Loans, no point or another balls up?

[PeteBlade]

Pete, I admire the fact you've stuck to your guns in suggesting those above Adkins could have done a better job be that being open about nil activity or actually getting something over the line if they intended to.

That said Adkins has been backed as much as any manager at this level except perhaps at Wigan.

Wages
How much do you think players from The PL and top end Championship clubs are getting? My guesswork for which I may well be a little up or down but not far off I don't believe:
Sharp 12k
Woolford 4k
Hammond 22k (contribution 11k)
Edgar 12k (contribution 6k)
Sammon 16k (contribution 8k)
Baptiste 12k (contribution 6k)
200k per month

Fees
300-500k on Sharp plus other loan fees

He's been backed but wasted it.

To be honest I've no idea what wages any of those guys are on.

But I suppose my question is, do you think he would have spent the alleged wages on loan players if he'd been allowed to sign anyone else permanently?

I'm aware that the fact one of those permanent signings was Martin Woolford doesn't strengthen my point particularly...

 

[Barney]

To be honest I've no idea what wages any of those guys are on.

But I suppose my question is, do you think he would have spent the alleged wages on loan players if he'd been allowed to sign anyone else permanently?

I'm aware that the fact one of those permanent signings was Martin Woolford doesn't strengthen my point particularly...

He was backed. Could have been backed more, but he was backed enough to make progress on 5th. He has squandered it all on poor players and has thus taken us 7 places backwards.

I'm really glad he didn't sign as many permanently by the way with his piss poor judgement.

 

[Foxy]

Expected two in over the last few weeks, but hey ho.

 

[PeteBlade]

He was backed. Could have been backed more, but he was backed enough to make progress on 5th. He has squandered it all on poor players and has thus taken us 7 places backwards.

I'm really glad he didn't sign as many permanently by the way with his piss poor judgement.

It's not been complete piss poor judgement, that's a typical armchair thing to say.

Sharp was a good signing, despite you changing your mind since we signed him whether you think he was or not.

Baptiste, despite a shaky start ( after injury) he looks like he could be more than decent, not that you'd know as you've never seen him play, you won't know.

It's very easy to be overly critical from such a short sample. I wonder what Clough's signing strike rate was, or Warnock's.

If you attended during their eras.

 

[Barney]

It's not been complete piss poor judgement, that's a typical armchair thing to say.

Sharp was a good signing, despite you changing your mind since we signed him whether you think he was or not.

Baptiste, despite a shaky start ( after injury) he looks like he could be more than decent, not that you'd know as you've never seen him play, you won't know.

It's very easy to be overly critical from such a short sample. I wonder what Clough's signing strike rate was, or Warnock's.

If you attended during their eras.

I have always said the same about Sharp. A decent enough player, a bad signing for what we paid.

I don't understand how you are continually unable to accept that despite having the funds to make progress, he and his signings have taken us 7 places backwards.

 

[Champagneblade]

To be honest I've no idea what wages any of those guys are on.

But I suppose my question is, do you think he would have spent the alleged wages on loan players if he'd been allowed to sign anyone else permanently?

I'm aware that the fact one of those permanent signings was Martin Woolford doesn't strengthen my point particularly...

I don't think the board would have stopped him signing players if they made sense.

For example:

I'd like to sign McGeehan from Luton. He'll cost us 400,000 and we'll need to pay him 200,000 per year for three years. He's 20 5'11" and has been developed by Chelsea and Norwich and has shown an eye for goal in the league below. There is potential his value will increase.

I'd like to sign Hammond. A year loan will cost us 550,000 in wages plus a 50,000 loan fee. Next year he might accept 8,000 per week to be one of the top earners and join us permanently for the year though he'd prefer two. He has nil resale value,

Who do you think the club would give their 1m to, given the choice?

 

[Ricky]

You can't bring in loans in January.

Yes you can. What did we do with Hammond? Just a quick look at some other League One clubs' business also proves it. Coventry - James Maddison and Jack Stephens. Walsall - Bryn Morris. Gillingham - Dominic Samuel. Burton - Mason Bennett. All signed on loan before the end of the transfer window.

 

[Ricky]

I don't think the board would have stopped him signing players if they made sense.

For example:

I'd like to sign McGeehan from Luton. He'll cost us 400,000 and we'll need to pay him 200,000 per year for three years. He's 20 5'11" and has been developed by Chelsea and Norwich and has shown an eye for goal in the league below. There is potential his value will increase.

I'd like to sign Hammond. A year loan will cost us 550,000 in wages plus a 50,000 loan fee. Next year he might accept 8,000 per week to be one of the top earners and join us permanently for the year though he'd prefer two. He has nil resale value,

Who do you think the club would give their 1m to, given the choice?

You'd like to think so but apparently they refused to allow Adkins to sign Sam Morsy in January 'because he's out of contract in the summer', as laughable as that is. Surprise surprise, someone else snapped him up. And now they have a player immediately worth more than the reduced fee they paid. What an incredibly intelligent club Wigan must be! Such visionaries!

 

[BerksBlade]

Champagneblade:
McGeehan is a good shout.
I'm really struggling to see what Hammond brings, other than being Adkins' "Lieutenant" on the pitch. He has no legs, doesn't get forward, can't play a killer pass and gets booked every other game. He's not even that great an organiser. And as you say, zero resale value, as his career will be done when he leaves us. If you took away Monty's ability to run for 90 minutes Hammond is the player you'd end up with.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Unfortunately Mr Adkins is making himself look a right divvie. He should just fucking tell us if you ain't got owt to spend. Somebody is either lying to him or he's simply lying to us. Either way it's all gonna end in tears.

 

[Barney]

Unfortunately Mr Adkins is making himself look a right divvie. He should just fucking tell us if you ain't got owt to spend. Somebody is either lying to him or he's simply lying to us. Either way it's all gonna end in tears.

Don't see why the board would lie to Napkins in saying there were funds available when there wasn't. I also don't see why Napkins would want to lie about transfers being near if they weren't. What is far more likely is that we could have got them in if we wanted but a combination of piss poor management and piss poor ownership has prevented that. Going on Napkins' horrendous judgement, it was probably a few awful players we're better off doing without any way.

 

[Champagneblade]

Champagneblade:
McGeehan is a good shout.
I'm really struggling to see what Hammond brings, other than being Adkins' "Lieutenant" on the pitch. He has no legs, doesn't get forward, can't play a killer pass and gets booked every other game. He's not even that great an organiser. And as you say, zero resale value, as his career will be done when he leaves us. If you took away Monty's ability to run for 90 minutes Hammond is the player you'd end up with.

To be fair it was Ricky who first brought the player to my attention.

My example is more in the profiles and similar outlay.

It's disappointing if we did turn down Morsey but was Adkins also prepared to give up his mate Hammond as well? Maybe he fancied Morsey but he wasn't prepared to relent on keeping his mate Hammond around.

Either way the recruitment profile has been all wrong. Even on Billy. We really need what Billy was when he was last at this level - young, hungry and on low wages, not what he is now.

I don't think Adkins understood the playing squad when he arrived. He wanted certain players to join him regardless.

What we needed was someone to complement the goals McNulty could provide. What we need now is someone to complement the goals Sharp provides. We're no further forward.

 

[PeteBlade]

Don't see why the board would lie to Napkins in saying there were funds available when there wasn't. I also don't see why Napkins would want to lie about transfers being near if they weren't. What is far more likely is that we could have got them in if we wanted but a combination of piss poor management and piss poor ownership has prevented that. Going on Napkins' horrendous judgement, it was probably a few awful players we're better off doing without any way.

Oh you've given him a hilarious nickname
How clever.

 

[blackydog]

Why do people automatically assume that good, fit players are available for loan. There is a reason players are loaned out. It's either due to inexperience, lack of ability or lack of games.

I'm not a fan of loan signings. The majority of them never pay off and I certainly don't want to see us trying to integrate yet another player when we a) have to try and win some games to build a cohesive team and b) the playoffs are gone.

I'm glad they haven't brought another useless journeyman in.

Can't think who you mean?

 

[west_yorks_blade]

Oh you've given him a hilarious nickname
How clever.

Isn't it just. And from the guy who a couple of hours before slagged people off for jokey comments on threads.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

What has Adkins done to the club?

Inappropriate wording on my part perhaps, Adkins has done his best for the Club I am sure, the lack of consistency and some shocking results are only in some way counterbalanced by the better matches. My point being that in months past I used to utterly disagree with what Barney said of our manager and to a degree he has (to date and to a degree} been proven right.

But in my humble opinion, it is interesting times, some of the deadwood has left, I feel strangely optimistic on this sunny morning, eating my toast before setting off North. Not necessarily for today's match (I stopped talking the strong painkillers mid week) but my birthday is 1st October (hopefully a match day) and I believe by that time our manager will be proving his worth with a much improved team.

 

[PeteBlade]

Isn't it just. And from the guy who a couple of hours before slagged people off for jokey comments on threads.

Curtis used to do the same thing.
Made him look like a total whopper too.

 

[Esablade]

Inappropriate wording on my part perhaps, Adkins has done his best for the Club I am sure, the lack of consistency and some shocking results are only in some way counterbalanced by the better matches. My point being that in months past I used to utterly disagree with what Barney said of our manager and to a degree he has (to date and to a degree} been proven right.

But in my humble opinion, it is interesting times, some of the deadwood has left, I feel strangely optimistic on this sunny morning, eating my toast before setting off North. Not necessarily for today's match (I stopped talking the strong painkillers mid week) but my birthday is 1st October (hopefully a match day) and I believe by that time our manager will be proving his worth with a much improved team.

The club has some very deep rooted problems that hadn't even started to be addressed until January with Adkins.

Obviously looking back on the season his hands were tied somewhat as most of the dross were/are contracted until this summer...I reckon the board said give it a good go with this lot up to Jan and if we're up there we'll push on and if not swing the axe and bring some kids through.

Let's face it, this is a group of ( relatively expensive) players who have consistently come up short and failed the club in a poor league.

I've seen signs in the few good games that this bloke knows what he's doing and will put us on the right track if we can get the right players in.

He might grate on people when we're consistently struggling, he mght make mistakes as he tries to polish this turd and shuffle the pack and we might disagree on things but I feel that he does lead the club and knows what he wants and expects from the players.

Do you think a Bassett or Warnock would put up with players not putting a shift in during training?

I suspect the club will have a very different look and feel come August...whether that's a positive thing depends very much on the board and Adkns skills in the transfer market..( cue gnashing of teeth)

 

[Barney]

Isn't it just. And from the guy who a couple of hours before slagged people off for jokey comments on threads.

Ha! That post in reply to yours suggesting you take the piss to offset the fact that you don't know was actually a serious suggestion, it wasn't a dig. I had done exactly that further up.

 

[west_yorks_blade]

Ha! That post in reply to yours suggesting you take the piss to offset the fact that you don't know was actually a serious suggestion, it wasn't a dig. I had done exactly that further up.

My apologies then.

 

[MobileBlade]

I thought season long loans will carry on?

They will. And 6 month loans in JTW and summer. Will also be able to sign free agents till 4th Thursday in March.

 

[alcoblade]

Don't see why the board would lie to Napkins in saying there were funds available when there wasn't. I also don't see why Napkins would want to lie about transfers being near if they weren't. What is far more likely is that we could have got them in if we wanted but a combination of piss poor management and piss poor ownership has prevented that. Going on Napkins' horrendous judgement, it was probably a few awful players we're better off doing without any way.

"Napkins"

You juvenile, tiresome bore.

UTB

 

[Barney]

"Napkins"

You juvenile, tiresome bore.

UTB

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