Love United, Hate Wilson hey ?!?!

[Darren]

Ok, my definition of setting the ball rolling.

Hoofy watch:
Season 1 Feb-May 2008. Games 14 Points 27 Pts per game = 1.929
Season 2 2008-2009 Games 46 Points 80 Pts per game = 1.739 (approx .2 per game less)
Season 3 2009-2010 Games 46 Points 65 Pts per game = 1.413 (approx .3 per game less)
Season 4 2010 Games 2 Points 1 Pts per game = 0.5 (approx .9 per game less)

Given that Season 4 was somewhat curtailed and is, therefore, unfair, even without it we are going in only one direction at an increasing rate (i.e. the ball is starting to roll).

I won't even go into the selling of any wingers, pace and the turning the squad into being completely unwatchable as it makes me vomit just thinking about it.

Well done Houso for putting into words how i felt about the initial tone of this thread.

If were doing maths, during KB's tenure we declined by an average of 2.5 points per season. If that continued, we would have averaged roughly 1.15 points per game in 2010-11 = 53 points for the season, which would have given us 19th place and survival.

Or if you want to do it on the basis that he progressively declined but halved the increase rate each season (.2 in 09-09, .3 in 09-10, thus .35 in 2010-11, that gives roughly 1.06 points per game in 2010-11 = 49 points and (narrow) survival.

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We were a worse team in 2010-11 than we were in 2009-10, but not that much worse and absolutely no-one as far as I am aware predicted relegation at the start of that season

I think you're wrong about that. My father was saying it at the time, and he and dozens of others who attended the Hartlepool game were saying it even louder a mere 2 games in while Blackwell was manager. As Grecian shows, things were slowly slipping back, and they reached a point of critical mass at the start of that season.

Well, we have had the Hartlepool discussion before and I really don't think you could sensibly read anything into a first round league cup game featuring two debutants (Chappell and James) who clearly were not good enough. By all account the team had played well in the previous 1-1 draw at Cardiff, being unlucky not win despite playing most of the game with 10 men.

Anyway, no-one can be proved right in this argument and neither of us is going to change his view!

 

[Darren]

We were a worse team in 2010-11 than we were in 2009-10, but not that much worse and absolutely no-one as far as I am aware predicted relegation at the start of that season

I think you're wrong about that. My father was saying it at the time, and he and dozens of others who attended the Hartlepool game were saying it even louder a mere 2 games in while Blackwell was manager. As Grecian shows, things were slowly slipping back, and they reached a point of critical mass at the start of that season.

Well, we have had the Hartlepool discussion before and I really don't think you could sensibly read anything into a first round league cup game featuring two debutants (Chappell and James) who clearly were not good enough. By all account the team had played well in the previous 1-1 draw at Cardiff, being unlucky not win despite playing most of the game with 10 men.

Anyway, no-one can be proved right in this argument and neither of us is going to change his view!

 

[JJ Sefton]

Instead...Adams tried getting them to play the beautiful game.

Ummmmm, are you sure about that?

 

[mattbianco1]

Doesn't disguise that this thread is pile of steaming dogshit though.

Why's that? It was silly that it caused such an uproar in the first place. It's almost bigoted opinions that he shouldn't be in charge because he is ex-pigs.

Let's hope we never sign a German !

P.S.

Sorry if I named and shamed anybody. I wanted to put it accross to see how you all felt now. You can trawl back through posts and see I always said "Give him a chance"

 

[JJ Sefton]

Anyway, no-one can be proved right in this argument and neither of us is going to change his view!

Ill remind you of that.

 

[mattbianco1]

By all account the team had played well in the previous 1-1 draw at Cardiff, being unlucky not win despite playing most of the game with 10 men.

I forgot about that. They were unlucky not to win that game. Lowton was sent off. If he hadn't been, who knows.

The only home game i missed that season was QPR, we got humiliated to the worse team in the league that day... Oh, hang on a minute.. No, no, they won the fucking league

 

[Deleted member 875]

P.S.

Sorry if I named and shamed anybody. I wanted to put it accross to see how you all felt now. You can trawl back through posts and see I always said "Give him a chance"

I don't really think it is about naming or shaming people, it's more about illustrating the good work Danny Wilson has done in that time.

I still think it was a very very brave decision from Kevin McCabe to appoint him, as it could very easily have backfired, and if things hadn't started well all hell would have broken loose again, but instead Wilson has been a steadying influence on the club, and has done a lot to put right the mistakes that other managers have made in the past.

In my honest opinion I think the club is still recovering from the absolutely monumental fuck up they made in appointing Robson, and allowing him and Terry Robinson to go wild spending more than the club ever have.

I don't really have any beef with Blackwell, because I honestly think that although it wasn't ultimately a success, his reign did slow the decline

 

[stannyblade]

MMM Humble pie. My favourite. Ive eaten enough of it since DW was appointed.

Wasnt going to go to a game while he was here. BUT I watched his press conference when you could here SACK THE PIG in the background. He made so much sense that I decided to back him for now. I bought the season ticket and have been to my first away game since before the premier league. Long may it continue.

Well done Danny boy.

He used to be shite but now he's alright
Walking in a Wilson wonderland

 

[super_pig]

if hoofy was still in charge we'd be hoofing around in the championship lower mid section for this and the next five years.. and if you get promoted you come straight back down again (see Warnock).. as i said at the time 'hoofball is only acceptable to the fans if you keep winning' .. because basically it is unwatchable as a spectacle and has nothing to do with entertainment.. so this season is a blessing in disguise, we've gone back to the bottom and worked up.. we can take this style of play and improve it incrementally without fundamentally changing the whole squad at once (see Norwich, Southampton)
anyways, for all those who didn't accept wilson, it's understandable.. even DW said it at the time. Now we can move forward together. Stop arguing. It doesn't matter anymore

just for the record my opinion on it was 'give him a chance.. life is full of ironies'

 

[broomhillblade]

Im still not happy about having a grunter in charge at t'Lane.

Derek Dooley didn't do too badly for us....

 

[grafikhaus]

If by "Hoofy" you mean Blackwell, he most certainly did not "drag us into the shit", given that we finished 9th, 3rd and 8th under his aegis.

That's true, Darren. And he had a very good win ratio. Anyone looking at those bald statistics would assume KB was a good manager.

Ditto Lee Clarke.

But anybody turning up, week in week out and seeing the utter drivel his 'teams' produced would soon get tired of it. (Blackwell and Clarke).

 

[SwissBlade]

Why's that? It was silly that it caused such an uproar in the first place. It's almost bigoted opinions that he shouldn't be in charge because he is ex-pigs.

Let's hope we never sign a German !

P.S.

Sorry if I named and shamed anybody. I wanted to put it accross to see how you all felt now. You can trawl back through posts and see I always said "Give him a chance"

You missed me off the naming and shaming list though!

 

[super_pig]

he once played for them as a professional.. it's not as though he supports them

 

[Houso]

Why's that? It was silly that it caused such an uproar in the first place. It's almost bigoted opinions that he shouldn't be in charge because he is ex-pigs.

Let's hope we never sign a German !

P.S.

Sorry if I named and shamed anybody. I wanted to put it accross to see how you all felt now. You can trawl back through posts and see I always said "Give him a chance"

Feel free to trawl back through my posts and highlight where I said I didn't want him in charge because of his previous employers.

I was worried about how the fanbase would react with that in mind, but the true problem was his recent record at this level.

Again, I'm happy to admit I've been proven very wrong (so far), but your assumption that I didn't want him due to his blue and white history is quite incorrect.

And it's a pile of dogshit, because at a time when we're doing well and for the first time in seasons the fanbase is united, you (and certain others) choose to be divisive for a cheap point.

I had a glance through your posts earlier, but it was mostly to check that you've always been right as you seem to be certain you are. Interesting to see that you didn't think Neill Collins would be good enough for our team this season. Fancy a slice of that humble pie?

 

[Pedro Verde]

I was in the 'give him a chance but not happy, category not because he was a pig but his record at previous L1 clubs.
Hes done fantastically well this season. I have one reservation at some clubs hes been successful in his first season but then not been so good after the initial first season hence why he was unemployed when he came here.
Hope he can continue his great start and follow up with a great season possibly in the Championship

 

[LoughboroBlade]

You have to remember too that Wilson has done his job this season without having a consultant in to deal with all the phone calls etc that you have to deal with as manager, so deserves even greater praise...

 

[MunXy]

a fair few view points here, cant say i was initially happy with the appointment but saying that we had just been relegated after a really shocking season, 4 managers, nothing but lies and deception coming out of BDTBL (if anything at all), fans leaving in droves for one reason or another and then KM appoints an ex wendy player/manager who had a mediocre record as manager else where (Barnsley accepted) and a general feeling of a dead relative around the fans and players alike.
but as said before i heard what he had to say after the official press conference, kind of informal meet the fans and it was by and large hostile towards him and KM, to his credit he spoke with passion and seeming honesty in the face of tremendous adversity which spoke volumes, he made no promises of europe in 3 years etc but did say he would do his best for united and seemed commited to the cause, about 8 months on and he has far exceded mine and many others expectations and done it with quiet dignity which has converted all but the most adamant fan and given us a very real belief not present for a very long time and even if we fail to gain promotion i personally think mssrs wilson and co can be proud of bringing our team so far forwards in so short a time.
to quote a famous fighting figure "never in the field of football conflict has so much been owed to so few by so many".
Well done and carry on the great work.

MunXy

 

[Deleted member 875]

Absolutely bang on Munxy.

 

[Pinchy]

I can confirm that Brownie ate his slice of pie openly and directly and that DW responded like the absolute gentleman we have all come to admire.

Swiss,

Your problem has always been that you think Hoof is inherently more likely to be effective than football. History unequivocally and emphatically shows to the contrary.

Darren and other apologists for the Former Semi-Pro, Non-League, Reserve Goalie,

You can cite as many statistics as you like. The evidence of our eyes was that his mind-numbing, turgid anti-football was dragging this club down and driving fans away. It was impossible to sack him too soon. He overstayed his "welcome" by 18 months. The notion that fans care only about results has about as much credibility as the one that says "direct" football is more likely to produce results. Remember Quickfix Mickey? The beautiful game??? Risible!

Horrible Hoof is discredited and has been for many years. Most of its practitioners are, happily, out of work. May they never return!

As for SUFC: :heart: Wilson; :heart: Football; :heart: United.

 

[JohnDenver]

The notion that fans care only about results has about as much credibility as the one that says "direct" football is more likely to produce results.

Whilst I agree...

Stoke City vs Valencia. God, life's complicated.

 

[mattbianco1]

Feel free to trawl back through my posts and highlight where I said I didn't want him in charge because of his previous employers

I had a glance through your posts earlier, but it was mostly to check that you've always been right as you seem to be certain you are. Interesting to see that you didn't think Neill Collins would be good enough for our team this season. Fancy a slice of that humble pie?

Not directly at you but a vast majority of people posting were mainly against him due to his blue and white blood.

With regards to Collins, i actually voted him as the player of the season the other day. Massive surprise. Not as much a surprise as the worst midfielder to ever play for united (Doyle) playing extremely well!

2 slices please

 

[manksitheblade]

i think one thing which was wrongly over exaggerated was that people and the media said he was a pig and that it was the main point for united annoyance when in truth i think most sound minded blades fans were annoyed with his record apart from barnsley hes done quite bad imo and i think has been relegated with every club at least once which i thought was good reason to show dismay (not in the protesting way as that puts us in the level of leeds fans...sigh) but now as "men" we can admit to being wrong and that he has proven that and i completely commit myself to his style, choices and agree on almost every level of his management and the direction i think hell take the blades in

UTB

 

[Sirius]

Living so far away I haven't seen the Blades since they were in the top flight. I am thankful for the comprehensive reports written by Deadbat and others, and the discussions that followed but until recently I felt that it would be a waste of time and money to come over and watch the utter tripe served up by the managers between Warnock and Wilson. Over the last few weeks I have become cautiously optimistic about our progress. We appear to be playing our best football for some considerable time, my feet are getting itchy again and Mrs S has been advised that a visit to Sheffield is on the cards. Of course we Blades are used to taking the rough with the smooth. Come on Danny let's have a smooth ride to promotion. It has been a very good week. I hope PNE don't spoil it. Result forecast 3-1 Blades.

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he once played for them as a professional.. it's not as though he supports them

I would hope that every player would do his best for whichever club he plays for. Bradders is a Blade through and through but he gave his all when playing at Owlerton. I couldn't give a monkeys hang down is a player has played for any other club. Providing he knows what is expected of a Blade's player.

 

[boo radley]

If we go on a losing run,I wonder how many will suddenly say ''he shows no passion. He just stands there with his arms crossed''?

 

[mpjacko]

My two complaints from when DW was appointed were:

KM gave him the job when DW never even wanted it in the first place and never even applied for the position. What does that say to all the tallent lower league managers who prob could do a similar job to DW when a person gets the job who didn't bother even apply for it.

DW league record is not very good. One promotion in the past 10 years or so yet KM made out DW had the experience to get us out of the league. IF so, why hasn't DW done it more often?

My other grievances are with KM himself. Would he run his business the same way has he runs Utd? Would he employ the cheapest option to run his company? I very much doubt it.

Would he make as many mistakes as he does for Utd for his business. I guess not as he wouldn't have a business to run if he did.

 

[SwissBlade]

I can confirm that Brownie ate his slice of pie openly and directly and that DW responded like the absolute gentleman we have all come to admire.

Swiss,

Your problem has always been that you think Hoof is inherently more likely to be effective than football. History unequivocally and emphatically shows to the contrary.

Darren and other apologists for the Former Semi-Pro, Non-League, Reserve Goalie,

You can cite as many statistics as you like. The evidence of our eyes was that his mind-numbing, turgid anti-football was dragging this club down and driving fans away. It was impossible to sack him too soon. He overstayed his "welcome" by 18 months. The notion that fans care only about results has about as much credibility as the one that says "direct" football is more likely to produce results. Remember Quickfix Mickey? The beautiful game??? Risible!

Horrible Hoof is discredited and has been for many years. Most of its practitioners are, happily, out of work. May they never return!

As for SUFC: :heart: Wilson; :heart: Football; :heart: United.

Absolute rubbish and statements like this just make you look a fool.

 

[shorehamview]

Absolute rubbish and statements like this just make you look a fool.

To be fair he doesn't usually need any help with that.

 

[boo radley]

Absolute rubbish and statements like this just make you look a fool.

To be fair he doesn't usually need any help with that.

Just remember he was the first one to tell us and teach us all about football. He also lead by example for praising Quinns statement when no one else did, whatever that was. Where were they all following him on that? perhaps its because he's a frustrated preacher and has no Flock?

 

[Bladesway]

I'm just surprised that we are doing well yet some people can't leave the itch for a fight alone and to say "I told you so". Oh hang on, no I'm not.

 

[blade too long]

lets just accept that some were quick to condemn due to his roots, a sort of piggy racism, but they now see the light
lets let them alone and welcome them into the light

as Confucius says enlightment is a path blades tread warily
he who dust with a brillo pad gets scratched sideboards