Millwall fans at it already

[Sean Thornton]

Sarf of the river guv? At this time a night? Nah. A Pony? Don’t make me larf. Got to be a great created newt at least. I had that Tommy Robinson in the cab last week. Gentleman he is.........

 

[BladeFisher]

St Mary le Bow is on Cheapside (near the Bank of England) and in the old days you could hear the bells for a radius of around 5-6m. That would include Millwall.

Absolutely. Leyton Orient??? give him an atlas, Brisbane Road is miles away over 6 miles, Arsenal at the Emirates is nearer 3.3 miles. Ironically Upton Park was even further away at over 7.5 miles. The New Den is nearer to Bow Church than was Upton Park.

 

[BladeFisher]

So until quite recently then?

Well just 11 years after the Pigs migrated to the wilds of Hillsborough.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Absolutely. Leyton Orient??? give him an atlas, Brisbane Road is miles away over 6 miles, Arsenal at the Emirates is nearer 3.3 miles. Ironically Upton Park was even further away at over 7.5 miles. The New Den is nearer to Bow Church than was Upton Park.

Two points. I did say Brisbane Road was nearer than the Boleyn Ground and it’s a well known FACT that only a err, North Easterly wind blows from err, Cheapside.......

 

[blade too long]

 

[BladeFisher]

Two points. I did say Brisbane Road was nearer than the Boleyn Ground and it’s a well known FACT that only a err, North Easterly wind blows from err, Cheapside.......

In which case the first to hear it would be FLC fans at Stamford Bridge!

 

[Sean Thornton]

In which case the first to hear it would be FLC fans at Stamford Bridge!

That'd be South West. No?

 

[I should coco]

That'd be South West. No?

No.

You're not very good at this meteorology lark are you? A North Easterly wind does what it says on the tin; it blows from the North East, and therefore would blow toward the South West.

Give it some thought.

It is not that complicated.

Even for you........

 

[Sean Thornton]

No.

You're not very good at this meteorology lark are you? A North Easterly wind does what it says on the tin; it blows from the North East, and therefore would blow toward the South West.

Give it some thought.

It is not that complicated.

Even for you........

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[CarlMcBlade]

It’s may only be the “B” squad on the pitch. But it gives a rare run out for the “B” squad in the seats. Brighton was a rare away outing for me (great day) but we only got there because “loyalty points cartel” didn’t fancy the trip the weekend before Crimbo. More loyalty points for us uninitiated

 

[I should coco]

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Seanyboy you little tinker, I didn't know you cared!

 

[Pedro Verde]

I can’t remember us ever having 3 away trips to London on the bounce by the way, that’s one for the stattos our there.

We had 2 London away games in the space of 4 days over Easter in late 70s I think, Good Friday and Easter Monday
Orient and Fulham Bobby Campbell got sent off at Fulham both were 11am kick offs

 

[him behind you]

My point was more that there are always people saying they can't get tickets to the glamorous away ties due to a lack of loyalty points so surely these people will take their opportunity to go to millwall away where the demand won't be so great.

Worth pointing out that the people that aren't in the higher bands of loyalty points won't have had 3 London away trips on the bounce....

I will be just for the points as it should get me top side of 40k.

 

[him behind you]

It’s may only be the “B” squad on the pitch. But it gives a rare run out for the “B” squad in the seats. Brighton was a rare away outing for me (great day) but we only got there because “loyalty points cartel” didn’t fancy the trip the weekend before Crimbo. More loyalty points for us uninitiated

I'm exactly the same. Does this also make the "Loyalty Points cartel" basically glory hunters

 

[Hamburg Blade]

But the new Den is nearer St Mary’s. Obviously you have to consider how far the bells could be heard at the time the definition of a ‘cockney’ was first postulated, otherwise it’s meaningless. Millwall, are a cockney club. Cockney doesn’t mean ‘east ender’ exclusively. The east end isn’t the only area within the sound of the Bow bells.

In fact, when the definition was first used, it covered the entire boundaries of the City of London. So all Londoners were cockneys. Similarly, in modern times, immigrants (particularly the Irish) used the term to describe anyone from a ‘traditional’ London heritage.

What if someone rings the bells quietly? Do a load of people suddenly start talking normally?

 

[Cheesebored]

What if someone rings the bells quietly? Do a load of people suddenly start talking normally?

I had a mate who was a campanologist. He used to wrap the rope around his cock until the church warden found out and tolled him off. Goodnight.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

I had a mate who was a campanologist. He used to wrap the rope around his cock until the church warden found out and tolled him off. Goodnight.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

As far as I'm concerned Cockneyness has expanded as far north as Peterborough, east to Great Yarmouth and west halfway to Bristol. All a bit worrying!!!!

 

[HammerInPeace]

Millwall football ground is in South London, but Millwall is in East London. An early example of WimbledonMilton Keynesism along with Arsenal.

Wash your mouth out! East?
Sean's got it right, SE

Actually, now I think about it, it's YOU that's right!!!
Millwall is on The Isle of Dogs (the U bend on the Thames on the Eastenders pic).
So, that is North of the Thames but, the postcode is E(ast)14.
The Millwall football club started life on the Isle of Dogs so yes, until 1910, Millwall WERE an East London club. The cannery & food preserve factory workers in the Millwall Docks becoming rivals with the WHU shipbuilding workers, just East along the river in the Royal Docks. I think some early Union disagreements really cemented the first real animosity, between the two groups of workers. Funnily enough, many of both sets of the workers had come down from Scotland..
In the previous 25 years they had played at four different sites on the 'island', really needed a bigger place & so had to leave & ended up crossing the river, where presumably a cesspit more land was available..

 

[HammerInPeace]

Not sure if this has ever been pointed out on any football forum ever but Millwall aren’t and never have been a “cockney” team whatever criteria* is used. The only two league sides are West Ham and, Truer cockernees being nearer to the church of St Mary de la Bow I believe, Leyton Orient.


*Other than “lager top” (shandy) drinkers which covers all of them Lahdeners. Gertcha!

Bizarrely, 'Bow Bells' have nothing to do with Bow. I believe the 'Bow Bells' were actually in a church in The Strand, which is actually near Charing Cross.
To have heard those Bow Bells from West Ham, you would have needed bionic hearing..so really, I'm not sure why we ended up being called Cockerney.
And until 1965, West Ham was in Essex anyway...and North Woolwich (which is/was North of the river) was in part of Kent..well I'm confused..

 

[HammerInPeace]

But the new Den is nearer St Mary’s. Obviously you have to consider how far the bells could be heard at the time the definition of a ‘cockney’ was first postulated, otherwise it’s meaningless. Millwall, are a cockney club. Cockney doesn’t mean ‘east ender’ exclusively. The east end isn’t the only area within the sound of the Bow bells.

In fact, when the definition was first used, it covered the entire boundaries of the City of London. So all Londoners were cockneys. Similarly, in modern times, immigrants (particularly the Irish) used the term to describe anyone from a ‘traditional’ London heritage.

I wouldn't consider South or South East Londoners as cockneys but, you could be right, maybe they are?
Be interesting to know if Millwall fans consider themselves part of the family as cockneys?
Don't ask them that when you play them though, just in case!

 

[HammerInPeace]

They were in the Isle of Dogs till 1910. Given that to Londoners the North London/South London thing can be a bit of an issue - River Thames and all that - I would argue it is a big difference. As I heard a Spurs fan saying about Arsenal the other week........ grunt grunt they're not Nawwf Lundun they're Saarf Lundun, Woolich! (sic)

Yes, that North/South London thing can be an issue, certainly with youngers. Very like Blades & Wednesday, I imagine.

 

[HammerInPeace]

Sarf of the river guv? At this time a night? Nah. A Pony? Don’t make me larf. Got to be a great created newt at least. I had that Tommy Robinson in the cab last week. Gentleman he is.........

.......but still an utter c*nt though..

 

[HammerInPeace]

In which case the first to hear it would be FLC fans at Stamford Bridge!

And they can fuck right off..

 

[HammerInPeace]

As far as I'm concerned Cockneyness has expanded as far north as Peterborough, east to Great Yarmouth and west halfway to Bristol. All a bit worrying!!!!

You got a farkin' point there, mate. We're like farkin' Japanese Knotweed..
Won't be long before people are singing, 'On Ilkley Moor, without me farkin' 'at'...

 

[BushBlade]

I wouldn't consider South or South East Londoners as cockneys but, you could be right, maybe they are?
Be interesting to know if Millwall fans consider themselves part of the family as cockneys?
Don't ask them that when you play them though, just in case!

If you use the ‘born within the sound of bow bells’ definition they are.

But I’ve been in London for nearly twenty years and I’ve never heard anyone say they’re a cockney.

Maybe I’ll do a vlog. Film myself going round the Den on match day saying ‘excuse me sir, but would you consider yourself to be a cockney?’

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

You got a farkin' point there, mate. We're like farkin' Japanese Knotweed..
Won't be long before people are singing, 'On Ilkley Moor, without me farkin' 'at'...

"Boiled beef an' Yorkshires, na na na na nah nah, nah nah"!!!!
There is a Blades version of "My ol' man said foller the van" which is priceless, but obscene, so even we're swayed by a bit of a knees-up!

 

[Dkc]

Maybe I’ll do a vlog. Film myself going round the Den on match day saying ‘excuse me sir, but would you consider yourself to be a cockney?’

Perhaps you could bring along a mike and camera and film the whole escapade!

 

[BushBlade]

Perhaps you could bring along a mike and camera and film the whole escapade!

I wish I’d thought of that.