Let’s give the manager a break

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Yes I bet some of you are surprised I created that thread title?! Despite my outspoken criticism of the manager’s approach and tactics I have always tried to be respectful with it in questioning his skills rather than his character and integrity. Unfortunately some like to make it personal and slag him off for the latter which I believe to be unfair. I am not suggesting that I have had a change of heart because I still feel KB could have achieved more up to now, despite the apparent problems which I fully acknowledge we have.

What has disturbed me a little over the last few weeks is the way that a section of our support seems to want to project vile abuse at the man. I understand people pay their money and have the right to an opinion but there is a way to put this across. Name calling and piss taking should not be on anyone’s agenda. He is the manager of our football club and despite his arguable inefficiencies and errors in judgment, I am confident that he is 100% trying his best. His best may turn out not good enough but nothing suggests to me that he doesn’t want to win and do what’s best for the football club. Anyone suggesting otherwise needs to have a word with themselves!

Yes I think he lacks tactical nous and subtleties which other managers have, but that shouldn’t make him a hate figure. We can criticise and we have every right to because it’s our club, but think of how you put it across. The club supposedly monitors this website and what do you think his friends and colleagues at the club think when they see vile insulting remarks aimed at him? It doesn’t reflect well on what I have always considered to be the best supporters in football. Our fans have always been honest and a good laugh. I feel when we are disappointed with the way things are going some supporters shoot their mouth off without thinking and let themselves down. I know I probably have before but thankfully I have at least a little tact.

As has been muttered by the delightfully named “happy-clappers” recently, the team and the manager need our support now more than ever and I have come to recognise that. Yes, the football is crap but when has it ever been brilliant at the lane?! For any living memories of such a thing we’re talking Currie and Woodward! No, we can’t win for shit away from home and I detest the fact , but are we going to improve any quicker by barracking the team and manager. Definitely not!

Quite frankly I am tired of voicing my frustration because I know that even if I say “the manager needs to go” or “Signing another loan player is a waste of time” it doesn’t matter. None of these things are going to change any time soon because this is the predicament we’re in and we have to live with it for the time being. So the best thing we can do is get behind the team and support the people striving to improve us. We’re talking about people’s livelihoods here, not just our devotion to a team in red and white.

At the end of the day if we don’t like we don’t have to keep buying into it. At the moment I don’t intend to renew my season ticket. My heart wants to keep going but my head says “pick and choose your games.” I may even move seats who knows. The point is you have a choice as a paying customer not to buy into the brand. If you don’t like it and it brings so much misery to you, don’t bother! But if you are going to go I implore you to do something positive and get behind the lads. I can proudly say that no matter how I feel, come 3 o clock on a Saturday afternoon that is something I’ve never failed to do!

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One problem with that Lou for me, what I see as his detestable character and total lack of integrity when talking about the club to the fans adversely affect his ability to manage the football club.

He treats the fans with a degree of contempt which I find staggering. I'm talking about the bull that comes out every time he opens his mouth about dominating games, about how hard done to he is, about the recession, about 'development' players, about the kids, about everything. His signings and tactics have no impact whatsoever and he is ruining football for thousands of Blades, not just hotheads like me on here.

Forget the sales and injuries, he's had a very favourable hand in CCC terms and we are watching turgid, dire football week in week out where a shot on target is jeered scarcastically by fans.

Don't feel sorry for him either because he couldn't give a monkeys about you.
 
Quite ironic that clicking on the 'new posts' tab has

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@micalijo, i strongly agree we need to get on his back, he's shit end of. "Blackwell Out!"

I think the point to this thread is, fair enough, get on his back, but don't make it personal. It was the personal angle that Lou was getting at, it's not needed and very unsavoury.
 
I like to think in all walks of life I'm a fair man.

If someone treats me fairly they earn my respect. If someone is obviously trying their best then "pass or fail" they earn my respect. If a person puts their hands up and says "that was my fault" when things go wrong, they earn my respect. If someone asks for help when they don't know what to do instead of looking for someone else to blame when it all goes wrong, they earn my respect.

I have zero respect for Kevin Blackwell.

Do I feel sorry for him? Absolutely NOT. Lou, you and I have agreed on most things on here but you have gone soft on this one. Having said that I wouldn't resort to personal insults but I can understand why some do!.

BLACKWELL OUT.
 
Don't feel sorry for him either because he couldn't give a monkeys about you.

Micalijo, I am under no illusions that any player of manager gives a damn about supporters. I am not so naive, but that wasn't the point I was making. I don't feel sorry for any manager in the slightest but I'm talking about decency and respect.

I disagree with the suggestion that he has contempt for supporters. I accept your point of view but that suggestion is rubbish as far as I'm concerned and I haven't seen or heard any evidence of it. Self pity (as bad as that may be) does not qualify as contempt for supporters.
 
I agree, I hear Chengdu's lovely this time of year.

He's worked very hard so yes lets give the manager a break, a very long one the Chinese 2nd division would be just what he needs!
 
I like to think in all walks of life I'm a fair man.

If someone treats me fairly they earn my respect. If someone is obviously trying their best then "pass or fail" they earn my respect. If a person puts their hands up and says "that was my fault" when things go wrong, they earn my respect. If someone asks for help when they don't know what to do instead of looking for someone else to blame when it all goes wrong, they earn my respect.

I have zero respect for Kevin Blackwell.

Do I feel sorry for him? Absolutely NOT. Lou, you and I have agreed on most things on here but you have gone soft on this one. Having said that I wouldn't resort to personal insults but I can understand why some do!.

BLACKWELL OUT.

I don't doubt that you are a fair man in any criticism you have Torrix and yes we agree on most things. For instance, I agree with you that KB should be doing a lot better and that he is probably not the right man to lead us forward, but that's not what I set out to discuss.

What I'm saying is that personal insults and abuse are not on (we disagree on that) no matter how much the man fails to admit his weaknesses or failings. Most people suffer from an inablility to look at themselves in the mirror and be honest because most of us belive in what we do and wont have anyone tell us otherwise. If he constantly came out and said "its my fault" "I blew it" "I got it wrong" it would give everyone even more ammo to shout him out. You have to remember it's his job. If you made mistakes at work or conducted yourself in a way someone didn't agree with and they hounded you and slagged you off, campaigning to have you out of a job - how would you respond???

I don't feel sorry for him at all, he's very lucky to be doing what he's doing like all players and manager's in the game. But slagging him off and being generally disrespectful to someone who is trying to win football matches is way out of order in my opinion and considering some of the other low lives and charlatans, not just in football but the world - people should have a little perspective.

I don't disagree with the princliple argument about KB, just the way it is put across.
 
Lou - 99% of people reading your post would agree with you.
However there will always be small number of people who derive satisfaction from name calling and personal vilification while hiding behind the anonimity of a forum.
Sociologists have good explanations for this.
 
Some people have the courage of their convictions and if they don't like the man then they say so. Some would even take the revolutionary step of saying the same to his face should they get the opportunity so stop weeping for the man. He's a well paid oaf who bumbles around sucking the life blood from the club with his signings, his team selections and his abject performances.

If you want to get a sociologist to decipher that then feel free, they're a bunch of know nowt twats as well truth be told :eek::fishbowl::eek:

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Lou - 99% of people reading your post would agree with you.
However there will always be small number of people who derive satisfaction from name calling and personal vilification while hiding behind the anonimity of a forum.
Sociologists have good explanations for this.

'Nice one Happy. At least eight pints o' lager talking there.'

Remember that one Pittsburgh? That was you derving satisfaction from name calling and personal vilification. Yes I am a very bitter man!

Ever heard of the phrase practice what you preach?
 
Lou - 99% of people reading your post would agree with you.
However there will always be small number of people who derive satisfaction from name calling and personal vilification while hiding behind the anonimity of a forum.
Sociologists have good explanations for this.

The classic point is people giving it the big 'un on here, but then mysteriously having to "wash their hair" when its McCabe's question and answer session. Makes me laugh.

If you want him out get in the car park, if you don't don't. Just don't post the same bloody poll on here :mad::mad::mad:
 

'Let’s give the manager a break'

Can't believe no-one's offered to make it his neck?
 
The classic point is people giving it the big 'un on here, but then mysteriously having to "wash their hair" when its McCabe's question and answer session. Makes me laugh.

If you want him out get in the car park, if you don't don't. Just don't post the same bloody poll on here :mad::mad::mad:

Agreed. I feel personally we could still have done a lot better this season. But I am with you on the "put up or shut up" view.

Seems pointless to me berating him when you wouldn't be rude enough to say it to his face. There is nothing wrong with criticism or an opinion whatever it may be, but protesting with such ferosity is a waste of time when all you're going to do about it is post angry messages on a forum.
 
Your sentiments are honourable Lou but there comes a time when some people get to the stage where they've had enough. KB has done very little to endear himself to the fans since that fateful day at Wembley IMHO. The PERCEPTION is that he lies to us, or at best changes his message regularly. He said we were going to concentrate on quality rather than quantity with the emphasis on young, upcoming players. Then signs Glenn Little, Richard Cresswell and Henri Camara. Good signings IMHO but certainly not young or up and coming.

He then complains about the injuries when on a bad run. Then, not 3 weeks ago after a couple of decent results, states that injuries can not be used as an excuse and we must "get on with it". The injury excuse has been trawled out on more than one occasion since, however.

The perception again is that he hides when things aren't going too well. On a number of occasions after a defeat, he has sent Ellis or Speed out to face the press yet I can't think of many times they have answered questions after a win. His outburst the other week on Radio Sheffield also gave evidence to those who claim he has "lost it".

In my opinion, he worked for old Neil for 17 odd years and therefore was bound to pick up many of his traits. The difference is, whereas our Neil was/is a fan and many of his rants were either amusing/straight from the heart or both, KB's outpourings don't come across that way. They appear to be more a way of him blaming anyone/anything but himself. And when he blames the players, HIS players for not being good enough, he is on very dodgy ground.

Not defending those who choose to personally insult him but trying to offer some explanation as to why they do. Just my two penn'arth.
 
Your sentiments are honourable Lou but there comes a time when some people get to the stage where they've had enough. KB has done very little to endear himself to the fans since that fateful day at Wembley IMHO. The PERCEPTION is that he lies to us, or at best changes his message regularly. He said we were going to concentrate on quality rather than quantity with the emphasis on young, upcoming players. Then signs Glenn Little, Richard Cresswell and Henri Camara. Good signings IMHO but certainly not young or up and coming.

He then complains about the injuries when on a bad run. Then, not 3 weeks ago after a couple of decent results, states that injuries can not be used as an excuse and we must "get on with it". The injury excuse has been trawled out on more than one occasion since, however.

The perception again is that he hides when things aren't going too well. On a number of occasions after a defeat, he has sent Ellis or Speed out to face the press yet I can't think of many times they have answered questions after a win. His outburst the other week on Radio Sheffield also gave evidence to those who claim he has "lost it".

In my opinion, he worked for old Neil for 17 odd years and therefore was bound to pick up many of his traits. The difference is, whereas our Neil was/is a fan and many of his rants were either amusing/straight from the heart or both, KB's outpourings don't come across that way. They appear to be more a way of him blaming anyone/anything but himself. And when he blames the players, HIS players for not being good enough, he is on very dodgy ground.


Not defending those who choose to personally insult him but trying to offer some explanation as to why they do. Just my two penn'arth.

The comments in bold are what I see as an example of what we should be doing when forming criticism. What you said there is thought out and well justified without being abusive.

I think some people though, are misunderstanding where I'm coming from. I've supported United for 20 years (since being a nipper), not as long as some but still a long time. In that time I have had all the same frustrations and let downs everyone else has had. I'm sick to the back teeth with our club being second rate, fed up of it. So much so that it has got to the point where I'm questioning my investment in a season ticket from now on. I am as sick of it all as the next Blade...............

But that doesn't give anyone the right make slanderous comments about someone who is trying their best. As I said earlier, if it happened to any one of us at work we wouldn't like it. It doesnt matter who you are or how much you get paid, all decent human beings have a right to be treated as such. My argument is for the manager to be criticised in the right and proper way and not referred to as "shite" or "clueless" or as a "liar" because none of those comments are either fair or accurate.

Does he lose his bottle? yes probably. Does he make poor tactical decisions? yes, quite often IMO. But to questions the man's integrity and intentions is wildly inaccurate IMHO. It also shows lack of decency towards another person who wants the best for himself and the club.
 
The comments in bold are what I see as an example of what we should be doing when forming criticism. What you said there is thought out and well justified without being abusive.

The problem is though Lou, football is an emotional game. Even I have found myself hurling the odd "you useless pr....." when Monty plays yet another perfect pass to either the opposition or my parents at the back of the south stand:rolleyes:

Fortunately or not, the interweb gives people a platform to air their views in a relatively uncontrolled environment. Consequently, they are able to either say it exactly as they see it or vent their spleen at whoever they wish in whatever way they wish (on the whole). And they do. One person will say "thanks Kev, you've taken us as far as you can go, I wish you well" and another will say "fuck off Blackwell you tw@t!!"

That's just the way it is. Emotions run high, especially when expectations are not being met and the football forum gives people the outlet to show those emotions in a relatively safe way.

The concern for me is how many are saying "thanks Kev", or words to that effect;) as opposed to "keep up the good work, Kev". Either way, that's not good for SUFC:(
 
It also shows lack of decency towards another person who wants the best for himself and the club.

I applaud you for trying to de-polarise the argument Lou, and I think there is a lot of truth in your final statement above. I dont think Blackie is the best manager in the league, I dont think he is particularly eloquent, he may not be that likeable as a person, I have no idea. But some (a lot) of the vilification he has received here is really unwarranted.

I believe he is trying his best for the club, and although the likelyhood is that we might come up a few points short, (We'll see. P-o-F May 22nd btw...), he is nowhere near the worst manager we have had, nor is he responsible for all the ill fortune that has sapped that vitality out of the season. Even if we do finish without the play-offs, he has managed to keep us in the top 8 or so despite all the upheaval and player changes, and that has taken a lot of doing in my view.

The key decisions at the end of the season are not in the Managers office but in the boardroom, starting with player recruitment policy. When I see Southgate for Blades, my stomache turns. Another highly regarded friggin know-nowt, done-nowt, who will achieve sod all above what the guy in charge today could achieve given the tools for the job.

How many times do you have to see clubs hiring 'the messiah' and sacking him 12-18 months later for being 'shit' to realise that it doesn't work? I still laugh at the Charlton fans who declared 'Curbishley out', because in finishing 10th in the PL, he had 'taken them as far as he could'. How right were they. Not just as far as he could take them, but as far as anyone could.

What I find really disappointing is the way that people go over every friggin word that James Shields or other know-nowt journalist attributes to Kevin. Feck me, you lot need to lighten up. You behave like a jealous wife, looking for subtleties and nuances, picking up on choices of words and declaring it to be lies or indications of cluelessness. Maybe we should pick over every one of your conversations for slight inaccuracies or inconsistancies, see how you feel...
 
I'm with you on this one Lou. I think the name calling and abusive is uneccessary. I am a big critic of Blackwell (most on the forum know this) but I never result to name calling. I have no interesting in calling him fat, an idiot, wanker etc. I might drop the odd numpty or clown statement in there (which is naughty and a touch hypocritical I know) but it is meant to be taken in good spirits. It is also a reflection of his management style and the way he is constantly trying to find excuses etc.

I can understand why some people result to name calling, but personally I feel that it detracts from the argument. Imagine arguing face to face. If you call someone a cunt, then you've immediate lost the argument. I feel it is better to be constrtucive. I'll point out flaws in Blackwells management style, man management, etc etc but what do I get out of calling him a fat, souther twat? Nothing. Except it offends other posters and also means that people are less likely to take my opinion seriously.

I'm not getting on my high horse about this and if others want to call him a dickhead then it is up to them. I feel frustrated as hell and thinking that Blackwell is sucking the life out of our club and hence understand if people dislike him. I think Torrix hits the nail on the head for me (and you also Lou) when he says he has zero respect for KB, doesn't feel sorry for him, but at the same time will not resort to personal insults.

(Oh and if our tubby Kevvy pulls off a win tonight, i'll put my arms around his big belly and give him a big kissy!!?? :p :confused: :eek:)
 
The problem is though Lou, football is an emotional game. Even I have found myself hurling the odd "you useless pr....." when Monty plays yet another perfect pass to either the opposition or my parents at the back of the south stand:rolleyes:

Fortunately or not, the interweb gives people a platform to air their views in a relatively uncontrolled environment. Consequently, they are able to either say it exactly as they see it or vent their spleen at whoever they wish in whatever way they wish (on the whole). And they do. One person will say "thanks Kev, you've taken us as far as you can go, I wish you well" and another will say "fuck off Blackwell you tw@t!!"

That's just the way it is. Emotions run high, especially when expectations are not being met and the football forum gives people the outlet to show those emotions in a relatively safe way.

The concern for me is how many are saying "thanks Kev", or words to that effect;) as opposed to "keep up the good work, Kev". Either way, that's not good for SUFC:(

Very true some of this but are we forgetting that in civilised society, human beings from all walks of life are expected to demonstrate 'self-control'. I know this is difficult for some people (adults who behave like children); but as Olle said in his post:-

what do I get out of calling him a fat, souther twat? Nothing. Except it offends other posters and also means that people are less likely to take my opinion seriously.

The fact is when people resort to that, people like myself take one look at the post and think 'tosser' before moving swiftly on to someone who has something constructive to say like yourselves. It also suggests to me that the people who make such statements know jack shit about football and think that if someone isnt a winner then that makes them a "fat tosser" "liar" "shit manager".................. :rolleyes:

Lets all applaud those fantastic one line statements that they must sit there thinking long and hard about. Must have taken some real analysis to come up with that.

Having an open forum in an uncontrolled environment does give everyone the right to air their views in a free and open manner. But it also leaves the offensive party open to proper and correct criticism from others who know they are way off the mark and completely out of order.

When people come out with some of the statements I'm talking about it makes me ashamed to be a Blade and I shouldn't have to feel like that about the club I love :mad:
 
A bit harsh.....i don't think he's a good manager but i don't wish him any physical injury!
 
>But some (a lot) of the vilification he has received here is really unwarranted
i couldn't disagree more..
the lack of player planning and the loans shambles
constantly playing players out of position
always sticking with his favourites (quinn, monty and henderson) when out of favour players with 'as-good' performances are allowed to leave (cotterill, howard)
no interest in academy players and their progress
appalling football.. shocking.. entertainment value = 0
churlish and insensitive comments on radio/tv
cause of the current world debt crisis ;-)
cause of the haiti earthquake ;-)
i could go on..
ultimately he has destroyed the soul of the club that colin worked really hard to resurrect.. we have got our own fans fighting in the stands ffs
 
>But some (a lot) of the vilification he has received here is really unwarranted
i couldn't disagree more..
the lack of player planning and the loans shambles
constantly playing players out of position
always sticking with his favourites (quinn, monty and henderson) when out of favour players with 'as-good' performances are allowed to leave (cotterill, howard)
no interest in academy players and their progress
appalling football.. shocking.. entertainment value = 0
churlish and insensitive comments on radio/tv
cause of the current world debt crisis ;-)
cause of the haiti earthquake ;-)
i could go on..
ultimately he has destroyed the soul of the club that colin worked really hard to resurrect.. we have got our own fans fighting in the stands ffs

I agree the latter point is deeply concerning but that's up to them to act like adults. I don't fight with the fella next to me just because the manager's performance is poor :confused:
 
he's split the club in two.. the moaners and the happy clappers.. that is where all of the arguments come from.. oh. and quinn..
 

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