Let's not lose sight of the fact

[HillmortonBlade]

What difference does it make if the pessimists suddenly start saying "we're going to win every game from here on in"?

I'll give you the answer, none at all.

The thing is, we deserve to be in the position we are in due to the way we've played for the majority of the season. We've had 1 game where we should have won (West Brom) and others where we MIGHT have got a point instead of losing (Leicester, Leeds). I don't think it's difficult to see why there are fans who don't subscribe to your view that "it'll be reyt because we turned it around 30 years ago" or "it doesn't matter if you lose to Liverpool because Barcelona once did".

It might turn around, great if it does. But the evidence so far suggests that it won't.

I can't wait for the first win, more to see your post saying "I told you we'd win one" than anything else.

If we beat Brighton and Burnley in the next 3 games then we still need snookers to stay up, it's hardly pessimism, it's realism. I'll still enjoy the wins because they'll be a step closer to 12 points.

I think if we win two of our next three games, then we are back in the running as it would represent a substantial change in attitude, tactics and luck.

 

[blade too long]

What difference does it make if the pessimists suddenly start saying "we're going to win every game from here on in"?

I'll give you the answer, none at all

Exactly the same as saying we are going to lose them all

No one knows what lies ahead

Just needs players who were good last season to believe again
Some talk like all our players are now all permanently useless

That is not the case
They are off form

And as I said all form is temporary

 

[Booker4]

Well said.
Too many doom-and-gloom merchants on here throwing in the towel when we have everything to play for. We will stay up.

Highfield as I said before, I admire your optimism, but I can't see that our performances will improve enough to win enough games to get out of this. We'll hopefully improve to become competitive, maybe get to around 20 points, but beyond that I can't see any possibility of staying up, unless we are able to sign two players that have a similar impact that Glynn Hodges did in 1991 but by the end of December when the window is about to open we could well be on about 5 points, we may have more granted, but by then everyone else will be on much more also, possibly with West Brom as an exception. They're the only team that I see as worse than us. I don't think its doom and gloom for fans to predict we'll be relegated, sorry mate. I just hope we refrain from over the top comments on here, ultra critical etc. I hope Wilder stays also, that seems a realistic hope even where we are now, but even Wilder must be totally drained from this.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Why would we need snooker after that
Our aim is 17th in may
Are we 20 points adrift
Are there only 12 points available now

We have competed in most games losing by the odd goal
Yesterday was a fucking awful display
But not all of our displays have been

We'd need other teams to do worse than us and we'd need to beat teams that aren't in the bottom 4, probably need to win 10 from 26 having won 0 from 12. I just can't see it. If you can then we'll have to agree to disagree, but just don't ram your point of view down people's throats on a weekly basis.

We've lost by the odd goal in all games apart from 2, however we've looked toothless in most games. I got my hopes up the last 2 seasons that we were actually a decent team, I've been badly let down this season.

 

[blade too long]

Jesus.

There's optimism where hope is available, and then there's denial where there isn't.
pommpey

Just because some lose faith why drag every body who have seen our players perform in this division and will return to what they are capable of , of their belief it's not over after 12 games

Been alright if everyone as the boats came back from Dunkirk said oooh that's it we can't beat these Germans they've got better arms trained soldiers and more planes
Love that never say die pompey spirit

 

[Houston_Blade]

I think if we win two of our next three games, then we are back in the running as it would represent a substantial change in attitude, tactics and luck.

Here's hoping.

 

[blade too long]

We'd need other teams to do worse than us and we'd need to beat teams that aren't in the bottom 4, probably need to win 10 from 26 having won 0 from 12. I just can't see it. If you can then we'll have to agree to disagree, but just don't ram your point of view down people's throats on a weekly basis.

We've lost by the odd goal in all games apart from 2, however we've looked toothless in most games. I got my hopes up the last 2 seasons that we were actually a decent team, I've been badly let down this season.

Hull stayed up with 35 points
Even lost at home v man Utd on the last day
10 wins are possible 12 even
We've played 9 top half clubs and 3 bottom half clubs so far
Saints moved to 4th yesterday
When we've lost home and away to Newcastle everton Brighton palace west brom at home ill accept we will go down

 

[HighfieldBlade]

I want whatever you're drinking, smoking and injecting and I want it now

It's called Absolut 100 proof PMA. Have a swig.

 

[JackSUFC]

But a run of defeats

It’s not just ‘a run of defeats’ though is it? It’s 15 defeats in the previous 16 league games.

Has any top flight side in the history of the game been this bad?

 

[blade too long]

It’s not just ‘a run of defeats’ though is it? It’s 15 defeats in the previous 16 league games.

Has any top flight in the history of the game been this bad?

I dont see how last season has any bearing on our aim to finish 17th this season
The last few results of last season are irrelevant

 

[Houston_Blade]

Hull stayed up with 35 points
Even lost at home v man Utd on the last day
10 wins are possible 12 even
We've played 9 top half clubs and 3 bottom half clubs so far
Saints moved to 4th yesterday
When we've lost home and away to Newcastle everton Brighton palace west brom at home ill accept we will go down

If we aspiring to Hull levels of footballing competence how many points did they have after 12 games when they got to 35 points? I can guarantee it was more than 1.

I get it, you don't think we're down until we're mathematically down. Just don't question why others don't share your opinion all the time. In my view barring a miracle, we're down. If you don't like it that's up to you, nothing I've seen in the last 15 games makes me think otherwise.

If I wanted to use your logic inversely I could discount the West Ham and Norwich wins because we were lucky to hang on in both games in the same way that you think we've been unlucky to lose others.

 

[blade too long]

Highfield as I said before, I admire your optimism, but I can't see that our performances will improve enough to win enough games to get out of this. We'll hopefully improve to become competitive, maybe get to around 20 points, but beyond that I can't see any possibility of staying up, unless we are able to sign two players that have a similar impact that Glynn Hodges did in 1991 but by the end of December when the window is about to open we could well be on about 5 points, we may have more granted, but by then everyone else will be on much more also, possibly with West Brom as an exception. They're the only team that I see as worse than us. I don't think its doom and gloom for fans to predict we'll be relegated, sorry mate. I just hope we refrain from over the top comments on here, ultra critical etc. I hope Wilder stays also, that seems a realistic hope even where we are now, but even Wilder must be totally drained from this.

Again Glynn Hodges only played in 12 games that season it was also other players turning round their previously woeful form , in a way some argue can't or won't happen . But it did

 

[BettingBlade]

I dont see how last season has any bearing on our aim to finish 17th this season
The last few results of last season are irrelevant

Ah okay so the poor performances last season aren’t relevant, but the good ones that happened in a completely different setting with full stadiums and a team high in confidence are?

You’re contradicting yourself on every post.

 

[blade too long]

If we aspiring to Hull levels of footballing competence how many points did they have after 12 games when they got to 35 points? I can guarantee it was more than 1.

I get it, you don't think we're down until we're mathematically down. Just don't question why others don't share your opinion all the time. In my view barring a miracle, we're down. If you don't like it that's up to you, nothing I've seen in the last 15 games makes me think otherwise.

If I wanted to use your logic inversely I could discount the West Ham and Norwich wins because we were lucky to hang on in both games in the same way that you think we've been unlucky to lose others.

We could get to game 20 on 1 point and still win 12 games to stay up. Bad runs good runs unlucky defeats lucky clinging on wins ...when they occur differs

But the reality is we've played just 12 games
We are not down today we won't be down in a month
We won't be relegated in another 12 games

Only if you believe it's so

 

[Houston_Blade]

We could get to game 20 on 1 point and still win 12 games to stay up. Bad runs good runs unlucky defeats lucky clinging on wins ...when they occur differs

But the reality is we've played just 12 games
We are not down today we won't be down in a month
We won't be relegated in another 12 games

Only if you believe it's so

I am ok with the concept that mathematically we are not yet down. I suppose we'll just have to endure these tedious posts until we are.

 

[JackSUFC]

I dont see how last season has any bearing on our aim to finish 17th this season
The last few results of last season are irrelevant

Because that’s when the rot set in. Lifeless performances playing turgid football. The hangover and mentality from those games carried over into this season and now the players and staff are stuck in a rut, used to losing games.

Besides, by that same logic, if previous seasons’ results are irrelevant then, how can anyone say the current management are the best for the job?

 

[blade too long]

Ah okay so the poor performances last season aren’t relevant, but the good ones that happened in a completely different setting with full stadiums and a team high in confidence are?

You’re contradicting yourself on every post.

No they aren't relevant
In the same way the good results aren't
That was then

Now it's 12 games in a 38 game season
26 to play .
We just need to reverse these numbers
If we go on a run of 11 wins and 1 draw
in the next 12 it won't guarantee safety in the final 14

But that's football

 

[blade too long]

I am ok with the concept that mathematically we are not yet down. I suppose we'll just have to endure these tedious posts until we are.

I had to endure 6 years of tedious posts on how bad we were before CW came

 

[Revolution]

Nobody at all has said this so again stop talking shit!

A number of people have said this. Blade too long has said it today in this thread!

you clappers need to coordinate your arguments better.

 

[Stegosaurus]

Just block him, i have

Hi, Stegosaurus here

If you block me, you have a small weiner.

Reply to this message if you disagree

 

[Houston_Blade]

I had to endure 6 years of tedious posts on how bad we were before CW came

At least we know that you're only posting out of revenge and spite for these 6 years you had to endure, it makes more sense than if you were actually posting seriously.

 

[Booker4]

Again Glynn Hodges only played in 12 games that season it was also other players turning round their previously woeful form , in a way some argue can't or won't happen . But it did

We had Brian Deane then which certainly and the service was much better than what we have produced this season, although we've also been guilty of woeful misses which has eroded our confidence and form. I can't see a way out but if we can pick up a few results between now and January then we'll have some glimmar of hope. It will also depend on who we can bring in of course. I'd love to see a way out, currently I can't, largely because our midfield doesn't look capable as it did last season, even though Berge is playing well, Fleck and Norwood are just unrecognisable. Our defence also is no longer solid, that was the key to last season's success. We put ten men behind the ball and yet still teams find it easy to break us down, or hit us on the counter and we look very vulnerable then, even last season that was the case, but we minimised it because we were often 1 - 0 in games as we frequently scored before the opposition, and as Wilder always states, that's a game changer.

I think McBurnie is crucial for survival but he's got to be more clinical and also he needs a consistent partner, something we've failed to do thus far.

 

[blade too long]

At least we know that you're only posting out of revenge and spite for these 6 years you had to endure, it makes more sense than if you were actually posting seriously.

Look I can see we are low on belief which is making previously capable player look shite. But I think we've all seen enough of our squad to know there is enough quality within them to get back to winning ways .
Might be too late but seasons never pan out the same . We could go on a good winning run but it might not be enough

Pessimists last season saw us still highly capable of snatching relegation from a seemingly safe spot

Surely I can use mathematical possibility we can stay up this season in a contrary fashion on behalf of the believers

 

[Selly]

You can't know if a McGoldrick shot going 5 yards wide won't get deflected in v man utd

Au contrair mon capitan…

I can absolutely guarantee you that this wont happen? How I hear you ask? Because in order for that to happen a number of other things need to happen first:

1) We'd need to get the ball
2) We'd need to keep the ball longer than 5 seconds
3) We'd need to get the ball into the final 3rd
4) We'd need to get the ball to McG in the box
5) He'd have to take a shot
6) Our luck would need to change

Of those, number 6 is the most likely. We can't do numbers 1-3 at the moment on any sort of consistent basis.

And that's before we acknowledge that in order for 1-6 to even be relevant, we'd need to learn how to defend properly so that the only goal we need.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Look I can see we are low on belief which is making previously capable player look shite. But I think we've all seen enough of our squad to know there is enough quality within them to get back to winning ways .
Might be too late but seasons never pan out the same . We could go on a good winning run but it might not be enough

Pessimists last season saw us still highly capable of snatching relegation from a seemingly safe spot

Surely I can use mathematical possibility we can stay up this season in a contrary fashion on behalf of the believers

You crack on, I'll just pop up with a realist view from time to time and we can have a debate about it

 

[Stretch]

Brighton and Burnley are must wins.

Never give up, but christ almighty things seriously need to improve, both tactically and in terms of individual performances.

 

[blade too long]

Brighton and Burnley are must wins.

Never give up, but christ almighty things seriously need to improve, both tactically and in terms of individual performances.

I think it would be hard to get much worse
But see how our first win...when it comes changes things

 

[Revolution]

Au contrair mon capitan…

I can absolutely guarantee you that this wont happen? How I hear you ask? Because in order for that to happen a number of other things need to happen first:

1) We'd need to get the ball
2) We'd need to keep the ball longer than 5 seconds
3) We'd need to get the ball into the final 3rd
4) We'd need to get the ball to McG in the box
5) He'd have to take a shot
6) Our luck would need to change

Of those, number 6 is the most likely. We can't do numbers 1-3 at the moment on any sort of consistent basis.

And that's before we acknowledge that in order for 1-6 to even be relevant, we'd need to learn how to defend properly so that the only goal we need.

Also McGoldrick would need to be drawn out of the hat to play this week, which is by no means guaranteed.

 

[N20 Blade]

You are basing it on yesterdays shambles
That 2nd goal killed off a fight back
One wicked deflection stopped us in our tracks.
Bad runs come to an end .
No one saw us beating Forest 3-2 in 1990
after 18 abject performances......

I went to the majority of those 16 games prior to forest and there were plenty of decent performances in those games. Yes at times we were outclassed but one attribute all the players had was belief. They knew what they were doing, kept doing it and believed in it. I’d sooner have Bob Booker or Jones in midfield than what we’ve put out over the last few weeks. I’d sooner have Peter duffield coming on like at Villa park than some of the overpriced and overpaid failures I’ve watched this season. Duffield was an incredibly limited player but he never once gave up. Once broke his leg scoring for us. With a few exceptions the present rabble wouldn’t break a nail for the cause. I think poor wilder is in breakdown territory and I’m not surprised, I wonder if he’ll ever come back from this. What I would give for the 1990 Bryson, Deane, Tracey, Agana, Hill, Morris, etc. now. Proper blades who always gave 100%.

 

[blade too long]

I went to the majority of those 16 games prior to forest and there were plenty of decent performances in those games. Yes at times we were outclassed but one attribute all the players had was belief. They knew what they were doing, kept doing it and believed in it. I’d sooner have Bob Booker or Jones in midfield than what we’ve put out over the last few weeks. I’d sooner have Peter duffield coming on like at Villa park than some of the overpriced and overpaid failures I’ve watched this season. Duffield was an incredibly limited player but he never once gave up. Once broke his leg scoring for us. With a few exceptions the present rabble wouldn’t break a nail for the cause. I think poor wilder is in breakdown territory and I’m not surprised, I wonder if he’ll ever come back from this. What I would give for the 1990 Bryson, Deane, Tracey, Agana, Hill, Morris, etc. now. Proper blades who always gave 100%.

I think its harsh saying we don't give 100 per cent . Would like to see that 1990 team trying to cope with today's Liverpool and man city