Merry Christmas Pinchy

[Fanny magnet]

That's interesting, you are a new member of this board yet you know in detail what other members posted a few years ago.

Been reading the site since its early days

 

[HillmortonBlade]

That's interesting, you are a new member of this board yet you know in detail what other members posted a few years ago.

It is interesting indeed... How long until the real identity revealed?

 

[coolhandluke]

Yes probably frequent the same watering holes as well
I was a Silks regular so was our kid.

I get the feeling ill probably know you and Sitwell too . Like your good selves , I was always in Silks aswell .

I heard the other day that another old haunt from back in the day was opening again ..... The Barrow Boys !

 

[1danewhitehouse]

And on the other side of the coin, 9 clubs didn't (virtually half the division).

I would say that the Wednesday, Palace and West Ham signings hardly 'eclipse' the £650,000 paid out for Vinny Jones. They are a higher spend, but still in the same ball park.

I also missed City, Norwich and Everton who spent more on a single player than we did on Jones. Further, I think that year was comparatively our biggest spending under Bassett I think, the following season, these teams all paid more for a player than our most expensive, Brian Gayle.



1. Man u

2. Chelsea

3. Spurs

4. Palace

5. Forest

6. Liverpool

7. Blackburn

8. City

9. Sunderland

10. Pigs

11. Dirties

12. Arsenal

13. Villa

14. Derby

15. Everton

16. Notts County


Despite us raising more than we spent with the sales of the likes of Jones and Agana. Then in 92-93, our most expensive was Alan Kelly at £179k. That was exceeded by 18 of the 22 clubs. If you look at the cumulative expenditure over the period compared with other clubs, I think it’s fair to say we punched above our weight for a few years.

 

[JJ Sefton]

This hoof v anti hoof debate rumbles on, and continues to spactacularly miss the point.

UTB

Nobody is actually having that debate apart from one tedious old bore trying to carve out a personality for himself. All the other contributors on the subject seem to recognise a more nuanced picture.

 

[Lane Ender]

I get the feeling ill probably know you and Sitwell too . Like your good selves , I was always in Silks aswell .

I heard the other day that another old haunt from back in the day was opening again ..... The Barrow Boys !

I've heard the same another good after match venue

 

[LoughboroBlade]

How much did we pay for Flo?

I'm not sure the full figure was disclosed at the time, but I believe the price we paid was somewhere between £350,000 and our Premier League status.

 

[Bladepicker]

Been reading the site since its early days

Purely out of interest, can I have your views on the following?:

Andy Murray

Margaret Thatcher

People taking the piss out of Scousers

 

[ZoneManWilf]

2. His methods would not work today; that's why he has been unemployable (apart from answering Quickfix's phone) for many years.

Quite so. And I think 99% of this forum agrees with that. but dare to show any shade of grey in opinion, and you're in the Hoofwaffe, and must bow down to the all knowing Pinchy. You need to stop pretending you're the only one who knows how proper football is played. You're not.

4. I understand why you find my scribbling tiresome. However, I have come to the conclusion that Bassett's legacy - a generation of fans who, against all modern thinking and ignoring the infallible litmus test of "which clubs win things?" favour the most unsophisticated way to play possible; a way you or I could play if we were young and fit enough - is too high a price for three or four years in the sun. We were admired under Harris - loathed and mocked in equal measure under Bassett.

Nope, you're generalising. I know exactly the style we played under Bassett and it was definitely long ball. Doesn't mean I naturally assume that's the best way to play football. You tar way too many people with the same brush.

5. It is totally disingenuous of people (BTL is a classic example) to varnish Bassett's style to the ludicrous extent that it is claimed that an exquisite Currie pass is no different to a Jones or Fucking-Downes aimless punt. Anyone who can't see that fundamental distinction simply doesn't understand the game.

Fair point, but again not actually many subscribe to this view.

6. You can perhaps understand then, why I find repeated references to Bassett as BEYONDFUCKINGTIRESOME. He was no Bill Shankly, Bill Nicholson, Brian Clough or even John Harris. He barely merits a mention at any of his other clubs (Alehouse Wimbledon excepted). He is no legend. He won nothing. He left us where he found us and falling fast.

But Sheffield United never had Shankly, Nicholson or Clough and I'm not a fan of Liverpool, Spurs or Forest. I am a fan of Sheffield United and I have a frame of reference to judge success on and Sheffield United's best era in the last 4 decades was unequivocally under David Bassett. If you then expect people who supported us through that amazing time to accept that their support was a waste of time, what do you expect the reaction to be (on second thoughts I know this, which is why I shouldn't actually be replying.)

He is a Sheffield United legend, he gave a generation of fans games, and periods when SUFC became relevant again in the top division. No-one else has ever given us that in the last 4 decades.

7. Our contributors are, by and large, drawn from the Bassett and Warnock generations. They forget there are those who were not beguiled by either who voted with their feet, certainly in Bassett's day when our Premier League attendances were somewhat embarrassing. He got plenty of stick back in the day, for his style. Make no mistake about that.

That's just something you're making up I'm afraid.

He did get stick back then, as does every manager. But at the peak of his time here in 1991-1992 - we were the 11th best supported club in the country. That is not embarrassing, it's something to be proud of, and i was when I was 15 because I remember it well, thinking we are a big club and belong in the top division. We were just behind Everton and ahead of Chelsea and West Ham.
http://www.worldfootball.net/attendance/eng-premier-league-1991-1992/1/

First season of the Premier League. Oh 11th best supported club in the land again - just behind Everton and ahead of Chelsea.
http://www.worldfootball.net/attendance/eng-premier-league-1992-1993/1/

You are free to pretend otherwise because it suits your agenda, but you're factually wrong.

I don't know if you remember the attendances under McEwan and Porterfield in the mid 80s just before Bassett, but i can tell you that they were definitely embarrassing often below 10k, until Bassett re-invigorated this club.

 

[Ted Hemsleys chads]

Purely out of interest, can I have your views on the following?:

Andy Murray

Margaret Thatcher

People taking the piss out of Scousers

Why, can't some fucker just start posting without Detective Dick Fucking Scratcher jumping on his case? Sad, get a fucking life.

 

[Pinchy]

"I know the provisions........Mental Health Act.......better than anyone .....'

How many times can you be remanded on a Section 35 ?

Part 4 of the Act so you should get that one

I apply the Act as part of my profession. Clients count on me knowing and applying the relevant law very well. There is absolutely no doubt I know the provisions better than anyone on here. The people who mark my homework take no prisoners and the pass mark is 100%.

I'm not taking part in any quizzes. I'm afraid. If a bloke tells me he's a doctor I don't set him a multiple choice question to prove it. You can, as ever, either accept what I say or not. It's no big thing.

 

[Bladepicker]

Why, can't some fucker just start posting without Detective Dick Fucking Scratcher jumping on his case? Sad, get a fucking life.

Is that aimed at Murray, Marge or Harry Enfield?

In all seriousness I'm sure Fanny magnet is not a sockpuppet but it was just a joke post given some people had previously suggested he may be Judge the third. I'm not sure it warranted that response.

 

[Pinchy]

Why, can't some fucker just start posting without Detective Dick Fucking Scratcher jumping on his case? Sad, get a fucking life.

Respectful that, Ted....

 

[oldblade]

I also missed City, Norwich and Everton who spent more on a single player than we did on Jones. Further, I think that year was comparatively our biggest spending under Bassett I think, the following season, these teams all paid more for a player than our most expensive, Brian Gayle.



1. Man u

2. Chelsea

3. Spurs

4. Palace

5. Forest

6. Liverpool

7. Blackburn

8. City

9. Sunderland

10. Pigs

11. Dirties

12. Arsenal

13. Villa

14. Derby

15. Everton

16. Notts County


Despite us raising more than we spent with the sales of the likes of Jones and Agana. Then in 92-93, our most expensive was Alan Kelly at £179k. That was exceeded by 18 of the 22 clubs. If you look at the cumulative expenditure over the period compared with other clubs, I think it’s fair to say we punched above our weight for a few years.

I agree with you that we were punching above our weight in terms of what we were spending as compared with other clubs, and Bassett did a superb job in keeping what amounted to a second division squad in the first division for 4 seasons.

My argument is not that Bassett was doing a bad job. Far from it. I just think that Harris also worked within strict financial limitations and was also up against other clubs who were purchasing far more expensive players than us. And, with no disrespect to Bassett, I think Harris did a better job. Or maybe a better way of putting it is that Harris produced better teams.

I think the financial gap between the bigger clubs and the rest was growing, but in Bassett's time it was nothing like as large as it is now. Bigger than in Harris's time, but the difference between the two eras was not as large as some would have us believe.

 

[Pinchy]

Been reading the site since its early days

If that's the case you really ought to know that the chances of me "skulking off" anywhere, anytime are nil, zero, not one, entirely absent, non-existent, I don't skulk and I don't "off". I do the opposite.

Back to page one, I think.

 

[JohnDenver]

Is that aimed at Murray, Marge or Harry Enfield?

In all seriousness I'm sure Fanny magnet is not a sockpuppet but it was just a joke post given some people had previously suggested he may be Judge the third. I'm not sure it warranted that response.

Detective Dick Scratcher.

A tenuous link but reminded of....

 

[JohnDenver]

It will be interesting to see his reply. He is the self proclaimed authority.

It lies above old chap.

Clicky

 

[Sirius]

Good point JD, rather than making blanket accusations, let any poster who's unhappy with Pinchy quote chapter and verse, then elaborate on why this particular gripe upsets them so much. Taking this a step further, what's so wrong with being upset anyway? You can either choose to ignore specific posters, or you can read and then choose to respond, but to select 'upset' as your main reason to ban a poster is highhanded and censorious, the last one being something that should be resisted at all costs. By all means disagree, but if you wish to follow the dictats of an authoritarian mindset then I think you'll find you get short shrift from this forum. Give me an 'upset' poster any day as opposed to someone with a smug smile responsible for banning someone.

I for one enjoy Pinchy's verbal jousting. No doubt it keeps him sharp,and ready for doing just that in another place, where the stakes are little higher.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Good point JD, rather than making blanket accusations, let any poster who's unhappy with Pinchy quote chapter and verse, then elaborate on why this particular gripe upsets them so much. Taking this a step further, what's so wrong with being upset anyway? You can either choose to ignore specific posters, or you can read and then choose to respond, but to select 'upset' as your main reason to ban a poster is highhanded and censorious, the last one being something that should be resisted at all costs. By all means disagree, but if you wish to follow the dictats of an authoritarian mindset then I think you'll find you get short shrift from this forum. Give me an 'upset' poster any day as opposed to someone with a smug smile responsible for banning someone.

You started a thread about the behaviour exhibited by at least 3 posters on Boxing day. Whoever said they wanted any of them "banned?"

 

[Ted Hemsleys chads]

Respectful that, Ted....

Not really, I thought it was intentionally nasty truth be told. What are you going to do about it, grass me up

 

[Pinchy]

Not really, I thought it was intentionally nasty truth be told. What are you going to do about it, grass me up

Not at all. Waving a phantom red card is not my style. I've never reported anyone. I leave that to others. Just exposing another slice of hypocrisy from you. Is it a specialty of yours?

 

[itsinyerblood]

You started a thread about the behaviour exhibited by at least 3 posters on Boxing day. Whoever said they wanted any of them "banned?"

By asking how long is he going to get away with this, the inference is that you'd prefer he (Pinchy) was removed the forum. If you're unhappy with his point of view write to Pinchy and tell him exactly what you dislike about him.

 

[The Crab]

In 1990-91 we spent £650,000 on Vinny Jones, £300,000 on Brian Marwood, £375,000 on Paul Beesley, £300,000 on John Pemberton and £250,000 on Jamie Hoyland. We also brought in Glynn Hodges on loan.

That's the best part of £2 million spent on transfers. I accept that it's probably not as much as Manchester United and some others, but at the time was a significant amount of money, and I would doubt that it was a great deal less than clubs like Coventry, Luton, Norwich, Southampton, Crystal Palace, Wimbledon, QPR were spending.

Incidentally, Manchester United paid £650,000 for Andrei Kanchelskis in 1991. The same amount that we paid for Vinny Jones a year earlier.

At the time, I thought that was big spending by our standards. Whether it was always good value is open to debate!

 

[Pinchy]

At the time, I thought that was big spending by our standards. Whether it was always good value is open to debate!

I don't think there's a realistic debate about the million spent in a single day on non-footballer Jones and obviouslypastissellbydate Marwood!

 

[The Crab]

I don't think there's a realistic debate about the million spent in a single day on non-footballer Jones and obviouslypastissellbydate Marwood!

The debate I had in mind was "would we have been better spending the money on some magic beans and hoping a beanstalk would grow".

 

[itsinyerblood]

The debate I had in mind was "would we have been better spending the money on some magic beans and hoping a beanstalk would grow".

I know this thread has slightly gone off-topic, but given the last post by The Crab, I'd hope to see us attempt to establish a playing style equipped to compete at the highest level, with, of course, this ethos running through all levels of the club. A lot to ask, but then we have a manager who I feel is more than capable and a quick learner. The only block in this fantasy is whether the board will support our manager. I can't see us competing in the hundreds of millions, but with the money that's now available via TV rights I'd have thought we stood a reasonable chance of competing with the WBA's, Southampton's, Swansea's, B'mouth's and comparable clubs of this world.

 

[The Crab]

I know this thread has slightly gone off-topic, but given the last post by The Crab, I'd hope to see us attempt to establish a playing style equipped to compete at the highest level, with, of course, this ethos running through all levels of the club. A lot to ask, but then we have a manager who I feel is more than capable and a quick learner. The only block in this fantasy is whether the board will support our manager. I can't see us competing in the hundreds of millions, but with the money that's now available via TV rights I'd have thought we stood a reasonable chance of competing with the WBA's, Southampton's, Swansea's, B'mouth's and comparable clubs of this world.

I think that's fair comment. I often think that historically (and now) any success has been as much in spite of the board as because of them. I tend to think that most of Mcabe's decisions have been (at least in his own mind) to benefit the club, just that the execution of those decisions has often been poor and/or unlucky, on occasions they have been catastrophic. With Wilder, so far he has got it right, hopefully CW will get the backing he requires as and when he needs it.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

I don't think there's a realistic debate about the million spent in a single day on non-footballer Jones and obviouslypastissellbydate Marwood!

Marwood....an excellent DB signing.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

By asking how long is he going to get away with this, the inference is that you'd prefer he (Pinchy) was removed the forum. If you're unhappy with his point of view write to Pinchy and tell him exactly what you dislike about him.

No I don't want him removed from the forum.

 

[itsinyerblood]

No I don't want him removed from the forum.

Good to hear, there's room for all shades of opinion