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I was looking at something to do with a club I have a soft spot for - Workington, when I noticed a familiar name from the 1960's, Mick Heaton. I thought, he used to play for us, remember him in the 1968/69? team photo.

I then found a very interesting and poingnant link to him. A good read.

https://www.toffeeweb.com/season/19-20/comment/history/39422.html
 



The Bear said:
I was looking at something to do with a club I have a soft spot for - Workington, when I noticed a familiar name from the 1960's, Mick Heaton. I thought, he used to play for us, remember him in the 1968/69? team photo.

I then found a very interesting and poingnant link to him. A good read.

https://www.toffeeweb.com/season/19-20/comment/history/39422.html
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Workington ? Why ? Although I do remember them as a league club. Ditto Southport and Bradford PA
 
The Bear said:
I was looking at something to do with a club I have a soft spot for - Workington, when I noticed a familiar name from the 1960's, Mick Heaton. I thought, he used to play for us, remember him in the 1968/69? team photo.

I then found a very interesting and poingnant link to him. A good read.

https://www.toffeeweb.com/season/19-20/comment/history/39422.html
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There's a historical link between Workington and Dronfield. Back in the day, Dronfield made 3/5 of the UK's railway lines with the Bessemer Converters on Calleywhite Lane. The work was done by Cammel's who built a load of houses, including Cammel Row which (I think) used to be where the open space across from the Three Tuns is.

Anyway, Cammel's the steel makers decided to merge with Laird's the shipbuilders and up sticks to the coast at Workington. With them went hundreds of workers - leaving Dronfield almost as a ghost town for decades. If you ever get into Workington Town Hall, you'll see the list of past Aldermen - and loads of them are Wards, Bookers, Handleys and the like - all old Dronfield names.
 
SheepdipBlade said:
There's a historical link between Workington and Dronfield. Back in the day, Dronfield made 3/5 of the UK's railway lines with the Bessemer Converters on Calleywhite Lane. The work was done by Cammel's who built a load of houses, including Cammel Row which (I think) used to be where the open space across from the Three Tuns is.
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My dad was born in Cammell's Row in 1930 and lived there until the houses were demolished in 1960. His grandparents and their 5 children moved in there in 1920 or 1921 and the former occupants were Mr and Mrs Pendleton. The wife had murdered her husband before committing suicide one night in August 1920. Think I will be able to get more info when the 1921 census will be available for public viewing next January

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Silent Blade said:
My dad was born in Cammell's Row in 1930 and lived there until the houses were demolished in 1960. His grandparents and their 5 children moved in there in 1920 or 1921 and the former occupants were Mr and Mrs Pendleton. The wife had murdered her husband before committing suicide one night in August 1920. Think I will be able to get more info when the 1921 census will be available for public viewing next January

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My grandparents lived across the road from there, in Dronfield ( not quite in Unstone). They were there until the late 1960s, so I spent a good number of Sundays there while your Dad was there. Good for train spotting.
 
HodgysBrokenThumb said:
My grandparents lived across the road from there, in Dronfield ( not quite in Unstone). They were there until the late 1960s, so I spent a good number of Sundays there while your Dad was there. Good for train spotting.
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My grandmother's cousin, Grace Hall (nee Jackson) lived across the road from late 1940s until her death in 2001 aged 94. I used to call her Auntie Grace.
 
cahill said:
Workington ? Why ? Although I do remember them as a league club. Ditto Southport and Bradford PA
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My late stepfather was a very good goalkeeper and came from Carlisle. It is difficult to follow a team in blue so I took an interest in Workington. I saw them once at Borough Park against Barnsley and all the home fans changed ends at half time. Very odd. Would love to see them come back and Bradford PA too.
 
I saw both those clubs and Southport. I’m a football nostalgic as well.
 
I've been going to Utd games with my mate ever since I met him on the train back to London after "that" Darlington away game. He's from a small W Yorkshire town inbetween Bradford, Huddersfield & Halifax. He grew up as a Bradford Park Avenue fan. But, when they went under, when he was still a teenager at school, he faced a difficult choice. Would he just drift away from being a football fan, or would he find another team to support? So, he had to logically find another team. Ever widening the geography. He couldn't just pick the other hated rivals Bradford team. Leeds were out. As were Halifax & Huddersfield. There were lads at his school who supported them & he'd been slagging them off for years. Eventually, the compass stopped on SUFC as a sort of safe neutral team, far enough away from his old W Yorkshire stomping ground. I think it's unusual for fans to have to make a nuanced choice in that way.
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
I've been going to Utd games with my mate ever since I met him on the train back to London after "that" Darlington away game. He's from a small W Yorkshire town inbetween Bradford, Huddersfield & Halifax. He grew up as a Bradford Park Avenue fan. But, when they went under, when he was still a teenager at school, he faced a difficult choice. Would he just drift away from being a football fan, or would he find another team to support? So, he had to logically find another team. Ever widening the geography. He couldn't just pick the other hated rivals Bradford team. Leeds were out. As were Halifax & Huddersfield. There were lads at his school who supported them & he'd been slagging them off for years. Eventually, the compass stopped on SUFC as a sort of safe neutral team, far enough away from his old W Yorkshire stomping ground. I think it's unusual for fans to have to make a nuanced choice in that way.
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Just been looking at stuff to do with Bradford PA and thier ground. I hadn't realised that in a sense it was the third ground that was dual use (cricket/football) except at Park Avenue the cricket part backed on to the main football stand. Indeed that stand is very interesting as it appears to be double sided. Was that the case? Appears one side of the stand with its distinctive gables looked out onto the football pitch and the other onto the cricket ground. How totally philistine to pull it down. Possibly unique in the world that, never mind in Britain.

 
The Bear said:
Just been looking at stuff to do with Bradford PA and thier ground. I hadn't realised that in a sense it was the third ground that was dual use (cricket/football) except at Park Avenue the cricket part backed on to the main football stand. Indeed that stand is very interesting as it appears to be double sided. Was that the case? Appears one side of the stand with its distinctive gables looked out onto the football pitch and the other onto the cricket ground. How totally philistine to pull it down. Possibly unique in the world that, never mind in Britain.

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Yes, it was double sided like Headingley is.
 
The Bear said:
I was looking at something to do with a club I have a soft spot for - Workington, when I noticed a familiar name from the 1960's, Mick Heaton. I thought, he used to play for us, remember him in the 1968/69? team photo.

I then found a very interesting and poingnant link to him. A good read.

https://www.toffeeweb.com/season/19-20/comment/history/39422.html
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We signed John Flynn from Workington .
My mates brother Paul Taylor started with the pigs in the early 70s and ended up at Southport , he used to take us with him to games when Utd werent playing and one game was a league game between Southport and Workington. Ive got the programme and always kidded myself it would be worth something as not many clubs went out of the league in those days.
 
sitwell said:
We signed John Flynn from Workington .
My mates brother Paul Taylor started with the pigs in the early 70s and ended up at Southport , he used to take us with him to games when Utd werent playing and one game was a league game between Southport and Workington. Ive got the programme and always kidded myself it would be worth something as not many clubs went out of the league in those days.
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That's why I was so glad Barrow made it back and of course dear old Accrington (our only play off final victory). These parts of the world had a bt of tradition. You can stuff the Stevenages and Crawleys of this world. Sound like a grumpy old man now, which at 63 I probably am! :)

Just want Third Lanark and the biggest losers of all - my Scottish team - Clydebank back - (swindled out of the league by bloody Airdrie) and that would be great.
 
The Bear said:
Just been looking at stuff to do with Bradford PA and thier ground. I hadn't realised that in a sense it was the third ground that was dual use (cricket/football) except at Park Avenue the cricket part backed on to the main football stand. Indeed that stand is very interesting as it appears to be double sided. Was that the case? Appears one side of the stand with its distinctive gables looked out onto the football pitch and the other onto the cricket ground. How totally philistine to pull it down. Possibly unique in the world that, never mind in Britain.
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As always, there are some fine definitional details. Bramall Lane & The County Ground were three sided football grounds, with the open side being used for County Cricket. Bradford Park Avenue & Feethams Darlington were four sides football grounds with immediately adjacent & connected County Cricket grounds. But, only Park Avenue really had the one stand facing two ways format. Football had already ceased at the ground by the time I started visiting it in the 70s. As Revolution has said above, Headingley is also a four sided rugby league ground, with an immediately adjacent & attached county cricket ground. Even following the recent renovations, Headingley has retained the one stand looking both ways format. The new stand has a full length hospitality lounge which overlooks both the Rugby League ground & the County Cricket ground.
(I dare say, over the many years, there are also other grounds which have been used for both football & Cricket)
 



SheepdipBlade said:
There's a historical link between Workington and Dronfield. Back in the day, Dronfield made 3/5 of the UK's railway lines with the Bessemer Converters on Calleywhite Lane. The work was done by Cammel's who built a load of houses, including Cammel Row which (I think) used to be where the open space across from the Three Tuns is.

Anyway, Cammel's the steel makers decided to merge with Laird's the shipbuilders and up sticks to the coast at Workington. With them went hundreds of workers - leaving Dronfield almost as a ghost town for decades. If you ever get into Workington Town Hall, you'll see the list of past Aldermen - and loads of them are Wards, Bookers, Handleys and the like - all old Dronfield names.
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Cammel Lairds still going.

They secured the contract to effect the Power Improvement Programme for our blighted Type 45 Destroyers - HMS DAUNTLESS is currently in their hands in Bindippertown.

They also built Type 42 Destroyers HMS BIRMINGHAM, COVENTRY, LIVERPOOL and EDINBURGH and one Type 22 Frigate HMS CAMPBELTOWN. Good shipbuilders and engineers, but like most things industrial, riven with union shithousery and narrow minded protectivism.

And, y'know, lar ... they're fucking scousers. Life's eternal victims. Arr kid. Ey? Calm down. Dee-doo-dow-don't-de-dow?

pommpey
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
I've been going to Utd games with my mate ever since I met him on the train back to London after "that" Darlington away game. He's from a small W Yorkshire town inbetween Bradford, Huddersfield & Halifax. He grew up as a Bradford Park Avenue fan. But, when they went under, when he was still a teenager at school, he faced a difficult choice. Would he just drift away from being a football fan, or would he find another team to support? So, he had to logically find another team. Ever widening the geography. He couldn't just pick the other hated rivals Bradford team. Leeds were out. As were Halifax & Huddersfield. There were lads at his school who supported them & he'd been slagging them off for years. Eventually, the compass stopped on SUFC as a sort of safe neutral team, far enough away from his old W Yorkshire stomping ground. I think it's unusual for fans to have to make a nuanced choice in that way.
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It's an awful choice that fortunately few football fans have ever had to make.

I also know someone who supported Bradford Park Avenue very well and he chose Halifax Town, so that meant he consigned himself to a further life of regret.

He reckons many ended up, unsurprisingly given their dominance back then, with the Dirty. Very few, in his opinion, opted for Bradford City. His biggest gripe in life is that Bradford City are continually referred to as "Bradford" by the media.
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
(I dare say, over the many years, there are also other grounds which have been used for both football & Cricket)
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But there are only 2 grounds that have shown league football, cricket, test matches and a Cup Final, the other being the Oval.
 
bypassblade said:
But there are only 2 grounds that have shown league football, cricket, test matches and a Cup Final, the other being the Oval.
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Who played at Wembley one Saturday at the FA Cup Final, AND at Wembley the following Saturday for the Rugby League Cup Final
 
bypassblade said:
But there are only 2 grounds that have shown league football, cricket, test matches and a Cup Final, the other being the Oval.
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I'm gonna push back at that. Has The Oval really hosted League Football? I'm not so sure.

(Incidentally, I've seen Baseball at The Oval)
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
I'm gonna push back at that. Has The Oval really hosted League Football? I'm not so sure.

(Incidentally, I've seen Baseball at The Oval)
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Apparently so not sure when I could never get on with baseball, yet I know the Americans love it.
 
Sorry my bad league not right here we go.

The uniqueness of Bramall Lane doesn't stop there. It is one of only two stadiums in the world that has hosted an England football international match, an England cricket test match and an FA Cup Final.

The Oval is one of two grounds (Bramall Lane in Sheffield being the other) to have staged England football and cricket internationals and FA Cup finals.
 
bypassblade said:
Sorry my bad league not right here we go.

The uniqueness of Bramall Lane doesn't stop there. It is one of only two stadiums in the world that has hosted an England football international match, an England cricket test match and an FA Cup Final.

The Oval is one of two grounds (Bramall Lane in Sheffield being the other) to have staged England football and cricket internationals and FA Cup finals.
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I've also been to a Campaign For Real Ale Annual Beer Awards Luncheon at The Oval.
 



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