Merry Christmas Pinchy

[Pinchy]

Harris was also our manager from 1969-73. During that time his win percentage was 44.

Harris also managed us (overall) at a higher level than Bassett. Blade too Long has clearly entered his geriatric years and is massaging his statistics in an attempt to back up his demonstrably flawed argument.

 

[oldblade]

"The time has come for Hoofers to stop disingenuously eliding the two. They are chalk and cheese."

Oh dear. My hope's shattered. My wise counsel disregarded. T'was ever thus...

So, let me see if I understand what you are saying. I am a hoofer because I point out that when Dearden played for us, we didn't shy away aiming some high balls at his head.

In my view the football we played under Harris was generally (but not always) better to watch than under Bassett, and the sides he put out were more skilful. However, when talking about our league position, the sides put together by John Harris did not perform significantly better than those put together by Dave Bassett. Only once did a Harris side achieve a league position higher than that achieved by the Bassett side of 1991-2.

 

[JohnDenver]

Long passes (Currie; Hoddle; Charlton) are exquisite, Nick. Long aimless punts (Vinny Jones; Wally Fucking Downes) are excruciating.

Therein lies the disingenuous Hoofers' Fallacy.

I was only a nipper at the time, but my hazy recollection tells me Wally Fucking Downes used to kick opponents further than he kicked the ball.

 

[blade too long]

Long passes (Currie; Hoddle; Charlton) are exquisite, Nick. Long aimless punts (Vinny Jones; Wally Fucking Downes) are excruciating.

Therein lies the disingenuous Hoofers' Fallacy.

utter hogwash
a long ball is a long ball
harris faded in the latter years as other clubs started paying bigger money and transfers at other clubs
such as Rodney Marsh moving on
We hit precision long balls to deane , just as much as the earlier period did
some exquisitely inch perfect from john gannon
We churned out some turgid displays during that era
every era does, we finished mid table most years due to it
your memory only seems to have kept the best bits
and eradicated the good bits under Bassett just to boost it

for every quality goal by a quality player unfortunately we let in lots of poor goals
even in that game brown dropped a right clanger

 

[JohnDenver]

utter hogwash
a long ball is a long ball
harris faded in the latter years as other clubs started paying bigger money and transfers at other clubs
such as Rodney Marsh moving on
We hit precision long balls to deane , just as much as the earlier period did
some exquisitely inch perfect from john gannon
We churned out some turgid displays during that era
every era does, we finished mid table most years due to it
your memory only seems to have kept the best bits
and eradicated the good bits under Bassett just to boost it

for every quality goal by a quality player unfortunately we let in lots of poor goals
even in that game brown dropped a right clanger

I'd suggest the difference is a long pass is intended to be controlled by the recipient, be it a trap or a deliberate touch onwards. Whereas John Beck used to grow the grass longer in the corners of the pitch and instruct his team to just hit those areas and chase the ball down.

Obviously there are shades of grey in between, but they're much less fun.

 

[Pinchy]

utter hogwash
a long ball is a long ball
harris faded in the latter years as other clubs started paying bigger money and transfers at other clubs
such as Rodney Marsh moving on
We hit precision long balls to deane , just as much as the earlier period did
some exquisitely inch perfect from john gannon
We churned out some turgid displays during that era
every era does, we finished mid table most years due to it
your memory only seems to have kept the best bits
and eradicated the good bits under Bassett just to boost it

for every quality goal by a quality player unfortunately we let in lots of poor goals
even in that game brown dropped a right clanger

You're bonkers. Absolutely fucking straitjacket, men in white coats, bonkers.

 

[Pinchy]

I was only a nipper at the time, but my hazy recollection tells me Wally Fucking Downes used to kick opponents further than he kicked the ball.

On the very rare occasions he was quick enough to get to the ball before the superior footballer he was about to injure, he hoofed it. There are no recorded examples, such was this Bassett recruit's influence on the beautiful fucking game...

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Also, as I've said for years, there is a world of difference between a "long ball" punted in the general direction of two lighthouses ambling near the opposition penalty area and a "long pass" played by Currie or Hoddle to a team-mate's feet or into his unbroken stride. The former is pub football; the latter a sheer delight. The time has come for Hoofers to stop disingenuously eliding the two. They are chalk and cheese.

I agree but would hasten to point out that Gannon, Nilsen, Whitehouse and especially Hodges were capable of doing the latter from time to time.

 

[Bert]

I was only a nipper at the time, but my hazy recollection tells me Wally Fucking Downes used to kick opponents further than he kicked the ball.

Bert can enlighten you regarding Mr Walter F Downes.
He only played 4 games for us but got sent off 6 times.

 

[oldblade]

my opinion is yes it was a better era for us as a club ,interlaced with some great displays , but to say it was a non stop parade of skill and entertainment whilst saying the Bassett era was sheer hoofball is not only insulting to a team that did just as well but offensive to those that enjoyed probably just as many good days


the 5-1 home win over cardiff to take us up under harris was matched with a 5-2 AWAY win at Leicester
Under Basset wins like the 5-2 at forest and 4-2 at southampton and the 6-0 over spurs match anything from the earlier era

football success was far more attainable when clubs had 11 v 11 ands no or only 1 sub
we could take advantage of 2 or 3 having an off day
as soon as money started playing its part we as a club floundered
for Bassett to get us back there against far better off clubs was a real achievement

I saw every game Tony Currie played
Yes there were lots of magical moments
but to say it was all wonderful is deluded beyond belief
saw us relegated twice in 8 years which is glossed over 68 and 74

I don't think you can really compare the away win at Leicester (who had nothing at all to play for) with the 5-1 win against Cardiff who were breathing down our necks for the second promotion slot.

Also, we were relegated in 1976 not 1974. Harris was no longer our manager at that time, and hadn't been for two years.

However, I wouldn't argue with most of what you've written.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Jostien Flo was a footballing revolutionary, as he was first exponent of what was known of the Flo Pass, where the left back picks up the ball and sends a long ball up the field to the right wing where Flo headed it on in to the mixer. Might not have been one for the purists who would have denounced it hoofball, as but it was very effective for Norway, and something that we should have done more with Flo, and it would have been great to watch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flo_Pass

Flo was one ingredient in its effectiveness, but Bjørnebye's accurate left foot was important, as was movement around Flo. Øyvind Leonhardsen made use of his exceptional stamina, making him very difficult to track as he raced into the box, and was often the recipient of Flo's knock down. So it was a slightly more complex move than some realise, relying on different strong attributes and good timing.

 

[Worksop II]

Bert can enlighten you regarding Mr Walter F Downes.
He only played 4 games for us but got sent off 6 times.

Thats the brilliance of it Bert, he could hand out the punishment, and the Team carrried on without him

Even when not on the Pitch .... masterful by Bassett .......

 

[Silent Blade]

dave bassett

Sheffield United 21 January 1988 12 December 1995 p 394 w 150 d 43 l 101 win percentage 38.07
John Harris
1959 1968 p 441. w 183 d 105 l 153 win 41 .5

very similar records
but Bassett had to battle against much wealthier opponents , Harris got a much easier ride as all teams werent far off being on a par in transfer and wages

Bassett was up against teams paying 5 to 8 times as much as we were

Harris had nine and half seasons in the top division and Bassett had four. There werent many wealthy clubs in the league until after we got relegated in 1994

 

[Fanny magnet]

Yes, you've said...to the point of tedium. Harris' teams played football and were great to watch most of the time. DD was a Hoofer and so are you. That's it.

Direct , boring and repetitive
Not hoofball but every single one of your posts

 

[brownie4583]

I'm sure Pinchy will cheer with the rest of us if we need a win in the final game and in the 90th min a 60 yard hoof from Bash is bundled home by Leon Clarke for a 1-0 win and securing us promotion

 

[super_pig]

football being better in the late sixties early seventies is a myth
the better bit was we were in the top flight
the football was as bland as it is now , most of the time
yes Currie lit up the odd game, but to say we played sexy football is a gross distortion of the facts
there were just as many dour games even then

the good bit was just being there, playing with man utd and liverpool
remembering our relegation in 68 our last few home games were bloody abysmal
16 Mar 1968 Sheffield United v Sunderland L 1-2
13 Apr 1968 Sheffield United v Everton L 0-1
15 Apr 1968 Sheffield United v Liverpool D 1-1
23 Apr 1968 Sheffield United v Fulham L 2-3
27 Apr 1968 Sheffield United v West Ham United L 1-2
11 May 1968 Sheffield United v Chelsea L 1-2

1974/75??

 

[super_pig]

I'm sure Pinchy will cheer with the rest of us if we need a win in the final game and in the 90th min a 60 yard hoof from Bash is bundled home by Leon Clarke for a 1-0 win and securing us promotion

i'm not so sure

 

[I should coco]

Long passes (Currie; Hoddle; Charlton) are exquisite, Nick. Long aimless punts (Vinny Jones; Wally Fucking Downes) are excruciating.

Therein lies the disingenuous Hoofers' Fallacy.

Ok that's clear. A long ball from Currie was sublime.

A long ball under Basset was a hoof.

Were do you stand on Glyn Hodges?

 

[Pinchy]

Ok that's clear. A long ball from Currie was sublime.

A long ball under Basset was a hoof.

Were do you stand on Glyn Hodges?

Your false premise is that Currie's long passes to feet are the same species as a Bassett launch in the general direction of the other end of the pitch. That's the Hoofers' Fallacy as I said earlier. They are chalk and cheese.

Hodges was a good player. An obvious aberration by DD. I helped pay for him and was happy to do so.

Where do you stand on Vinny Jones, Paul Williams and Wally Fucking Downes?

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Bassett teams played percentage, channel area football from a very poor football club and it just happened to be be successful (as it was different) and it could easily win games as the general skill level of others teams was average.

Doubt it would survive now with the change in rules (tackling - or lack of it) and the import of very skillful players.............caused primarily by SKY money.

Putting Currie and Basset in the same context is just plain daft - I loved and enjoyed BOTH periods btw.

UTB

PS: didn't CW fall out with Bassett because CW wanted to play football and pass to the midfield instead of launching it into the channels? This might have just formulated CW's pass and move style?

 

[ken shabby]

Goodness pinchy old lad, you really should gi` it a rest.

Did you sit head in hands as everyone of the 93 league goals went into the back of the opposition net in 88/89? smoulder with steam coming out your ears as we hit Leicester for 5-2 and only missed out to dirty leeds on goal difference for the 2nd divison title the following season. Did you sigh and stamp on your own bollocks as we recovered from 16 games wi`out a win to then win 7 on the bounce 90/91 and confirm our place in the top tier with 5 games to go!... the 5-2 at forest (and a 9-4 double over those footballing darlings), 4-2 at southampton , beating liverpool spurs everton etc etc in 91/92 must have had you spitting in an apoplectic rage... and oh dear 6-0 over spurs, 4-2 chelsea and an FA cup run to the semi the following seaosn.. and i`m surprised you didn`t just walk to the back of the kop. draw your revolver and just said goodbye to all this shit .

Pinchy i admire your stand but let`s face it , Dave`s sides gave us some great seasons..... the best since 74/75 and before that 70/71/72 . The Harris and Bassett eras were full of superb highlights... mixed in with some lows too. but i just can`t fathom why you want to keep on bagging Sir Dave when he did more to lift us up as a club than anyone else over the last 31 years.

ok you were right about monty.

 

[oldblade]

I was only a nipper at the time, but my hazy recollection tells me Wally Fucking Downes used to kick opponents further than he kicked the ball.

Did he ever actually make a connection with the football? Obviously passed me by.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

You're bonkers. Absolutely fucking straitjacket, men in white coats, bonkers.

Keep going Blade too long. Do not accept such insults. Come back at him.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Keep going Blade too long. Do not accept such insults. Come back at him.

More importantly, the rules don't accept such insults either. Hopefully the individual will be dealt with.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Oops, double post. But worth repeating.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Pinchy is attempting to intimidate people all over the forum. He is generally obnoxious and aggressive.
How long is he going to be allowed to get away with it?

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Keep going Blade too long. Do not accept such insults. Come back at him

You're bonkers. Absolutely fucking straitjacket, men in white coats, bonkers.

On general chat there's a topic on mental illness. Then we get posts like his above.
Something not right somewhere.
I also think anyone having a go at someone for being an alcoholic is out of order, as are jibes about being homeless .

 

[blade too long]

On the very rare occasions he was quick enough to get to the ball before the superior footballer he was about to injure, he hoofed it. There are no recorded examples, such was this Bassett recruit's influence on the beautiful fucking game...

And you call me bonkers.do you read what you write

 

[blade too long]

I don't think you can really compare the away win at Leicester (who had nothing at all to play for) with the 5-1 win against Cardiff who were breathing down our necks for the second promotion slot.

Also, we were relegated in 1976 not 1974. Harris was no longer our manager at that time, and hadn't been for two years.

However, I wouldn't argue with most of what you've written.

I know hed left .my point was after promotion united under harris finished 13 14 and 10th .under bassett we finished 13 14 and 9 th.it couldnt be amy closer and then united finished 6th after harris left but then got relegated

 

[blade too long]

Harris had nine and half seasons in the top division and Bassett had four. There werent many wealthy clubs in the league until after we got relegated in 1994

We were paupers compared to the league we joined in 1990 .nearly all those in had spent millions on players.we had 27 k brian deane
Teams like west brom level had far more in their coffers.derby everton forest and the like all had spent several hundred thousands on players and a few million plus compared to our meagre outlay