Many factors are involved in a team becoming successful. Not least, time.

[GreasyChipBeattie]

When Benjamin Bloom makes his pre-season forecasts for promotion, high on his list of considerations is the length of time a squad has been together.
Player partnerships and team understandings can take a while to form, but become a massive contributor to success when they do. Henry and Bergkamp, Harry Kane and Son Heung-min, not forgetting our own Deane and Agana, are good examples of how valuable they can be to success.

Much is talked about 'momentum' when promoted teams are expected to continue to do well, but that momentum has often been built over months, maybe years of tweaks and changes to the squad by its management to get to that point.Yes, there are obvious examples of managers having a short term impact. This is why the likes of Warnock, 'Big Sam' and others get mentioned at times of desperate end of season relegation battles, but over-night success is comparatively rare in the game.

It's the impatience of fans, club owners and maybe even some superstar players that are greedy hungry for success that demands the crazy level of turnover at football management level.
Problem is, there can only be a very few 'winners'
It's a bit like winning the lottery or backing horses. There will be far more losers than winners! Although ironically, those who buy tickets and place bets continue to wait patiently for success, rather than choosing someone else to do their bidding!

So is Chris Wilder 'finished', a 'has been'. Should he retire, as someone posted, rather than 'ruin his legacy'?
If so, maybe Ange Postecoglou and Nuno Espirito Santo (you know, those names we would have welcomed with open arms when Selles went) should do the same?

Of course there are times when it's right to end a manager's tenure, but after just 7 games, of which 3 were won with a disjointed, cobbled together squad who were on their knees?
At Preston we saw us play some of our best football of the season and were unlucky to not get at least a point, and although there is still work to do, it was 'chalk and cheese' compared to what we had under Selles.
It seems that relatively recent success has lifted our expectation levels as a fan base, which makes our current situation difficult to take.
The truth is though, that under CW we have improved, and we will continue to improve, but it will take time and patience... if he's allowed it.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Just get rid of Cannon

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

Just get rid of Cannon

Good point well made!

 

[Snowflake]

When Benjamin Bloom makes his pre-season forecasts for promotion, high on his list of considerations is the length of time a squad has been together.
Player partnerships and team understandings can take a while to form, but become a massive contributor to success when they do. Henry and Bergkamp, Harry Kane and Son Heung-min, not forgetting our own Deane and Agana, are good examples of how valuable they can be to success.

Much is talked about 'momentum' when promoted teams are expected to continue to do well, but that momentum has often been built over months, maybe years of tweaks and changes to the squad by its management to get to that point.Yes, there are obvious examples of managers having a short term impact. This is why the likes of Warnock, 'Big Sam' and others get mentioned at times of desperate end of season relegation battles, but over-night success is comparatively rare in the game.

It's the impatience of fans, club owners and maybe even some superstar players that are greedy hungry for success that demands the crazy level of turnover at football management level.
Problem is, there can only be a very few 'winners'
It's a bit like winning the lottery or backing horses. There will be far more losers than winners! Although ironically, those who buy tickets and place bets continue to wait patiently for success, rather than choosing someone else to do their bidding!

So is Chris Wilder 'finished', a 'has been'. Should he retire, as someone posted, rather than 'ruin his legacy'?
If so, maybe Ange Postecoglou and Nuno Espirito Santo (you know, those names we would have welcomed with open arms when Selles went) should do the same?

Of course there are times when it's right to end a manager's tenure, but after just 7 games, of which 3 were won with a disjointed, cobbled together squad who were on their knees?
At Preston we saw us play some of our best football of the season and were unlucky to not get at least a point, and although there is still work to do, it was 'chalk and cheese' compared to what we had under Selles.
It seems that relatively recent success has lifted our expectation levels as a fan base, which makes our current situation difficult to take.
The truth is though, that under CW we have improved, and we will continue to improve, but it will take time and patience... if he's allowed it.

I think we have two separate discussions running and intertwining. One is whether we should stick with CW for this season and the other is whether he is the manager who can take us in a different, more exciting and successful journey.
I cannot see any good reason to change now as that risks more turmoil and possible relegation.
The main problem is whether the “right” manager is ever available and if so whether those appointing could see that .

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

I think we have two separate discussions running and intertwining. One is whether we should stick with CW for this season and the other is whether he is the manager who can take us in a different, more exciting and successful journey.
I cannot see any good reason to change now as that risks more turmoil and possible relegation.
The main problem is whether the “right” manager is ever available and if so whether those appointing could see that .

I think we NEED him for this season, such was the shit show we'd become.
Don't get me wrong, CW has his limitations and I get what people say about some of his less desirable attributes, but he comes as a package, both ends of the stick and all that, but for me, given the chance, he will do as well as most could in the short/medium term with what he has.

 

[Blacksea]

I think we NEED him for this season, such was the shit show we'd become.
Don't get me wrong, CW has his limitations and I get what people say about some of his less desirable attributes, but he comes as a package, both ends of the stick and all that, but for me, given the chance, he will do as well as most could in the short/medium term with what he has.

Unfortunately it looks like we've got the wrong owners,or bad owners, most of the stuff that's gone wrong since the end of last season is entirely down to them,it's them who need to step up massively and show some ambition for the club they bought,but so far it's looking bad for the future under them as far as I'm concerned.
They've shown no sign of knowing what is required to take a Championship club forward both on or off the pitch.
We know from seasons past the quality of player needed for success either bought or on loan,we know because of where these players came from and what they have gone on to achieve since,so they needed to have done their homework and realised the responsibility, requirements and money outlays needed for success, instead they have been complicit in completely the opposite,resulting in chaos both on and off the pitch.
Unless this lot wake up and start taking responsibility for laying the foundations for our management and players to have a chance of success I can see Chansiri like scenes coming down the line.

 

[Bladedog]

When Benjamin Bloom makes his pre-season forecasts for promotion, high on his list of considerations is the length of time a squad has been together.
Player partnerships and team understandings can take a while to form, but become a massive contributor to success when they do. Henry and Bergkamp, Harry Kane and Son Heung-min, not forgetting our own Deane and Agana, are good examples of how valuable they can be to success.

Much is talked about 'momentum' when promoted teams are expected to continue to do well, but that momentum has often been built over months, maybe years of tweaks and changes to the squad by its management to get to that point.Yes, there are obvious examples of managers having a short term impact. This is why the likes of Warnock, 'Big Sam' and others get mentioned at times of desperate end of season relegation battles, but over-night success is comparatively rare in the game.

It's the impatience of fans, club owners and maybe even some superstar players that are greedy hungry for success that demands the crazy level of turnover at football management level.
Problem is, there can only be a very few 'winners'
It's a bit like winning the lottery or backing horses. There will be far more losers than winners! Although ironically, those who buy tickets and place bets continue to wait patiently for success, rather than choosing someone else to do their bidding!

So is Chris Wilder 'finished', a 'has been'. Should he retire, as someone posted, rather than 'ruin his legacy'?
If so, maybe Ange Postecoglou and Nuno Espirito Santo (you know, those names we would have welcomed with open arms when Selles went) should do the same?

Of course there are times when it's right to end a manager's tenure, but after just 7 games, of which 3 were won with a disjointed, cobbled together squad who were on their knees?
At Preston we saw us play some of our best football of the season and were unlucky to not get at least a point, and although there is still work to do, it was 'chalk and cheese' compared to what we had under Selles.
It seems that relatively recent success has lifted our expectation levels as a fan base, which makes our current situation difficult to take.
The truth is though, that under CW we have improved, and we will continue to improve, but it will take time and patience... if he's allowed it.

Don't think were unlucky not to get a point..as we would have needed a shot on target in the second half..we had none.

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

Don't think were unlucky not to get a point..as we would have needed a shot on target in the second half..we had none.

The bad luck in that second half resulted in an unfortunate own goal and a defender taken out by the attacker who scored the goal.
We could/should have had more in the first half as well as their opportunities in the second.
I still think we deserved a point and could have had more.

 

[Bladedog]

We,re shit at the back and will do nothing while those three play together..tanganga yes..mee is past it..and mcguinnes not good enough.

 

[SuperSonicBlade89]

Just get rid of Cannon

First order of business, surely.

Not even joking.

 

[loyalblade95]

Don't think were unlucky not to get a point..as we would have needed a shot on target in the second half..we had none.

True, but even that no shots on target in 2nd half is a bit misleading in terms of some of the chances we had.

Take the O'Hare and Soumare chances for example.

If O'Hare gets a better connection to that ball across goal that's almost certainly going to be a goal, same with Soumare if he keeps the shot down.

Same with Smith near the end for Preston, if you hit the target thats going in.

 

[jt64]

One only needs to look at Brentford. Did they lose their shit when they had two or three Championship seasons in or around the playoffs where they didn't go up? No. Did they lose their shit when they sold Toney? Raya? No. Did they lose their shit when they lost Mbuemo,, someone else very important whose name escapes me and the manager? Nope. They have a clear plan and a process and they stick to it, and it looks like right now that Edwards and the new line up are the next off the production line.

Whereas here, we have people demanding a massive U-turn in terms of head coach decision half way through "don't look at the league table until ten games in", shitting on any attempt to recruit outside of immediately improving the first team right now and throwing players under the bus after two (if that) games, and a general feeling amongst a lot of the fanbase that any theories brought up after 1992 are utter woke nonsense and what worked before then should work until the end of time. The idea of trusting the process goes out the window if we go three games without a win. Get a modern philosophy, the people in to make it work, and such to it.