Micky Adams approach confirmed

[silverfox]

http://www.port-vale.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10381~2251343,00.html

Port Vale Football Club can confirm that it has received an official approach from Sheffield United to speak to manager Micky Adams.

Said Chairman Bill Bratt: "We have received an approach and we have reluctantly allowed Micky to speak to them.

"Micky is a terrific manager, who has been up front and honest with us throughout the process.

 

[beightonblade]

not a bad move by United .....................even if SOD is 1st choice !

 

[Torrix1889]

The more I think about it the more I would like Adams.................SOD may not be able to cope outside his Donny comfort blanket and I think ultimately that's what will stop him coming.

 

[hykeham_blade]

I'm more than happy with this approach. I'd rather have someone who is fully committed to the cause at the helm. As Micky is a Blade he cerrtainly would not have any problem instilling passion into the players - something which I believe has been missing since Warnock left.

 

[Woodwaaard]

The minimum requirement for any professional footballer is to give 100% effort.

When they give 100% they appear passionate.

Those that don't give 100% are frauds. A manager needs to remind players of their responsibilities but he needs to be tactically astute as well.

Mickey Adams may be able to do both and, if appointed, I'm sure he'll do his best.
If he can only do the former then we'll be in the same boat as we've been for years.

Consequently, I'd rather have SOD or Eddie Howe and allow them time. The "other" method has given us some good times but we've usually been the proverbial bridesmaid.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Blimey - they've had an Adams to us thread on their forum a while, has got over a thousand replies:
http://www.onevalefan.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=49751

Well that's 3 clubs we have unsettled so far - I'm putting money on whoever they're all playing over the next few days

 

[Yossarian]

Some kind of accumulator might not be a bad idea.

 

[GAZBLADE]

What kind of style does Adams play??

 

[DuncDisorderly]

They dance around the pitch doing 'jazz hands' like little girls...

 

[Paulus]

4.57 am on Christmas morning Dunc? I think someone has been tiptoeing around bedrooms making like a beardy guy in a red coat. Happy Christmas to one and all.

 

[Ollessendro]

Terrible fucking nws. Heard this last night around midnight and it has ruined my Christams day. Complete lack of ambition from United. We have bottled it and gone for the cheap option again. I even wrote on my Christmas list that all I wanted from Santa was Sean O'Driscoll. I was up on the karaoke in the Frog and Parrot last night (after a few Timothy Taylor Landlord's) singing 'all I want for Christmas is SOD'. Now fucking Birch has ruined my Christmas with his lack of ambition for the club. You can dress it up however you want, Adams is the cheap option. He is the easy option. Birch and McCabe wilkl give it the old 'passionate, a Blade, knows the loer divisions' etc, but I am not fooled. O'Driscoll was the man and United have fooked it up again.

Our lass has fucked off for Christmas and now Birch does this. I've decided to invite the loacl slag round to my shed for xmas dinner. Not even sure a blow job whilst I am eating my turkey will cheer me up. My 8th can of John Smith's is taking the edge off things, but I am really worried about this.

 

[Pinchy]

There's a few twists and turns yet to come in this 'Whomanagesit?'

I should not be in the least surprised if it turns out to be SOD after all. His 'statement' was not his it all. It came from the DRFC press officer. It took a lot if words to say very little.

I'm still 100% SOD. I'm very worried at the prospect of more of the same from Hoofy Adams and I really can't see what Andy Scott has done to merit consideration.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

Terrible fucking nws. Heard this last night around midnight and it has ruined my Christams day. Complete lack of ambition from United. We have bottled it and gone for the cheap option again. I even wrote on my Christmas list that all I wanted from Santa was Sean O'Driscoll. I was up on the karaoke in the Frog and Parrot last night (after a few Timothy Taylor Landlord's) singing 'all I want for Christmas is SOD'. Now fucking Birch has ruined my Christmas with his lack of ambition for the club. You can dress it up however you want, Adams is the cheap option. He is the easy option. Birch and McCabe wilkl give it the old 'passionate, a Blade, knows the loer divisions' etc, but I am not fooled. O'Driscoll was the man and United have fooked it up again.

Our lass has fucked off for Christmas and now Birch does this. I've decided to invite the loacl slag round to my shed for xmas dinner. Not even sure a blow job whilst I am eating my turkey will cheer me up. My 8th can of John Smith's is taking the edge off things, but I am really worried about this.

Didn't you get your Hannah Montana Annual then Ollie? And you've been such a good boy too...

 

[yorkshirecoast]

Terrible fucking nws. Heard this last night around midnight and it has ruined my Christams day. Complete lack of ambition from United. We have bottled it and gone for the cheap option again. I even wrote on my Christmas list that all I wanted from Santa was Sean O'Driscoll. I was up on the karaoke in the Frog and Parrot last night (after a few Timothy Taylor Landlord's) singing 'all I want for Christmas is SOD'. Now fucking Birch has ruined my Christmas with his lack of ambition for the club. You can dress it up however you want, Adams is the cheap option. He is the easy option. Birch and McCabe wilkl give it the old 'passionate, a Blade, knows the loer divisions' etc, but I am not fooled. O'Driscoll was the man and United have fooked it up again.

Our lass has fucked off for Christmas and now Birch does this. I've decided to invite the loacl slag round to my shed for xmas dinner. Not even sure a blow job whilst I am eating my turkey will cheer me up. My 8th can of John Smith's is taking the edge off things, but I am really worried about this.

Eh?! Since when has appointing SOD been a sign of ambition? The guy has eventually done ok with a small club, with no presssure - but was given a lot of time to get it right (and but for a patient Chairman would have been sacked when their fans wanted him out). His overall management record is average at best. The more I hear & read about SOD the more I think he might struggle at a club where expectations are much higher than he is used to.

Adams has a much better record and has proven himself far more than SOD.

 

[alcoblade]

Our lass has fucked off

Y' see, it's not just us!



UTB

 

[bartman]

Terrible fucking nws. Heard this last night around midnight and it has ruined my Christams day. Complete lack of ambition from United. We have bottled it and gone for the cheap option again. I even wrote on my Christmas list that all I wanted from Santa was Sean O'Driscoll. I was up on the karaoke in the Frog and Parrot last night (after a few Timothy Taylor Landlord's) singing 'all I want for Christmas is SOD'. Now fucking Birch has ruined my Christmas with his lack of ambition for the club. You can dress it up however you want, Adams is the cheap option. He is the easy option. Birch and McCabe wilkl give it the old 'passionate, a Blade, knows the loer divisions' etc, but I am not fooled. O'Driscoll was the man and United have fooked it up again.

Our lass has fucked off for Christmas and now Birch does this. I've decided to invite the loacl slag round to my shed for xmas dinner. Not even sure a blow job whilst I am eating my turkey will cheer me up. My 8th can of John Smith's is taking the edge off things, but I am really worried about this.

Go on then Olle,if we cannot get SOD(for whatever reason...ever thought he might think the job is too big for him) who would you have as manager...you don't appear to give alternatives

 

[Pinchy]

It won't happen but Steve Coppell would be the outstanding candidate.

We are crying out for proper football: that is overwhelmingly the prevailing mood. I don't think Adams will sign up to the plan. Why Andy Scott is a candidate to manage SUFC is a mystery to me.

As for Wilder, Holdsworth and all the other 'Blades' - sentimental, parochial nonsense.

Come on SOD - save our club from more of the same.

 

[shorehamview]

It won't happen but Steve Coppell would be the outstanding candidate......

Only if the advert for the job reads "Bottleless Monotone Whinging Twat Required. Candidate must have all the personality of a dead giraffe and suffer from migraine attacks if he spends more than one day past Watford Gap Services."


On the subject of Adams being approached, what if the club have him on a shortlist of possible candidates? And if O'Driscoll is approached and turns us down, then who would or should we approach after him? United have also approached Andy Scott and others, so why the panic because Micky Adams isn't O'Driscoll and other managers have been approached with a view to an interview?

 

[DuncDisorderly]

...why the panic...

Here is the nub of the issue SV. I would have said that having spoken to O'Driscoll and Adams, if we then end up with Adams, then it is not 'a cheaper option', nor it is not 'an unambitious choice'. Could it be that it is because he might, just might have been the best candidate?

Makes me wonder if the people shouting loudest have ever done a job interview. The more you pre-judge people from their CV then the worse your choice will be. I've interviewed lots of folk and lived with the consequences of my decisions, some great, some not so great. After a while you get a feel for the character of the person, their motivations, and so on. Only the people in the room, asking the questions and seeing the reactions, the body language and the responses can know what they saw and heard, and the decision will be made on this. Only if it is very close do their renumeration demands come into play. Yes you might take the cheaper man, but never the inferior one.

Shouting that the clubs decision constitutes a complete disaster before the decisions are even made just shows that you need to get a grip and stop behaving like petulant and spoiled kids. You're just showing how little you know and appreciate about the processes and demands of being in a position of authority like a CEO of a football club. Problem is you aren't smart enough to understand this inescapable conclusion, and therefore it never occurs to you to keep your ill-informed and stupid opinions to yourself.

There, I said it...

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Here is the nub of the issue SV. I would have said that having spoken to O'Driscoll and Adams, if we then end up with Adams, then it is not 'a cheaper option', nor it is not 'an unambitious choice'. Could it be that it is because he might, just might have been the best candidate?

Makes me wonder if the people shouting loudest have ever done a job interview. The more you pre-judge people from their CV then the worse your choice will be. I've interviewed lots of folk and lived with the consequences of my decisions, some great, some not so great. After a while you get a feel for the character of the person, their motivations, and so on. Only the people in the room, asking the questions and seeing the reactions, the body language and the responses can know what they saw and heard, and the decision will be made on this. Only if it is very close do their renumeration demands come into play. Yes you might take the cheaper man, but never the inferior one.

Shouting that the clubs decision constitutes a complete disaster before the decisions are even made just shows that you need to get a grip and stop behaving like petulant and spoiled kids. You're just showing how little you know and appreciate about the processes and demands of being in a position of authority like a CEO of a football club. Problem is you aren't smart enough to understand this inescapable conclusion, and therefore it never occurs to you to keep your ill-informed and stupid opinions to yourself.

There, I said it...

And it was well said Duncs. Maybe even needed to be said, not to anyone in articular but to all who will listen

Yes you might take the cheaper man, but never the inferior one is exactly right

 

[chipsncake]

Here is the nub of the issue SV. I would have said that having spoken to O'Driscoll and Adams, if we then end up with Adams, then it is not 'a cheaper option', nor it is not 'an unambitious choice'. Could it be that it is because he might, just might have been the best candidate?

Makes me wonder if the people shouting loudest have ever done a job interview. The more you pre-judge people from their CV then the worse your choice will be. I've interviewed lots of folk and lived with the consequences of my decisions, some great, some not so great. After a while you get a feel for the character of the person, their motivations, and so on. Only the people in the room, asking the questions and seeing the reactions, the body language and the responses can know what they saw and heard, and the decision will be made on this. Only if it is very close do their renumeration demands come into play. Yes you might take the cheaper man, but never the inferior one.

Shouting that the clubs decision constitutes a complete disaster before the decisions are even made just shows that you need to get a grip and stop behaving like petulant and spoiled kids. You're just showing how little you know and appreciate about the processes and demands of being in a position of authority like a CEO of a football club. Problem is you aren't smart enough to understand this inescapable conclusion, and therefore it never occurs to you to keep your ill-informed and stupid opinions to yourself.

There, I said it...

Not very often this happens but I agree with your every word. Have always felt this race will be won or lost at interview and unlike most do not think SOD is the man for us.

 

[travellingblade]

Here is the nub of the issue SV. I would have said that having spoken to O'Driscoll and Adams, if we then end up with Adams, then it is not 'a cheaper option', nor it is not 'an unambitious choice'. Could it be that it is because he might, just might have been the best candidate?

Makes me wonder if the people shouting loudest have ever done a job interview. The more you pre-judge people from their CV then the worse your choice will be. I've interviewed lots of folk and lived with the consequences of my decisions, some great, some not so great. After a while you get a feel for the character of the person, their motivations, and so on. Only the people in the room, asking the questions and seeing the reactions, the body language and the responses can know what they saw and heard, and the decision will be made on this. Only if it is very close do their renumeration demands come into play. Yes you might take the cheaper man, but never the inferior one.

Shouting that the clubs decision constitutes a complete disaster before the decisions are even made just shows that you need to get a grip and stop behaving like petulant and spoiled kids. You're just showing how little you know and appreciate about the processes and demands of being in a position of authority like a CEO of a football club. Problem is you aren't smart enough to understand this inescapable conclusion, and therefore it never occurs to you to keep your ill-informed and stupid opinions to yourself.

Yet again, I agree totally with your summary of the situation.

 

[beightonblade]

correct Dunc .........................................BUT...............irrelevent if the interview is being conducted by blithering idiots and or incompetent management.

No matter who is appointed as the new manager unless a dramatic change takes place at BDTBL it will continue to be same owd !

How about Micky, Carver and Sir Bob ?

 

[LSF]

Not very often this happens but I agree with your every word. Have always felt this race will be won or lost at interview and unlike most do not think SOD is the man for us.

Duncan's comments are as ever, on the nail! And Chipsncake may have made a relevant point too. I happen to know with some certainty that Kevin McCabe finds SOD a very difficult person to get on with (now is that the fault of SOd or KM?) so that could have some bearing on the outcome of all this.....

 

[sheffielder]

Duncan's comments are as ever, on the nail! And Chipsncake may have made a relevant point too. I happen to know with some certainty that Kevin McCabe finds SOD a very difficult person to get on with (now is that the fault of SOd or KM?) so that could have some bearing on the outcome of all this.....

I have heard the same thing, but my source is very hit and miss. I understand they are using this extra period to find someone who impresses them more. I am sure some will blame KM on this and say why doesn't it matter, however it is KM's cheque book and for once wants to take his time and get it right. The more I hear of S'OD the more against him I become.

 

[creswellblade79]

SOD is a division 1 manager at best that got lucky. i doubt he has the guts to take on a challenge has big has united and im sure if he did come he,d just crumble under the pressure.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

correct Dunc .........................................BUT...............irrelevent if the interview is being conducted by blithering idiots and or incompetent management.

No matter who is appointed as the new manager unless a dramatic change takes place at BDTBL it will continue to be same owd !

From things you have said BB, I have taken it that you are in business yourself, and have been at least reasonably successful? I take it then that when you recruit, you end up picking people like yourself, with a similar view of the world and work ethic? I know I do.

People always recruit people who are like them. You don't have to like them, but you do have to have enough in common to be able to work with them, don't you? Therefore it is likely that we will end up with the same kind of hard-working passionate manager who can deliver the football and success we want, rather than someone who has a completely different outlook...

 

[Trigger Blade]

Duncan's comments are as ever, on the nail! And Chipsncake may have made a relevant point too. I happen to know with some certainty that Kevin McCabe finds SOD a very difficult person to get on with (now is that the fault of SOd or KM?) so that could have some bearing on the outcome of all this.....

Thankfully, KM lives in a different country and isn't Chairman or even part of the interviewing team, so that may not be the problem you think it is. I don't want to come over all Dunc on this, but I've worked with people I didn't get on with and it is manageable, though of course it's better if the personal relationship is good.

As matter of interest, did KM get on well with all the previous incumbents?

 

[Ollessendro]

Didn't you get your Hannah Montana Annual then Ollie? And you've been such a good boy too...

I got a Daniel O'Donnell calender actually

Eh?! Since when has appointing SOD been a sign of ambition? The guy has eventually done ok with a small club, with no presssure - but was given a lot of time to get it right (and but for a patient Chairman would have been sacked when their fans wanted him out). His overall management record is average at best. The more I hear & read about SOD the more I think he might struggle at a club where expectations are much higher than he is used to.

Adams has a much better record and has proven himself far more than SOD.

He is the outstanding candidate. Simple. The vast majority of United fans think he is the manager to turn United around. Have I considered SOD might not be up for it? Yes, but I don't think it's the case. I'm sure he has faith in his ability. His interview on Radio Shef was pretty much a come and get me. Not at any point has he said he isn't interested and doesn't want it. He is ours to get.

Go on then Olle,if we cannot get SOD(for whatever reason...ever thought he might think the job is too big for him) who would you have as manager...you don't appear to give alternatives

I've listed my preference in other threads. Especially for you though Bartman: 1) SOD, 2) Adams and 3) Howe.

Here is the nub of the issue SV. I would have said that having spoken to O'Driscoll and Adams, if we then end up with Adams, then it is not 'a cheaper option', nor it is not 'an unambitious choice'. Could it be that it is because he might, just might have been the best candidate?

Makes me wonder if the people shouting loudest have ever done a job interview. The more you pre-judge people from their CV then the worse your choice will be. I've interviewed lots of folk and lived with the consequences of my decisions, some great, some not so great. After a while you get a feel for the character of the person, their motivations, and so on. Only the people in the room, asking the questions and seeing the reactions, the body language and the responses can know what they saw and heard, and the decision will be made on this. Only if it is very close do their renumeration demands come into play. Yes you might take the cheaper man, but never the inferior one.

Shouting that the clubs decision constitutes a complete disaster before the decisions are even made just shows that you need to get a grip and stop behaving like petulant and spoiled kids. You're just showing how little you know and appreciate about the processes and demands of being in a position of authority like a CEO of a football club. Problem is you aren't smart enough to understand this inescapable conclusion, and therefore it never occurs to you to keep your ill-informed and stupid opinions to yourself.

There, I said it...

You can get on your high horse, but you come across as patronising and self righteous. Your constant defending of the club is tiresome, yet predictable. I haven't seen someone tow the party line as well as you, so well done. The truth is that no matter what decision is made you will defend it and try to find a positive. If it's Scott then it will be potential, Adams it will be passion or whatever. Your 'I am a business man and Ollessendro is an idiot and doesn't see the bigger picture' just smacks of arrogance.

Ok, so let's do it Dunc's way. Forget about the CV and judge it all on the interview. Some people interview better than others, so how do you account for that? SOD is not the most charismatic person, yet Adams is passionate and articulate, so perhaos there is only ne winner there. I've been on the giving and receiving end of interviews. In the civil service EVERYTHING is based on the interview. Performance, CV etc gets you an interview and counts for nothing else. Everything then boils down to 45-1 hour, where someone attampts to judge you. Sure there could be 2 or 3 interviews, but how good an impression can you get from someone in 2 hours? A fairly good one I'm sure you would argue. But how come you have appointed some 'not so good appointments Dunc'. I have not got jobs when I deserved them, becasue I interviewed badly. I have seen excellent candidates not get jobs for the same reason. Your argument is flawed Duncan.

It appears that you have complete and utter trust that Birch will make the right decision. Whatever happens our CEO will make the best decision for the club. Just like he did sacking Blackwell and appointing Speed. But hang on, was that him or the board? It would certainly be his recommendation. I don't have complete confidence that Birch and the baord will get it right. Unlike you I am not willing to have blind faith in the clubs decisions. This is your problem, blindy defening United (like you are on a mission) even when they have clearly got it wrong. And here you go again, putting your full faith behind the club without giving a thought that they could actually get it wrong (again). And you think that I am the one who isn't savvy

 

[Pollingtonblade]

yes the sky is falling in we're doomed!!!

Frosty the snowman says "Chill out Dude"