Managerial Mistake tonight.

[Grecian2000]

In Wilder we trust,as long as we win,otherwise he can fuck right off,that is what some are saying,whether they care to admit or not

OK, I'll take it you have no quotes then.

 

[Revolution]

I can read perfectly well,and i would imagine he did

You certainly don't understand what you read.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

OK, I'll take it you have no quotes then.

Of course i have no quotes,this in Wilder we trust is just a load of bollocks,soon as we lose,some are on his back,like the lad in another post said,this forum makes me laugh,in Wilder we trust(as long as we win),just like the start of last season,he is out of his depth,the jobs to big for him

 

[Rodders]

I said if we'd not changed the team and still lost, people would have said that we should have freshened it up. It's the nature of the beast.

A few people definitely said we'd freshen it up last night, myself included. I just didn't expect the changes he did make. I thought it would be Donaldson and Brooks for Clarke and Sharp with Lundstram in for Fleck.

oh right..er yeah so you did....

For me, the First XI has a certain "rhythm" to it, and missing both Fleck and Duffy we were always going to find it tough. Having said that, to have lost an away game only to a clanger isn't the end of the world.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

You certainly don't understand what you read.

In Wilder we trust,as long as we win,dress it up how you want,that is what you are saying

 

[Rudders]

Think with it being such a physical game I would have shoved Basham into midfield, put Stearman in at CB and swopped Hanson for Donaldson. All out Hoofwaffe

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Think with it being such a physical game I would have shoved Basham into midfield, put Stearman in at CB and swopped Hanson for Donaldson. All out Hoofwaffe

Do not forget CW caught the train and watched QPR play last saturday,then picked his team,we do not know or are privvy to any information about players with nigglies or knocks,he picked the team he thought best would get us a result,after everything he has done since August 2016 i think he should be immune to any criticism,obviously others cannot wait to stick the knife in,lose a few more and Barnpot will be back posting regularly

 

[United Aren't Back.]

This old, tired argument of 'don't change a winning team'

Few weeks ago we beat Ipswich without Paul Coutts. Next game against Reading Wilder brings back Coutts and we win.

Now I can't recall anybody then coming on here and complaining about Wilder changing a winning team.

Need to give it a rest. Trust Wilder.

This may only be a fans forum but this over the top criticism on here will eventually lead to unrest at matches. Then just watch the wheels come off.

Two seasons.. One full season each for two useless Nigels, and there was about as much unrest at the Lane as when. grandad
fared in church.
If a club of our alleged 'sixe' had performed like that for two years in parts of Brazil, for instance, Clough and Adkins would have been saying hello to fans hammering on the dressing room door.
A few yells of dismay at Adkins last game hardly suggests unrest for a Wilder team.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Didn't we miss two absolute sitters, if we don't take chances like that in this league it will cost us, plus a freak goal for them in the course of which we had to sub our injured keeper. We have 33 games left an available 99 points left to gather, so if we lost 1 in every 4 as we did for last month we would lose for the remainder of the season 8.25 games (call it 8 (8.75 to be exact), 24 pts (26.25 ex), 99-24=75) add that 75 to our current pts tally of 30 =105....think I've got mi maffs right..twas always going to be a toughy against QPR

If you look back over the season we've not converted quite a few chances that mayyybe we should have. For example, Sharp non-hattrick at pigswillborough, two shots skied last night when it seemed to most of the non - professional footballers around me last night to be easier to slot the ball home - or is that a bit harsh?

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

If.....,For example, Sharp non-hattrick at pigswillborough, two shots skied last night when it seemed to most of the non - professional footballers around me last night to be easier to slot the ball home - or is that a bit harsh?

Have to say a tad harsh
Billy missed 3 when not on the pitch - useless twat

Think everyone is missing the real culprit here,
NOT CW (nor AK)
NOT Donaldson (hero to zero in 3 outings)
NOT Lundstram (zero to adequate to zero in 5 outings)

Where the feck is Uncle Kev the feckless feckin fecker ?!?!?
Sort it out man !

 

[Pedro Verde]

In Wilder we trust,as long as we win,dress it up how you want,that is what you are saying

If we had lost last night and not changed the team (apart from suspended injured players) people would have accepted the defeat and not been critical, the fact that he did change the team has made them critical as its not the first time he has done it and we have lost

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

I think it's fair enough to suggest that Wilder may have got it a bit wrong against QPR. I think he knows it as well. With Fleck out we really needed Duffy (as he is a key part of the core of our play - Fleck, Coutts, Duffy). Without Fleck and Duffy that core was non-existent. Hence we lost the game.

It's not the end of the world by any means. We still had chances to score, and QPR were just better than us on the night - which happens - particularly in this league.

Hopefully on Saturday our best (available) team will be picked with (Fleck, Duffy, Coutts, Sharp etc.) back in the side.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Have to say a tad harsh
Billy missed 3 when not on the pitch - useless twat

Think everyone is missing the real culprit here,
NOT CW (nor AK)
NOT Donaldson (hero to zero in 3 outings)
NOT Lundstram (zero to adequate to zero in 5 outings)

Where the feck is Uncle Kev the feckless feckin fecker ?!?!?
Sort it out man !

Bellend Road I meant

 

[PokerBlade]

I said if we'd not changed the team and still lost, people would have said that we should have freshened it up. It's the nature of the beast.

A few people definitely said we'd freshen it up last night, myself included. I just didn't expect the changes he did make. I thought it would be Donaldson and Brooks for Clarke and Sharp with Lundstram in for Fleck.

Someone said it back on page one of this thread but Duffy last season got subbed regularly on the 65 minute mark. Last two games he's played a full 90 so no surprises that Wilder rested him. And in replacement he put in the player that fans have been talking about as a £10m+ player. Apparently he's the kind of £10m player that shouldn't be starting games in the Championship. Even if he did start when we trashed Wednesday.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Someone said it back on page one of this thread but Duffy last season got subbed regularly on the 65 minute mark. Last two games he's played a full 90 so no surprises that Wilder rested him. And in replacement he put in the player that fans have been talking about as a £10m+ player. Apparently he's the kind of £10m player that shouldn't be starting games in the Championship. Even if he did start when we trashed Wednesday.

Who’s saying brooks shouldn’t start? He”s just not a replacement for Duffy, which is what Wilder sent him out to be yesterday.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Someone said it back on page one of this thread but Duffy last season got subbed regularly on the 65 minute mark. Last two games he's played a full 90 so no surprises that Wilder rested him. And in replacement he put in the player that fans have been talking about as a £10m+ player. Apparently he's the kind of £10m player that shouldn't be starting games in the Championship. Even if he did start when we trashed Wednesday.

You and your sensible posts.......

 

[Esablade]

Managerial mistake???

Always easy after the event eh...

 

[Jon Slinn]

You could also put that CW could have gone further. For the past 2-3 games i've felt Vickers has been at fault for a few things and has reminded of EEL from last season, Back passes without looking.
Stevens was well off the pace last night, Correct if i'm wrong ( as i'm sure some one will) did he actually get a cross in last night. Give him a rest.
Coutts who i like, Couldn't find his rhythm last night, Shit Corners, Free kicks thru balls , Did he miss Fleck??
Oh and the ref and Yellow flagged linesman first half didn't help, Brooks never got any protection from the officials, Was Leon's goal offside?? i'd beg to differ..

CW as ever got his after match summing up spot on, an off day/Night. We will be back and if he are look out Hull - you have been warned.

 

[Revolution]

Someone said it back on page one of this thread but Duffy last season got subbed regularly on the 65 minute mark. Last two games he's played a full 90 so no surprises that Wilder rested him. And in replacement he put in the player that fans have been talking about as a £10m+ player. Apparently he's the kind of £10m player that shouldn't be starting games in the Championship. Even if he did start when we trashed Wednesday.

After what I saw against Reading when we lost our shape when he came on, if he starts it shouldn't be in a midfield 3. He should do it behind a loan striker. I think that's the point people are making isn't it?

 

[Revolution]

In Wilder we trust,as long as we win,dress it up how you want,that is what you are saying

No, I'm not saying that

And what you are saying is that Wilder is infallible and people can't even suggest that he might make a mistake now and then. Which is a silly position to take.

 

[Snowman]

Two things I noticed about the two defeats following a "changed team".

1. CW said he went and watched the opposition and thought they were in a false position and
2. He said he had enormous respect for their managers.

Chris. Stop watching and stop respecting and stop picking a team based on that. Go back to, "they can worry about us".

 

[BushBlade]

I think Holloway deserves a bit of credit here. He's a wily old worzel who's been around a long time and has coached teams to play in different styles. He had Blackpool playing great football and is equally adept at hoof. He's QPR's Warnock in many ways. If old school is the new school, he's very much back in fashion.

Two questions;

Does anyone expect us to play the same 11 for 46 games? Even discounting injuries we've got a lot of players around 30 and we play with very high intensity.

Does everyone expect us to win every game?

 

[McGrath]

Blimey, had our keeper not been injured and QPR been gifted the easiest goal imaginable after 10 minutes, we might have been talking about a different game.

 

[Snowman]

I think Holloway deserves a bit of credit here. He's a wily old worzel who's been around a long time and has coached teams to play in different styles. He had Blackpool playing great football and is equally adept at hoof. He's QPR's Warnock in many ways. If old school is the new school, he's very much back in fashion.

Two questions;

Does anyone expect us to play the same 11 for 46 games? Even discounting injuries we've got a lot of players around 30 and we play with very high intensity.

Does everyone expect us to win every game?

No to both. What I expect is to try and keep the shape and the style (oooooh Missus Hairstylist) the same so that those coming in know exactly how it should be played having done it hour after hour on the training pitch. I don't even object to a plan B/C/Z and CW has proved adept at that during a game. What I do object to is mix and match of something never tried before and square pegs in round holes. Brooks, get up front with Clarke. When you are manhandled you are in the penalty area not halfway up the pitch. When you get the ball you are in a position to score which you aren't bad at. DO NOT play him in some sort of midfield in the system we play. As for the rest, don't get me started!

 

[Dellas Cowboys]

I think Holloway deserves a bit of credit here. He's a wily old worzel who's been around a long time and has coached teams to play in different styles. He had Blackpool playing great football and is equally adept at hoof. He's QPR's Warnock in many ways. If old school is the new school, he's very much back in fashion.

Two questions;

Does anyone expect us to play the same 11 for 46 games? Even discounting injuries we've got a lot of players around 30 and we play with very high intensity.

Does everyone expect us to win every game?

He had Basham at Blackpool didn't he.

 

[BushBlade]

No to both. What I expect is to try and keep the shape and the style (oooooh Missus Hairstylist) the same so that those coming in know exactly how it should be played having done it hour after hour on the training pitch. I don't even object to a plan B/C/Z and CW has proved adept at that during a game. What I do object to is mix and match of something never tried before and square pegs in round holes. Brooks, get up front with Clarke. When you are manhandled you are in the penalty area not halfway up the pitch. When you get the ball you are in a position to score which you aren't bad at. DO NOT play him in some sort of midfield in the system we play. As for the rest, don't get me started!

That wasn't really an option though as we don't have a direct replacement for Fleck. We've got a very good fitness coach and we carefully monitor the players' fitness so I believe not starting with Sharp and Duffy was because of the feedback CW has received on their fitness.

He's tried to make best use of the options available to him and this time, it hasn't worked.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

He should do it behind a loan striker. I think that's the point people are making isn't it?

Who d'ya reckon we should borrow

 

[ucandomagic]

Keeper falls on his head and gifts them a goal. We miss 2 sitters. Rub of the green and we would have won.

Against Wolves they missed a pen. Against Ipswich Waghorn hits the bar. Without rub of the green we could have lost. Would we have questioned the team then?

Last night there was no room to play in midfield and we weren’t much better when Duff came on because there was no room for him either. Brooks was OK. Main disappointment was Don, and Tufty saw that and took him off. We were better when Billy came on, but you can see why Tufty thought muscle up front might work.

Watching Citeh tonight, passing the ball so quickly, you can see that when you are pressed hard you don’t have the time that Coutts and Lundstram wanted last night. Of course when Fleck and Coutts are together they are always available to each other.

Main lesson that I learned last night was that I realised why Tufty wanted Cole and Leonard.

Still Magic

 

[Rob86]

I think Holloway deserves a bit of credit here. He's a wily old worzel who's been around a long time and has coached teams to play in different styles. He had Blackpool playing great football and is equally adept at hoof. He's QPR's Warnock in many ways. If old school is the new school, he's very much back in fashion.

Two questions;

Does anyone expect us to play the same 11 for 46 games? Even discounting injuries we've got a lot of players around 30 and we play with very high intensity.

Does everyone expect us to win every game?

Yeah I agree, unfortunately football is an unforgiving industry. If we were mid table WLWLWL scenario, no one would have been as bothered about Tuesday, but our immense start leads to increased expectations and quite a few of us (me included) feel the defeats more.

We are almost there as a squad, our starting 11 at present, looks like it could beat anyone and launch a serious promotion push, but it is impossible to use the same 11 for the whole season. Tuesday was a reality check for the players but also the us fans. The reaction to Tuesday shows that the seasons expectation of consolidating is quickly turning into a season of expecting promotion and this is wrong. We really don't have the same level of quality cover in key area to be even thinking about promotion.

Im not joining the meltdown club after 1 defeat on the trot and I'm not saying promotion won't happen, but IMO it is unlikely with the current squad. Which is what I thought before the season started !

 

[BushBlade]

Yeah I agree, unfortunately football is an unforgiving industry. If we were mid table WLWLWL scenario, no one would have been as bothered about Tuesday, but our immense start leads to increased expectations and quite a few of us (me included) feel the defeats more.

We are almost there as a squad, our starting 11 at present, looks like it could beat anyone and launch a serious promotion push, but it is impossible to use the same 11 for the whole season. Tuesday was a reality check for the players but also the us fans. The reaction to Tuesday shows that the seasons expectation of consolidating is quickly turning into a season of expecting promotion and this is wrong. We really don't have the same level of quality cover in key area to be even thinking about promotion.

Im not joining the meltdown club after 1 defeat on the trot and I'm not saying promotion won't happen, but IMO it is unlikely with the current squad. Which is what I thought before the season started !

I think we'll strengthen in the JTW. It's a question of can we keep up our form until then. Hopefully get back on track against Hull.