciting bit of skill. If the players are shitting themselves for fear of a half time kicking, is this not going to stifle them even more than they already appear to be?

Passion. If it was as simple as somebody being threatening towards the players and saying "Reit then lads, guh aaht theere and try reit 'ard or else tha't gonna gerra reit bollockin" everybody would be a football manager.

As I've said previously, I hope it works out with Morgs, for obvious reasons, the main one being I don't fancy another division in this sack of shit league. I pay to watch footballers do things that most blokes on the street can't and, at this level, I don't see much of it, other than the interesting gift if seemingly being blessed with the gift of three lungs and no talent. It's like a division full of Monties, with the odd exception. Most try hard and can run all day, but have little ability.

I'm just not sure our players are good enough for injection of passion and effort to be sufficient to transform us into a team that will win all its remaining games.

Please, prove me wrong, because I honestly don't mind being made to look a twat on this occasion.
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Indeed. It seems to be a peculiar part of football culture in general and perhaps Sheffield football culture in particular to think that shouting as loud as you can at someone is the best way to motivate them, it being a man's game and all that.
 
In Morgans defense (if its required) from people I know who have spoken to him he's considerably articulate and intelligent when it comes to talking about the game. I know it came as a surprise to a few of them how he actually thinks about the game and he's not all "passion and getting stuck in".
 
Whatever happens now, the performances at home since Christmas has been totally unacceptable!
We have a wave of sympathy for Wilson which I find astonishing - we have not scored at home in the last four matches and only scored three goals in our last two away games(a fluke at Tranmere and an in off the post at Walsall) - we got a drubbing at Stevenage and have only gained five points out of the last 18 possible!
The football has been dire to watch and yet Wilson trots out the same lame excuses!
Whether Morgan succeeds or not we will have to wait and see but it can't be as painful as watching the last four home games!!
 
Kev Gee said:
I hope Morgan does well. But TBH if the players cant to perform, he cannot suddenly turn them into world beaters can he?

The team has no width, pace & is nesh in the challenge. Oh and they also cannot pass the ball 5 yards.

He has a job on his hands. But i wish him the best.
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One big question will be whether the older players respect Morgan and will play for him. Morgan is 35, Robson and Higginbotham are 34, Kitson is 33, Hill 32 and Doyle 31.

Now, more than ever, we need leaders on the field who are all pulling in the same direction. Robson, Higginbotham and Kitson won't be here next season. How much do they care?
 
I think we sometimes write off players professionalism too easily and with little knowledge.
Cresswell used to get terrible flack from supporters calling him a leach etc when I knew from people in the medical team and coaching staff that this couldn't be further from the truth.
I think those 5, at their age will probably have more drive and determination to pull this round than most. Sure you'll always get a bad apple, but these are hardly mercenaries who've come to us for a payday until the next offer comes in.
From a personal point of view I know I certainly care more about my roles and wider impact of my workpractice and decisions than I did when I was starting out in my career. I know there are younger member of my team who look up to me for direction and inspiration and its my role to provide it and assist them.
Why would this be so much different in a football club?
 
munksyb said:
At this late stage it might be just what is needed, and although he aint gonna change a whole lot in the short time he will have, maybe just a couple of easy things ,

appoint someone to take the corners, and have them doing nothing but putting the ball in the right place, i.e. at least beating the first man.
have a contest to find someone who can be an exponent of the long throw, ( not pretty , but it can pay dividends ).
make sure the front 2 dont drop too far back, and keep linked together like Dean & Agana were.
( we wont win if we dont score goals.
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And lets keep 2 players up the field when the opposition has a corner.
 



Anyone care to bet that Martin Samuels will use this to have another go at United?
 
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