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Not sure how this will paste in, but in amongst the panic of how rubbish we are, this was the League table at this stage last season:

P W D L F A Pts
Tranmere Rovers 8 6 0 2 21 4 20
Notts County 8 5 1 2 15 7 17
Stevenage 8 4 0 4 12 7 16
Milton Keynes Dons 8 4 2 2 11 5 14
Swindon Town 8 4 2 2 13 8 14
Sheffield United 8 3 0 5 11 7 14
Walsall 8 4 2 2 11 11 14
Crawley Town 8 4 3 1 10 13 13
Brentford 8 3 2 3 12 9 12
Carlisle United 8 3 2 3 11 12 12
Preston North End 8 3 3 2 14 9 11
Doncaster Rovers 7 3 2 2 9 6 11
Yeovil Town 8 3 4 1 11 10 10
Leyton Orient 7 3 3 1 8 7 10
Crewe Alexandra 8 2 2 4 8 11 10
Shrewsbury Town 8 2 3 3 11 10 9
AFC Bournemouth 8 1 2 5 10 15 8
Scunthorpe United 8 2 4 2 5 13 8
Oldham Athletic 7 1 3 3 5 8 6
Hartlepool United 7 1 3 3 6 12 6
Portsmouth 8 1 5 2 10 15 5
Colchester United 8 0 4 4 5 12 4
Coventry City 8 0 5 3 7 15 3
Bury 8 0 5 3 6 16 3

And this is this season:

P W D L F A Pts
Leyton Orient 8 8 0 0 23 5 24
Peterborough United 8 6 1 1 19 8 19
Wolverhampton Wanderers 8 6 1 1 15 6 19
Preston North End 8 4 0 4 15 7 16
Rotherham United 8 4 0 4 15 10 16
Bradford City 8 4 1 3 17 7 15
Walsall 8 4 2 2 10 7 14
Milton Keynes Dons 8 3 1 4 11 8 13
Crawley Town 8 3 2 3 15 13 12
Brentford 8 3 2 3 10 12 12
Swindon Town 8 3 3 2 14 11 11
Colchester United 8 2 2 4 8 9 10
Port Vale 8 3 4 1 11 14 10
Shrewsbury Town 8 1 2 5 7 9 8
Carlisle United 8 2 4 2 6 16 8
Oldham Athletic 8 2 5 1 12 14 7
Crewe Alexandra 8 1 4 3 8 18 6
Stevenage 8 1 5 2 6 13 5
Tranmere Rovers 8 1 5 2 9 19 5
Coventry City 8 4 2 2 22 16 4
Bristol City 8 0 4 4 13 19 4
Sheffield United 8 1 6 1 5 13 4
Notts County 8 1 6 1 8 17 4
Gillingham 8 0 5 3 7 15 3

Interesting to note the position of the two automatically promoted teams (who did both change their managers) and also that two of the four play off clubs (including the one that got promoted) were actually outside the play off at this stage.
 



Just noticed slight error in top bit. For some reason it should be W L D not W D L!
 
Bournemouth might have been in a lowly position, but they were still picking up points at twice the rate that we are. Also they had lost only two games compared with our six defeats.
 
Another negative bit is our worst sequence of losing league games is 7 (so only 2 to go!)

It was in 1975-76 when we weren't used to play in a four sided ground (and we were relgated!):

19/08/75 - v Arsenal (H) - L1-3
23/08/75 - v Manchester United (A) - L1-5
26/08/75 - v Everton (A) - L0-3
30/08/75 - v Leeds United (H) - L0-2
06/09/75 - v Liverpool (A) - L0-1
13/09/75 - v Coventry City (H) - L0-1
20/09/75 - v West Ham United (A) - L0-2

We beat Burnley on 23/09 2-1 to end the sequence. There was a 4-2 win in the League Cup at 4th Division Halifax in the middle of it all (Chris Guthrie found his level that night) - I remember being sat in the covered stand at The Shay and getting soaked.

I know this is normally Darrens domain so I will get back to my lunch now!
 
MobileBlade said:
Another negative bit is our worst sequence of losing league games is 7 (so only 2 to go!)

It was in 1975-76 when we weren't used to play in a four sided ground (and we were relgated!):

19/08/75 - v Arsenal (H) - L1-3
23/08/75 - v Manchester United (A) - L1-5
26/08/75 - v Everton (A) - L0-3
30/08/75 - v Leeds United (H) - L0-2
06/09/75 - v Liverpool (A) - L0-1
13/09/75 - v Coventry City (H) - L0-1
20/09/75 - v West Ham United (A) - L0-2

We beat Burnley on 23/09 2-1 to end the sequence. There was a 4-2 win in the League Cup at 4th Division Halifax in the middle of it all (Chris Guthrie found his level that night) - I remember being sat in the covered stand at The Shay and getting soaked.

I know this is normally Darrens domain so I will get back to my lunch now!
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We would already be up to 7 if it wasn't for a fluke equaliser against Colchester.
 
oldblade said:
We would already be up to 7 if it wasn't for a fluke equaliser against Colchester.
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We did lose the next two matches after the Burnley game at which point Ken Furphy was sacked. We prompted followed this up with err a league cup defeat at Hull and then had a league sequence of:
L L L D L L L D L L L D D L L D L L D L D

So going into the game against Aston Villa on 14th February 1976 our League record stood at:
P 28 W1 D7 L20 F18 A55 Pts 9

We were 8 points behind Burnley (Arsenal were 5th bottom at the time with 23 points).

We beat Villa 2-1 before the next 7 games resulted in 2 draws and 5 defeats.

Things are looking positively rosy at the moment.
 
MobileBlade said:
Not sure how this will paste in, but in amongst the panic of how rubbish we are, this was the League table at this stage last season:

P W D L F A Pts
Tranmere Rovers 8 6 0 2 21 4 20
Notts County 8 5 1 2 15 7 17
Stevenage 8 4 0 4 12 7 16
Milton Keynes Dons 8 4 2 2 11 5 14
Swindon Town 8 4 2 2 13 8 14
Sheffield United 8 3 0 5 11 7 14
Walsall 8 4 2 2 11 11 14
Crawley Town 8 4 3 1 10 13 13
Brentford 8 3 2 3 12 9 12
Carlisle United 8 3 2 3 11 12 12
Preston North End 8 3 3 2 14 9 11
Doncaster Rovers 7 3 2 2 9 6 11
Yeovil Town 8 3 4 1 11 10 10
Leyton Orient 7 3 3 1 8 7 10
Crewe Alexandra 8 2 2 4 8 11 10
Shrewsbury Town 8 2 3 3 11 10 9
AFC Bournemouth 8 1 2 5 10 15 8
Scunthorpe United 8 2 4 2 5 13 8
Oldham Athletic 7 1 3 3 5 8 6
Hartlepool United 7 1 3 3 6 12 6
Portsmouth 8 1 5 2 10 15 5
Colchester United 8 0 4 4 5 12 4
Coventry City 8 0 5 3 7 15 3
Bury 8 0 5 3 6 16 3

And this is this season:

P W D L F A Pts
Leyton Orient 8 8 0 0 23 5 24
Peterborough United 8 6 1 1 19 8 19
Wolverhampton Wanderers 8 6 1 1 15 6 19
Preston North End 8 4 0 4 15 7 16
Rotherham United 8 4 0 4 15 10 16
Bradford City 8 4 1 3 17 7 15
Walsall 8 4 2 2 10 7 14
Milton Keynes Dons 8 3 1 4 11 8 13
Crawley Town 8 3 2 3 15 13 12
Brentford 8 3 2 3 10 12 12
Swindon Town 8 3 3 2 14 11 11
Colchester United 8 2 2 4 8 9 10
Port Vale 8 3 4 1 11 14 10
Shrewsbury Town 8 1 2 5 7 9 8
Carlisle United 8 2 4 2 6 16 8
Oldham Athletic 8 2 5 1 12 14 7
Crewe Alexandra 8 1 4 3 8 18 6
Stevenage 8 1 5 2 6 13 5
Tranmere Rovers 8 1 5 2 9 19 5
Coventry City 8 4 2 2 22 16 4
Bristol City 8 0 4 4 13 19 4
Sheffield United 8 1 6 1 5 13 4
Notts County 8 1 6 1 8 17 4
Gillingham 8 0 5 3 7 15 3

Interesting to note the position of the two automatically promoted teams (who did both change their managers) and also that two of the four play off clubs (including the one that got promoted) were actually outside the play off at this stage.
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so what I see here is bournmouth at this point last season had scored twice as many goals and had twice as many points.... then they got a manager in who has previously worked wonders with them and got them promoted......

sooo we need warnock or blackwell back......score loads more goals and then we will be back in the prem in 5 seasons :)
 
botoble said:
then they got a manager in who has previously worked wonders with them and got them promoted......

sooo we need warnock or blackwell back......score loads more goals and then we will be back in the prem in 5 seasons :)
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Ignoring the fact he didn't work wonders or get us promoted with the best squad in the league, if he came back now I'd stop watching us.
 
oldblade said:
Bournemouth might have been in a lowly position, but they were still picking up points at twice the rate that we are. Also they had lost only two games compared with our six defeats.
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Also, Bournemouth were only 9 points off a promotion place, we are already 15 points behind.
Yeovil were 4 points off the play-offs, we are 11 points off them.
Maybe we're right to be panicking about how rubbish we are. Certainly in terms of getting promotion.
 
DazBlade88 said:
And we wouldn't have reached 6 if we hadn't missed an empty net against MK Dons.

Both of our comments are equally irrelevant.
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No they are not. We missed an open goal through our own failings. We had no help from others to do that. You cannot say the same about our equaliser against Colchester.
 
MobileBlade said:
We did lose the next two matches after the Burnley game at which point Ken Furphy was sacked. We prompted followed this up with err a league cup defeat at Hull and then had a league sequence of:
L L L D L L L D L L L D D L L D L L D L D

So going into the game against Aston Villa on 14th February 1976 our League record stood at:
P 28 W1 D7 L20 F18 A55 Pts 9

We were 8 points behind Burnley (Arsenal were 5th bottom at the time with 23 points).

We beat Villa 2-1 before the next 7 games resulted in 2 draws and 5 defeats.

Things are looking positively rosy at the moment.
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Except then we were doing atrociously in the first division, now we are doing slighltly less atrociously in the 3rd division.

I know which I consider worse...
 
oldblade said:
No they are not. We missed an open goal through our own failings. We had no help from others to do that. You cannot say the same about our equaliser against Colchester.
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I see your point, but where do you draw the line with that? We could have had at least 1 penalty against PNE and there was potentially a foul in the build up to their goal (I'm not sure personally on that note by the way), so at what point does it stop being our failings and someone elses?

Mistakes are part of the game, especially at this level. I don't think they should be used as an argument to extend losing/winning runs.
 
DazBlade88 said:
I see your point, but where do you draw the line with that? We could have had at least 1 penalty against PNE and there was potentially a foul in the build up to their goal (I'm not sure personally on that note by the way), so at what point does it stop being our failings and someone elses?

Mistakes are part of the game, especially at this level. I don't think they should be used as an argument to extend losing/winning runs.
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The run has not been extended or diminished. But I think our equaliser against Colchester was very, very fortunate and shows that we do get our fair share of luck. We were lucky to score that day and so are lucky not to be already up to 7 straight defeats.

The fact we miss open goals merely emphasises how poor we are and how we rely on outside help to get a result. At the moment we are incapable of doing it through our own endeavours.
 



Darren said:
Except then we were doing atrociously in the first division, now we are doing slighltly less atrociously in the 3rd division.

I know which I consider worse...
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Time for a most "atrocious team of the last 125 years poll".

Bonus points for seeing the 1933-34 team "in action" and possessing the "I was at the Ayresome Park massacre" flat cap. :)

There was a bonus though, the "Double Porker and chips" on offer at participating cafes to celebrate a two match win over our friends from S6.
 
BladeFisher said:
Time for a most "atrocious team of the last 125 years poll".

Bonus points for seeing the 1933-34 team "in action" and possessing the "I was at the Ayresome Park massacre" flat cap. :)

There was a bonus though, the "Double Porker and chips" on offer at participating cafes to celebrate a two match win over our friends from S6.
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What about the 1890 Pike's Lane Slaughter :-)
 
Darren said:
No Bolton - record defeat 13-0. The Notts County defeat was at the Lane the following season - 9-1, which is our record home defeat.
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Yes but there was controversy in that 13-0 defeat. Their 11th was offside and there was certainly a hint of handball in the lead up to the 8th
There was also an incident in the crowd where two blokes were ejected for not wearing a hat which was mandatory at that time
 
Four of the bottom seven at this stage last year went down.

Having seen most of the games and our complete inability to create chances, we should forget some sort of miraculous transformation to promotion form and try and squeeze out some points to push out of the relegation zone.

I can't say I'm confident because I don't see the evidence of controlling games or creating chances.
 
bladesadviser said:
Yes but there was controversy in that 13-0 defeat. Their 11th was offside and there was certainly a hint of handball in the lead up to the 8th
There was also an incident in the crowd where two blokes were ejected for not wearing a hat which was mandatory at that time
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I thought it was to do with the crossbar being made out of tape. Don't think they had offside then.
 
I've said similar before and i'll say it again. All four clubs that got relegated were in the bottom 7 of the table you have put up. Suddenly doesn't look too good with that stat does it?

It's easy to use statistics to support almost anything.

EDIT - just saw unitedblade made the same point earlier.
 
bladesadviser said:
Yes but there was controversy in that 13-0 defeat. Their 11th was offside and there was certainly a hint of handball in the lead up to the 8th
There was also an incident in the crowd where two blokes were ejected for not wearing a hat which was mandatory at that time
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hats off to them
 
bladesadviser said:
Yes but there was controversy in that 13-0 defeat. Their 11th was offside and there was certainly a hint of handball in the lead up to the 8th
There was also an incident in the crowd where two blokes were ejected for not wearing a hat which was mandatory at that time
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Thanks ,I'd forgotten about the two goals that you mention. The other eleven were just plain damn lucky
 
DazBlade88 said:
Ignoring the fact he didn't work wonders or get us promoted with the best squad in the league, if he came back now I'd stop watching us.
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Clearly missing the point..... Eddie howe worked wonders and came back and got them promoted.

Blackwell took over a team that was heading for trap door under Robson and almost got us plays offs and some say if we had sacked robson earlier we would have probably got play offs (worked wonders in my eyes), and was sacked because of his failure to change the style of play and possibly a lack of progress I dont feel he ever took us hugely backwards but the following managers all did and taking into consideration this was all in the championship.

I at no point mentioned that blackwell ever got us promoted I was saying he could come back like howe did AND THEN get us promoted......

Why would you stop watching the blades if we got a manager in that

a) has more experience
b) had a much higher win record
c) has proved he can come in to a sheffield untied team in free-fall and turn our fortunes round.

He is not ideal but he knows the club worked well under warnock and atleast I feel we would start getting results.

What your trying to say is you'll glady watch weir get us relegated over getting someone in who may be able to get us back on track in the short term.

Are you a great fan of League 2?
 
botoble said:
Clearly missing the point..... Eddie howe worked wonders and came back and got them promoted.

Blackwell took over a team that was heading for trap door under Robson and almost got us plays offs and some say if we had sacked robson earlier we would have probably got play offs (worked wonders in my eyes), and was sacked because of his failure to change the style of play and possibly a lack of progress I dont feel he ever took us hugely backwards but the following managers all did and taking into consideration this was all in the championship.

I at no point mentioned that blackwell ever got us promoted I was saying he could come back like howe did AND THEN get us promoted......

Why would you stop watching the blades if we got a manager in that

a) has more experience
b) had a much higher win record
c) has proved he can come in to a sheffield untied team in free-fall and turn our fortunes round.

He is not ideal but he knows the club worked well under warnock and atleast I feel we would start getting results.

What your trying to say is you'll glady watch weir get us relegated over getting someone in who may be able to get us back on track in the short term.

Are you a great fan of League 2?
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I don't think that anyone is saying that we will gladly watch Weir getting us relegated.
We are all worried about current results.
However, Weir will have to introduce something else to enable his recruits to do what he bought them for.
For me he will have to stiffen up the defensive midfield which is obviously wilting under any kind of pressure.
The return of Miller offers some promise though he isn't a messiah.
Although the table paints a deadly serious picture it isn't terminal at this stage, but the cut off point for launching a bid for the playoffs is getting perilously nearer.
 



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