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The thick Alan's can't decipher the difference between a Knife or a type of Sword.......
Some Alan's are beyond help and fit into the same category that Declan Rice's mother is Anneka, sister is Jasmine and has an Uncle named Ben are Pilaus of the community that's doing the rounds on various platforms 🫣
 
Just been reading about the sentencing of the Sikh who stabbed a young man who was on a night out.

Don't want to demonize Sikhs as never met a bad one yet or anyone who speaks badly of them but I am fixed on this idea of carrying a knife for ceremonial purposes and how that fits in with British law and culture.

What sort of ceremonial event would require someone to carry a knife on a UK high street?

Is this sacrificing our laws to pamper to religious minorities?

Would it be okay for the pagans amongst us to carry a 'ceremonial' axe when nipping to Tescos?
 
Edgar Allan Poo said:
Just been reading about the sentencing of the Sikh who stabbed a young man who was on a night out.

Don't want to demonize Sikhs as never met a bad one yet or anyone who speaks badly of them but I am fixed on this idea of carrying a knife for ceremonial purposes and how that fits in with British law and culture.

What sort of ceremonial event would require someone to carry a knife on a UK high street?

Is this sacrificing our laws to pamper to religious minorities?

Would it be okay for the pagans amongst us to carry a 'ceremonial' axe when nipping to Tescos?
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We used to host Bhangra events at the Student Union I worked at, and every one without fail would end up with the place getting evacuated.

Some of the stuff we used to confiscate at the door was unreal.
 
Edgar Allan Poo said:
Just been reading about the sentencing of the Sikh who stabbed a young man who was on a night out.

Don't want to demonize Sikhs as never met a bad one yet or anyone who speaks badly of them but I am fixed on this idea of carrying a knife for ceremonial purposes and how that fits in with British law and culture.

What sort of ceremonial event would require someone to carry a knife on a UK high street?

Is this sacrificing our laws to pamper to religious minorities?

Would it be okay for the pagans amongst us to carry a 'ceremonial' axe when nipping to Tescos?
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What's happened to that boy is horrific, especially the way the police then appear to have dealt with it.

This outcry over Sikhs carrying these religious knives seems to be slightly missing the point though.

The person who attacked him (and his family as well) is a terrible human being and by the sounds of it would have been carrying a knife whether he was allowed to or not (news report shows he was actually carrying 2 knives). If its used as an offensive weapon, its still illegal. so its not as though they are allowed out using them and getting away with it.

135 to 145 knife-related offences happen in the UK every day, when we end up with gangs of youths coveting to Sikhism in order to carry blades I think they might need to look at the law, but the bigger issue is why young people feel compelled to use knives and also why the police treated the victim in the way they did.

Just as an aside, in response to your pagan comment, I am currently creating a Sheffield based religion if anyone is interested. Only Blades allowed (pig fans can of course convert and repent their sins), we bathe in Hendersons on a weekly basis whilst supping a pint of bitter. In honour of the Sharpe character (we give thanks to Sean Bean) , we are all required to carry heavy cavalry swords and shout bastard at any one French.
 
dexter101 said:
What's happened to that boy is horrific, especially the way the police then appear to have dealt with it.

This outcry over Sikhs carrying these religious knives seems to be slightly missing the point though.

The person who attacked him (and his family as well) is a terrible human being and by the sounds of it would have been carrying a knife whether he was allowed to or not (news report shows he was actually carrying 2 knives). If its used as an offensive weapon, its still illegal. so its not as though they are allowed out using them and getting away with it.

135 to 145 knife-related offences happen in the UK every day, when we end up with gangs of youths coveting to Sikhism in order to carry blades I think they might need to look at the law, but the bigger issue is why young people feel compelled to use knives and also why the police treated the victim in the way they did.

Just as an aside, in response to your pagan comment, I am currently creating a Sheffield based religion if anyone is interested. Only Blades allowed (pig fans can of course convert and repent their sins), we bathe in Hendersons on a weekly basis whilst supping a pint of bitter. In honour of the Sharpe character (we give thanks to Sean Bean) , we are all required to carry heavy cavalry swords and shout bastard at any one French.
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I want to be high and pissed - I mean High Priest!
 



Edgar Allan Poo said:
Just been reading about the sentencing of the Sikh who stabbed a young man who was on a night out.

Don't want to demonize Sikhs as never met a bad one yet or anyone who speaks badly of them but I am fixed on this idea of carrying a knife for ceremonial purposes and how that fits in with British law and culture.

What sort of ceremonial event would require someone to carry a knife on a UK high street?

Is this sacrificing our laws to pamper to religious minorities?

Would it be okay for the pagans amongst us to carry a 'ceremonial' axe when nipping to Tescos?
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Please feel free to correct me as these are only my assumptions but hasn’t this been permitted in law for generations for Sikhs…and this is the first instance I’ve ever heard of this happening.

Ultimately, unlike a gun, anybody can carry a knife if they want to as they are freely available for all sorts of legitimate reasons. I could take one to work with me every day and nobody would be any the wiser so laws banning this are only of limited efficacy if somebody is determined to go out and stab somebody. Sounds like the guy was completely deranged.
 
CrookesBlade said:
Please feel free to correct me as these are only my assumptions but hasn’t this been permitted in law for generations for Sikhs…and this is the first instance I’ve ever heard of this happening.

Ultimately, unlike a gun, anybody can carry a knife if they want to as they are freely available for all sorts of legitimate reasons. I could take one to work with me every day and nobody would be any the wiser so laws banning this are only of limited efficacy if somebody is determined to go out and stab somebody. Sounds like the guy was completely deranged.
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It's a grey area and difficult to police I appreciate.

Places of education for example. I worked in a College and we were a little uppity about students bringing knives onto campus. Students weren't allowed to take tools outside of workshops outside of class either.
 
CrookesBlade said:
Please feel free to correct me as these are only my assumptions but hasn’t this been permitted in law for generations for Sikhs…and this is the first instance I’ve ever heard of this happening.

Ultimately, unlike a gun, anybody can carry a knife if they want to as they are freely available for all sorts of legitimate reasons. I could take one to work with me every day and nobody would be any the wiser so laws banning this are only of limited efficacy if somebody is determined to go out and stab somebody. Sounds like the guy was completely deranged.
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I don't know about Sikhs, but to reiterate the key point, if carry anything other than a non-locking 3" knife in the UK you have to have a valid reason.

The valid reasons are pretty restricted. You can't just carry any knife.

Camping, fishing, work etc. But if you're a decorator in the pub on a Friday night in your work clothes but the only tool on you is a Kitchen knife in your trouser pocket, as opposed to a Stanley knife in your work backpack with other decorator kit, it becomes harder to justify that its valid reason to carry.
 
At first glance it seems ridiculous that one religion can have special dispensation to carry a decent sized knife. However, my understanding is that as soon as the knife is got out/waved in public, you're in the same boat as anyone else carrying.

There's an argument to say being allowed to carry legally means there's more risk of one being used, but this is the first incident I've seen involving a Sikh stabbing someone with a Kirpan.

Knife crime worries me greatly having seen the increase since I was young, and having a son who's been going out for a few years now.

However, I don't think the Sikh thing is the issue here, it's just that the perpetrator (and maybe his mother) are dangerous people and the police dropped a major bollock in their handling, fuelling a belief system already growing amongst part of the population.

As for Capt Blade, my Norwich mate used to refer to him as Mr Swordy.
 
JOEYDEE said:
If these knives are meant to be 'ceremonial ',can they not just carry ones made of,say,paper mache or soft rubber ?
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The handful of Sikhs I know where a necklace with a small knife attached, probably only good for cleaning your finger nails with. I think the scumbag had a necklace and then a big one that he doesnt need to carry at all.
 
Davalon said:
At first glance it seems ridiculous that one religion can have special dispensation to carry a decent sized knife. However, my understanding is that as soon as the knife is got out/waved in public, you're in the same boat as anyone else carrying.

There's an argument to say being allowed to carry legally means there's more risk of one being used, but this is the first incident I've seen involving a Sikh stabbing someone with a Kirpan.

Knife crime worries me greatly having seen the increase since I was young, and having a son who's been going out for a few years now.

However, I don't think the Sikh thing is the issue here, it's just that the perpetrator (and maybe his mother) are dangerous people and the police dropped a major bollock in their handling, fuelling a belief system already growing amongst part of the population.

As for Capt Blade, my Norwich mate used to refer to him as Mr Swordy.
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I do believe I like that better.
 
Edgar Allan Poo said:
Just been reading about the sentencing of the Sikh who stabbed a young man who was on a night out.

Don't want to demonize Sikhs as never met a bad one yet or anyone who speaks badly of them but I am fixed on this idea of carrying a knife for ceremonial purposes and how that fits in with British law and culture.

What sort of ceremonial event would require someone to carry a knife on a UK high street?

Is this sacrificing our laws to pamper to religious minorities?

Would it be okay for the pagans amongst us to carry a 'ceremonial' axe when nipping to Tescos?
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It’s fully legal to carry a Skean-Dhu in the UK as long as it’s tucked into your ceremonial sock.
Of course any self-respecting Scotsman would much prefer to knock out an upperty Englishman’s teeth than sully the ceremonial blade.
 
Pittsburg Blade said:
It’s fully legal to carry a Skean-Dhu in the UK as long as it’s tucked into your ceremonial sock.
Of course any self-respecting Scotsman would much prefer to knock out an upperty Englishman’s teeth than sully the ceremonial blade.
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I would imagine that would be handy particularly if the uppity Englishman was getting the better of you.
 



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