Monty Knockers

[Mousey]

This is to all the posters who vehemently claim that Monty does nothing more than destroy football and lose the ball to the opposition team.

How about we do a little test to see how accurate you are?

I propose the first home game of the season (QPR, a decent side) that we take count of how many times one of his passes goes to an opposition player. This doesn't include tackles or headers, but strictly down to passing for which he seems to get an unfair slating.

I had a bet on this a couple of years ago away to Watford and everybody's darling at the time, Kyle Naughton, was the other side to the bet. He gave the ball away 3 times more often than Monty, but not once did he get shouted at for it.

So who of the starting 11 do you think will make less displaced passes than Lord Montgomery?

 

[sheffielder]

You are comparing a central midfielder againa right back (who has less options)

 

[Pinchy]

I've tested him many times over many years. His control and passing are appalling. He has no vision or creativity whatsoever. You may be happy with mediocrity; Many of us have loftier ideals.

 

[Mousey]

You are comparing a central midfielder againa right back (who has less options)

The other player was not my choice. Again I said any of the starting 11 were up for choice.

I've tested him many times over many years. His control and passing are appalling. He has no vision or creativity whatsoever. You may be happy with mediocrity; Many of us have loftier ideals.

So go on, take up the gauntlet

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Although we've bought him as an attacking midfielder, Britton did the 'Monty' job for Swansea, that would be a far fairer comparison.

As a former 'Monty Knocker', I've no problems with him in the team and the job he does provided he has the right players around him. If he can do his usual job then give it to Britton to do something with it or has Ward/Yeates etc available, he'll look a far better player.

 

[Grecian2000]

Tony Currie gave the ball away far more often than Trevor Hockey because it was his job to find the "killer" ball and try and create something. That's a far harder skill than simply keeping possesion so a one to one comparison is not an accurate reflection. Perhaps Ertl, who ought to play a similar role, should be the yardstick.

However, we did something similar the season before last and Monty gave the ball to the opposition in 14 of his first 20 attempts (this did include headers). It's a big enough chore seeing him on the field without having to count his passes as well so we gave up at 20.

 

[raul]

So if Monty shins one ten yards sideways to Squinny, who then tries to thread a thirty yarder between two defenders to set Wardy free and it fails, it's Monty 1 The Rest 0?

 

[LouTheBlade]

You are comparing a central midfielder againa right back (who has less options)

Nonsense. A right back can knock it along the back four or look for the wide man in front of him. A central midfielder is surrounded by opposition players nearly all the time and has players (usually marked up) looking to move up ahead of them.

 

[Mousey]

Tony Currie gave the ball away far more often than Trevor Hockey because it was his job to find the "killer" ball and try and create something. That's a far harder skill than simply keeping possesion so a one to one comparison is not an accurate reflection. Perhaps Ertl, who ought to play a similar role, should be the yardstick.

However, we did something similar the season before last and Monty gave the ball to the opposition in 14 of his first 20 attempts (this did include headers). It's a big enough chore seeing him on the field without having to count his passes as well so we gave up at 20.

I never mentioned the type of pass, I purely said a pass because that is all people knock him for.

Granted the Hollywood ball is less likely to find our own player, so why play it? Just keep the ball moving to our own players. This is what people want isn't it? Because I'm sure a 30 yard Hollywood ball that doesn't find it's man would be classed as hoofing it. And this is all because Kevin Blackwell is the devil.

 

[Grecian2000]

Nonsense. A right back can knock it along the back four

How many times did Naughton look to go along the back four to Morgan? Bollock all. He would have had hoofy's boot squarely up his arse if he had.

 

[Grecian2000]

I never mentioned the type of pass, I purely said a pass because that is all people knock him for.

Granted the Hollywood ball is less likely to find our own player, so why play it? Just keep the ball moving to our own players. This is what people want isn't it? Because I'm sure a 30 yard Hollywood ball that doesn't find it's man would be classed as hoofing it. And this is all because Kevin Blackwell is the devil.

OK. If you say so.

 

[Mousey]

OK. If you say so.

Are you agreeing or attempting to be patronising?

 

[Dog Blade]

Nonsense. A right back can knock it along the back four or look for the wide man in front of him. A central midfielder is surrounded by opposition players nearly all the time and has players (usually marked up) looking to move up ahead of them.

Nonsense - how many times does our back four drop off to receive the ball....
Monty has been a must in the team for a while - mainly because we've had no one better and the style has been very direct
IF we are changing this year and Britton is to be pulling the strings then Monty could be under pressure if he starts poorly. Ertl could prove to be a good foil for Britton (at home when Blackwell plays more than one centre forward...)

 

[JohnDenver]

So if Monty shins one ten yards sideways to Squinny, who then tries to thread a thirty yarder between two defenders to set Wardy free and it fails, it's Monty 1 The Rest 0?

Yup. You're getting the hang of it.

And of course Quinny played that pass over his left shoulder and without looking first. 1-0 Monty!

 

[Grecian2000]

Are you agreeing or attempting to be patronising?

All depends if you were being serious or sarcastic.

 

[Mousey]

All depends if you were being serious or sarcastic.

I was being serious. Except Kevin Blackwell being the devil, he's probably only red from high blood pressure.

 

[Grecian2000]

Granted the Hollywood ball is less likely to find our own player, so why play it? Just keep the ball moving to our own players. This is what people want isn't it? Because I'm sure a 30 yard Hollywood ball that doesn't find it's man would be classed as hoofing it.

OK. If you were being serious then I was being sarcastic. If you were being sarcastic I was agreeing with you.

As you were being serious I'll take out the sarcastic bit and reply to the rest.

What I want is to retain possesion and, at some point, break down the opposition by either passing around them, through them or getting to the byeline by passing or beating a man. At some point in every move there is a point where some risk has to be taken. This may be a 30 yard "hollywood" (TC would sneer at a mere 30 yards but . . .) or it may be an intricate through ball. What I was trying to point out is that Monty loses the ball when not even trying the "hollywood".
Pretty much why I suggested Ertl as the only player to compare him with because I'm sure Britton will be the risk taking midfielder this season.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Bottom line is that Monty is KB's security blanket, he doesn't seem to dare playing without him. I'm sure from what I saw on Sunday that Britton and Ertl could do a decent job in a 4-4-2 but maybe playing the 4-5-1 or whatever you want to call it will give more licence to Britton to get forward which can't be a bad thing.

 

[LouTheBlade]

How many times did Naughton look to go along the back four to Morgan? Bollock all. He would have had hoofy's boot squarely up his arse if he had.

Ok...........

 

[LouTheBlade]

Nonsense - how many times does our back four drop off to receive the ball....

But I wasn't talking about our back four. My comment was a general one about full backs and midfielders - which was in response to a general comment about the same thing.

But in relation to your comment, a lot more times than you care to remember.

 

[Dog Blade]

But I wasn't talking about our back four. My comment was a general one about full backs and midfielders - which was in response to a general comment about the same thing.

But in relation to your comment, a lot more times than you care to remember.

Sorry - thought we were on about Monty - so agree with that

On the second part, I don't think so, but hopefully a little more this season

 

[Worksop II]

This is to all the posters who vehemently claim that Monty does nothing more than destroy football and lose the ball to the opposition team.

I propose the first home game of the season

Pah ! thats just a ruse to get the NRS to cough up and go to the Lane.

How about we do it for this Sunday, on the box, plenty of replays.

Also worth reminding you, that it took 13 seconds for Monty to shin one to a Burnley Player in the Playoff Final, check it and see.

And Monty Knockers ??? If he had a pair it would stop his first touch bouncing head high

 

[Bents Green]

And Monty Knockers ??? If he had a pair it would stop his first touch bouncing head high [/QUOTE]

that made me laugh

 

[Robbie]

You are comparing a central midfielder againa right back (who has less options)

A right back would also make less passes, as he should see less of the ball.

Also, what the OP refers to is, how many times the ball was given away, not how many times a succesful pass was made.

To be honest, a RB, shouldn't really give the ball away too much.

 

[Fiery Blade]

No matter how we dress it up Monty is a very, very, limited footballer
Positives:
1) Always gives 100% effort
2) Good Man to Man Marker when necessary
3) Fully Committed
4) Upsets the champagne players of the Premier League with his no nonsense attitude and approach

Negatives:
1) Generally gives the ball away to the opposition
2) Finds tha art of passing to the same coloured shirt extremely difficult
3) Finds the art of controlling a football extremely difficult
4) Lacks ideas on the field
5) Gives away dangerous free kicks unnecessarily
6) Cant Shoot
7) Scores very few goals

I am sure Monty is the genuine article and he runs his blood to water for the Blades
But, sad to say He ain't good enough

 

[Worksop II]

I am sure Monty is the genuine article and he runs his blood to water for the Blades
But, sad to say He ain't good enough

Unfortunately, today, he is good enough for the First Team.

And even though he is good enough for our First Team, McCabe cant find a buyer for him or he would have gone, we are scraping the bottom of our very creaky and worn Barrel.

 

[super_pig]

> I had a bet on this a couple of years ago away to Watford
probably young kyles worst game
i'll take up the bet.. i'll bet you a sportsmans amount.. say a tenner that monty makes more misplaced passes than anyone else (prays quinn isn't playing)

 

[Fiery Blade]

> I had a bet on this a couple of years ago away to Watford
probably young kyles worst game
i'll take up the bet.. i'll bet you a sportsmans amount.. say a tenner that monty makes more misplaced passes than anyone else (prays quinn isn't playing)

Easy Money! Good if you can get it!

 

[Torrix1889]

Hopefully your experiment will be a non-starter as the useless lump will hopefully be on the bench..........

 

[Ollessendro]

So who of the starting 11 do you think will make less displaced passes than Lord Montgomery?

Britton. £20?