Mcburnie

[Charlieblade]

Apologies for a slight thread hijack, but I would like to include Sander Berge in my reasoning. In both cases, McBurnie and Berge arrived for big money, based on prior form and ability.
The costs borne by the club, and the players subsequent failure to live up to expectations has made them easy targets for blame, when things don’t go right immediately. They did it before, and showed early promise but they were sunk by fans expectations based on price tags and history.

Find their best position and play to their strengths, and the situation could improve. Thing is, these two aren’t the only issue Hecky has to deal with, so their perceived failure is not easily or quickly resolved. Maybe we just need to be a bit more patient with them, and with the manager?

 

[LewishamBlade]

He definitely needs a rest, if only we had another player who could lead the line and score actual goals!

Give McBurnie a chance to do that then, his only REAL good performance this season was when he lead the line against Southampton in the Cup - and scored.

Let him do that against Hull or Swansea. Must wins, but we really need to protect Bill. McBurnie and Jebbison need a start and minutes respectively over the next 2 games.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

On what basis would either of those 2 players outscore the greatest scorer in championship history?

McBurnie never looks like scoring. I know you love repeating your 'barn door' Billy joke, but if he misses chances it's because he gets on the end of them. McBurnie saunters around outside the box drawing fouls. Literally adds nothing else.

And whilst Brewster was starting to show signs, there isn't a substantial body of evidence to say he'd outscore Sharp. In fact, the most recent evidence says the opposite.

Mcburnie has played one full season in the championship and scored 20 goals for swansea and half a season with the dingles scoring 9 in 17 which would be 20 if he had a full year with them

Brewster got 10 in half a season also

Sharp has scored 20 in a season once in his entire career in the championship in the 15 seasons he has played in the championship

Mcburnie doesnt look like scoring because he barely plays that was what his third start this year ? You cant expect players to just come in the team after getting 10 minutes here and there

Theres a good striker in there as i have seen him in the prem score goals and bully defences

Just like Jebbinson doesn't deserve to be judged if he only gets the odd 10 mins every other week

 

[Houston_Blade]

Give McBurnie a chance to do that then, his only REAL good performance this season was when he lead the line against Southampton in the Cup - and scored.

Let him do that against Hull or Swansea. Must wins, but we really need to protect Bill. McBurnie and Jebbison need a start and minutes respectively over the next 2 games.

I'd give him a go against Hull, he'll probably be in the away end for the Swansea game giving it the slit throat gesture at the family stand.

 

[LewishamBlade]

The thing that makes me laugh when people bring up his form for Barnsley and Swansea is it's either 'luck' or 'in the past'. So is last season, but that's used as a stick to beat him with.

We've even seen a chance that was offside, and a chance that Billy played to him under his feet as battering points to suit peoples agendas.

Him and Billy will only work with serious support and pace from behind and around them, and unfortunately MGW had a nightmare.
They didn't work together in our pomp in the Prem when we were nailing out 1-0 wins pre Covid. They were some of the worst performances we had, but we were solid and could nick a goal.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

On what basis would either of those 2 players outscore the greatest scorer in championship history?

McBurnie never looks like scoring. I know you love repeating your 'barn door' Billy joke, but if he misses chances it's because he gets on the end of them. McBurnie saunters around outside the box drawing fouls. Literally adds nothing else.

And whilst Brewster was starting to show signs, there isn't a substantial body of evidence to say he'd outscore Sharp. In fact, the most recent evidence says the opposite.

Mcburnie scored 10 in half a season at the dingles and 20 in his first full season at Swansea so that's 30 in his first season and a half in the championship so yes that is clear evidence he can score goals at this level


Brewster was finally showing signs because we bothered to give him a run of games as a striker Mcburnie hasn't because he hasn't had a run of games upfront

Sharp has scored 20 goals in the championship once in his 15 seasons in the champ which mcburnie did in his first full season for context

 

[DaveBassettsgoneonholiday]

I'd be prepared to give him as many minuites as possible, for now, to see if he can play his way back in to some sort of form and fitness. He has been generally disappointing, what we've seen of him recently and I'd have like to see Jebbison get 20 minutes towards the end on Saturday like many others.
I think we're in a position where we can't afford to dismiss any striker out of hand, god forbid Sharp picks up an injury we don't want anyone having to come in cold so to speak.
Look at Robinson, after a fairly decent run of games he looks a far better footballer than at the start of the season and not many would have thought that.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

Mcburnie scored 10 in half a season at the dingles and 20 in his first full season at Swansea so that's 30 in his first season and a half in the championship so yes that is clear evidence he can score goals at this level


Brewster was finally showing signs because we bothered to give him a run of games as a striker Mcburnie hasn't because he hasn't had a run of games upfront

Sharp has scored 20 goals in the championship once in his 15 seasons in the champ which mcburnie did in his first full season for context

Easy to see who your Valentine is!

 

[metalblade]

If only there was just one thread for the haters to slag the lad off

 

[coolasanidiot]

OK lets end the McBurnie threads and leave it at this...

There's 3 of you for some unknown reason think that there is a footballer in there somewhere fair enough, but to counter that there are about 50K of us that think that this flat footed, , 1 paced, can't shoot, can't head, always late in the tackle, acts like a total twat - forward is going on the worst centre forward we have ever had.

 

[Charlieblade]

OK lets end the McBurnie threads and leave it at this...

There's 3 of you for some unknown reason think that there is a footballer in there somewhere fair enough, but to counter that there are about 50K of us that think that this flat footed, , 1 paced, can't shoot, can't head, always late in the tackle, acts like a total twat - forward is going on the worst centre forward we have ever had.

You could be right, but striker rotation will be essential to protect the few attacking assets we have left! The same is true of the midfield support for those strikers.
They all need opportunities to prove themselves in attack and midfield. The manager has little choice in the matter if assets are to be protected.
He has persevered with Fleck, Hourihane and even Robinson, when they have suffered the slings and arrows of fans disappointment, and eventually he was proved right in at least 2 out 3 cases.

The alternative is to pick his best starting eleven, and run them into the ground in a very demanding period of fixtures. That could easily damage the prospects of those who want and need a start in the team.
I wouldn’t want Hecky’s job for love nor money.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

With only a few options McBurnie will certainly need to pull his socks up - not literally of course, I'm not that belligerent!

 

[Houston_Blade]

With only a few options McBurnie will certainly need to pull his socks up - not literally of course, I'm not that belligerent!

I used to think it was the socks that pissed me off, but Bogle and Ndiaye are decent and they wear theirs pulled down as well. So it's just because McBurnie is crap that I'm not a big fan and it's not about the socks at all.

 

[LewishamBlade]

OK lets end the McBurnie threads and leave it at this...

There's 3 of you for some unknown reason think that there is a footballer in there somewhere fair enough, but to counter that there are about 50K of us that think that this flat footed, , 1 paced, can't shoot, can't head, always late in the tackle, acts like a total twat - forward is going on the worst centre forward we have ever had.

An idiot most certainly

Where’ve you got 50k from anorl? piganomics

 

[DronnieBlade]

He’s gonna get the pitch time in the coming weeks. That looks inevitable.

Let’s see what he does with it .

UTB

 

[Balham]

Mcburnie scored 10 in half a season at the dingles and 20 in his first full season at Swansea so that's 30 in his first season and a half in the championship so yes that is clear evidence he can score goals at this level


Brewster was finally showing signs because we bothered to give him a run of games as a striker Mcburnie hasn't because he hasn't had a run of games upfront

Sharp has scored 20 goals in the championship once in his 15 seasons in the champ which mcburnie did in his first full season for context

I know you're on the wind up but Sharp has had five Championship seasons at around a 1-in-2 strike rate: 18/19 (23 in 40 appearances for us), 11/12 (19 in 35 for Doncaster & Southampton), 10/11 (15 in 29 for Doncaster) and 09/10 (15 in 33 for Doncaster). Granted, four of those were a decade ago but since then he's spent two seasons in the Premier League and two in League One.

In his last two-and-a-half seasons in the Championship Billy Sharp has a minutes-per-goal record (47 goals in 7339 minutes so 156.1 minutes per goal) almost identical to McBurnie's at Swansea (22 in 3397 mins / 154.4 mins per goal) and Barnsley (9 goals in 1407 mins / 156.3 mins per goal).

FWIW McBurnie has no goals in 540 minutes this season, taking his Championship total to 1 goal every 219 minutes. Sharp's career record, right back to his first ever United appearance? 125 goals in 24,500 minutes... 1 goal every 196 minutes.

They are very different players and we haven't utilised McBurnie at all well. In theory, they should complement each other but I wonder whether the damage of Wilderball on our number 9 is irreversible.

 

[LewishamBlade]

but I wonder whether the damage of Wilderball on our number 9 is irreversible.

As do I, and that paired with some of his off the field antics may make it unfeasible for him to have a career here - it's as much in hope as it is in expectation for me that it can be turned round. But this is a lad who before we signed him has scored 3 goals in 3 wins against us.

One thing's for sure, that goal he scored against Brighton - there's no way he could score that tonight.
That's when he was still carrying some of his Swansea belief with him, which has been battered out of him after Wilder insisted on trying to turn him into an isolated Wayne Allison mk II.

Hecky, Macca and Jack need to look at stripping it back and getting him back to how he played at Swansea. Avoid the big no. 9 battles we've become accustomed to, find space in the pockets, drag defenders out of position with nice interplay, loiter around and make a nuisance of yourself and wait for deliveries into the box. And score goals.

 

[Balham]

As do I, and that paired with some of his off the field antics may make it unfeasible for him to have a career here - it's as much in hope as it is in expectation for me that it can be turned round. But this is a lad who before we signed him has scored 3 goals in 3 wins against us.

One thing's for sure, that goal he scored against Brighton - there's no way he could score that tonight.
That's when he was still carrying some of his Swansea belief with him, which has been battered out of him after Wilder insisted on trying to turn him into an isolated Wayne Allison mk II.

Hecky, Macca and Jack need to look at stripping it back and getting him back to how he played at Swansea. Avoid the big no. 9 battles we've become accustomed to, find space in the pockets, drag defenders out of position with nice interplay, loiter around and make a nuisance of yourself and wait for deliveries into the box. And score goals.

That last point - McBurnie was nicely involved in the build-up to Sharp's second against West Brom. He dropped in and used the ball sensibly including a couple of crisp one-touch passes. That wouldn't have happened six months ago; I'd hazard a guess that McCall has taken him under his wing given their Bratfut connection.

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

I really don’t see how last season can be used in any discussion about the ability or non ability of any of our strikers. The tactics were horrendous while CW was here and chances created were at an absolute premium.
I’m not going to judge McB after 3 cameos and 1 start. With a bit of luck he could have had 2 goals on Saturday, if Billy’s pass was 20cm’s further in front of him and the shot on the turn hadn’t hit the defender.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Mcburnie scored 10 in half a season at the dingles and 20 in his first full season at Swansea so that's 30 in his first season and a half in the championship so yes that is clear evidence he can score goals at this level


Brewster was finally showing signs because we bothered to give him a run of games as a striker Mcburnie hasn't because he hasn't had a run of games upfront

Sharp has scored 20 goals in the championship once in his 15 seasons in the champ which mcburnie did in his first full season for context

McBurnie's done nothing in 2.5 seasons.

Sharp has consistently banged goals in at this level. Last scoring 20+ in his last full season at this level and on course to do so in his first full season back...

 

[blade67]

He definitely needs a rest, if only we had another player who could lead the line and score actual goals!

The truth is that we are going to have to give McBurnie and Jebbo the chance now that they are 2 of the only 3 fit strikers at the club. I suppose it's possible that we play Ndayie and MGW with just 1 up at times but we really need one of the other lads to hit a bit of form to help Sharp out. Tonight I'd expect at least one of them to start

 

[Micky Narker]

McBurnie (and Jebbo) giving Ull a world of trouble for ninety minutes tonight would be a great, but I still reckon it'll be 1-0 with a Billy tap in settling things.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

McBurnie's done nothing in 2.5 seasons.

Sharp has consistently banged goals in at this level. Last scoring 20+ in his last full season at this level and on course to do so in his first full season back...

Mcburnie scored more goals in the two seasons in the premier league than sharp did and sharp takes penalties

This season Mcburnie has been injured for the most part

 

[Houston_Blade]

The truth is that we are going to have to give McBurnie and Jebbo the chance now that they are 2 of the only 3 fit strikers at the club. I suppose it's possible that we play Ndayie and MGW with just 1 up at times but we really need one of the other lads to hit a bit of form to help Sharp out. Tonight I'd expect at least one of them to start

That's the problem, we don't have a choice.

I just hope he's as good as some people think he is because without Billy in the side we struggle to score.

I'd personally rather have Jebbo in, he's the future, McBurnie is looking for a way out.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

I know you're on the wind up but Sharp has had five Championship seasons at around a 1-in-2 strike rate: 18/19 (23 in 40 appearances for us), 11/12 (19 in 35 for Doncaster & Southampton), 10/11 (15 in 29 for Doncaster) and 09/10 (15 in 33 for Doncaster). Granted, four of those were a decade ago but since then he's spent two seasons in the Premier League and two in League One.

In his last two-and-a-half seasons in the Championship Billy Sharp has a minutes-per-goal record (47 goals in 7339 minutes so 156.1 minutes per goal) almost identical to McBurnie's at Swansea (22 in 3397 mins / 154.4 mins per goal) and Barnsley (9 goals in 1407 mins / 156.3 mins per goal).

FWIW McBurnie has no goals in 540 minutes this season, taking his Championship total to 1 goal every 219 minutes. Sharp's career record, right back to his first ever United appearance? 125 goals in 24,500 minutes... 1 goal every 196 minutes.

They are very different players and we haven't utilised McBurnie at all well. In theory, they should complement each other but I wonder whether the damage of Wilderball on our number 9 is irreversible.

Many of sharps seasons especially at Leeds/Forest he was out of favor/injured and or not playing much like Mcburnie now this season

However it seems Mcburnie is judged differently because he wears silly socks talks like a chav and isn't a blade

Mcburnie has played 2 seasons in the champ for a season and a half he has been a 20 goal a season striker at swansea and the dingles

This season he has been injured had covid or played on the wing by slav hes started 2 games as a striker

Some absolute nonsense gets spoke about him

 

[coolasanidiot]

Many of sharps seasons especially at Leeds/Forest he was out of favor/injured and or not playing much like Mcburnie now this season

However it seems Mcburnie is judged differently because he wears silly socks talks like a chav and isn't a blade

Mcburnie has played 2 seasons in the champ for a season and a half he has been a 20 goal a season striker at swansea and the dingles

This season he has been injured had covid or played on the wing by slav hes started 2 games as a striker

Some absolute nonsense gets spoke about him

yeah by you mainly.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

He's our striker, he's our number 9,
Winning aerial duels in the red and white...

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Hecky, Macca and Jack need to look at stripping it back and getting him back to how he played at Swansea. Avoid the big no. 9 battles we've become accustomed to, find space in the pockets, drag defenders out of position with nice interplay, loiter around and make a nuisance of yourself and wait for deliveries into the box. And score goals.

This, the lack of this, absolutely. Back to basics.

 

[Cheesebored]

That last point - McBurnie was nicely involved in the build-up to Sharp's second against West Brom. He dropped in and used the ball sensibly including a couple of crisp one-touch passes. That wouldn't have happened six months ago.

He was playing in an area vacated by their sent off player against a tiring team. He couldn't and didn't replicate it at Huddersfield. He finds himself in and around the starting 11 by default. I'll be pleased if he gets a sustained run in the team and produces but don't hold your breath.

 

[LewishamBlade]

He was playing in an area vacated by their sent off player against a tiring team. He couldn't and didn't replicate it at Huddersfield. He finds himself in and around the starting 11 by default. I'll be pleased if he gets a sustained run in the team and produces but don't hold your breath.

And?

He couldn't and didn't replicate it at Huddersfield because there was nothing like that sort of space against an extremely well organized team who are unbeaten since November. When our best creative outlet was having a stinker supporting the forwards. Go figure.