Kieron Freeman - Hero or Villian?

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Iceybabey said:
Ive seen the players celebrate numerous times this season. This may suggest Wilder doesn't give a shit. May even encourage it.
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Went to a private function with him preseason, at which, he said, the commitment and passion he required would be tempered with discipline, but may see an increase in cards. Said he'd take responsibility for that, but he wanted that level of commitment from his players.
 
GreasyChipBeattie said:
The solution might be to get the supporters to refrain from celebrating too much?
If we just politely clapped with the occasional nod in the direction of the scorer, they would be less inclined to interact with the supporters.
Maybe some of us could not celebrate at all and instead focus on knitting new half and half scarves for the opposition supporters or summat?
F******g ridiculous 'rule'
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We could always put fences up?
 
Stupid rule, but It's a rule nonetheless.

He gets a yellow card, and these add up to a suspension. If he loses his place due to suspension and can't get it back then that will be punishment enough without any need of intervention from the manager.

Would I be going nuts in the crowd...oh yes!
 
Baxters left nostril said:
The fa should get a grip and fuck the stupid rule off.
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Agreed
It has to be (along with taking your shirt off) the daftest rule the authorities have ever dreamt up. It's about goals and passion. Can you ever imagine fans just clapping a goal and the players just shaking each other's hands as they jog back into there own half?
FFS this is supposed to be the greatest game in the world. It's football not a game of fuckin scrabble
 
Geordie Blade said:
Tricky one, because the one thing that we all want from referees is consistency. Handing 'common sense' over to them is just asking for different interpretations and that will eventually sting us. Can you imagine a rule stating:

"A player who removes his jersey after scoring a goal will be cautioned for unsporting behaviour, unless it was (i) a local derby, a derby being defined as a match between two teams whose home grounds are situated within ten miles of each other, (ii) a powerful shot from outside the area, (iii) an important, potentially result-changing goal in the final five minutes, or (iv) a tribute to a recently-deceased friend or relative, in which case no action should be taken".

Likewise, how would you define common sense when it comes to celebrating with the fans: A polite ruffle of the ballboy's hair? Sticking your head into the front row (a la Freeman on Sunday)? Leaping into row D and snogging anyone within touching distance? My view is that celebrating with your own fans ought to be OK, but goading the opposition fans is a no-no. Either way, the definitions would be open to interpretation.

I just can't see how the FA could apply common sense and make it consistent across matches.
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So what your saying is when Evans celebrated the way he did that night, it was just a yellow card offence, that seems much more appropriate.
 
Barney said:
Disciplining him would only make it worse, and in my opinion it shouldn't be a rule. But while ever it is a rule, the player should know better, save all the aggro and just not do it.
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Ageee, Yes the rule is stupid, just like the booking for taking a shirt off, but everyone knows the rule so don't do it.
 
GreasyChipBeattie said:
The solution might be to get the supporters to refrain from celebrating too much?
If we just politely clapped with the occasional nod in the direction of the scorer, they would be less inclined to interact with the supporters.
Maybe some of us could not celebrate at all and instead focus on knitting new half and half scarves for the opposition supporters or summat?
F******g ridiculous 'rule'
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For away games maybe the first ten rows should only be sold to John Street season ticket holders? Voila!



Though thinking about it, a player leaping towards them shouting may startle them.
 
itsinyerblood said:
I think a dainty courtesy would suffice
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A few years ago, we played Norwich at home on a freezing winters' day. Norwich scored in the kop end, were overdoing the celebrations a bit and our fans reacted accordingly - including a bottle being thrown in their general direction. Later they scored again (think it was 1-3 to them at the end - can't be arsed to look it up) and Dean Ashton - in an obvious but funny piss-take - ostentaciously gave a slight bow and a handshake to his team-mate.
 

grafikhaus said:
A few years ago, we played Norwich at home on a freezing winters' day. Norwich scored in the kop end, were overdoing the celebrations a bit and our fans reacted accordingly - including a bottle being thrown in their general direction. Later they scored again (think it was 1-3 to them at the end - can't be arsed to look it up) and Dean Ashton - in an obvious but funny piss-take - ostentaciously gave a slight bow and a handshake to his team-mate.
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Boxing Day 2005,and yes it was freezing
 
Apparently he spotted a pokemon in the crowd and was after catching it….



In all seriousness though, it’s not a rule I like but it is in the rules so the ref has to book him. No need for disciplinary action though. It’s nice to see some passion and emotion. Perhaps a quiet word in his ear not to make a habit of it as we can’t afford to keep totting bookings up followed by a well done for his contribution would suffice.
 
Dnblade said:
A bit like the 2 United fans holding a coffee when Freeman scores...you can just see them on the TV clip after he scored...just looked at each other and hardly moved,while everyone else is going mental.
Can't blame Freeman,I'd have done the same...Football is over sanatised as it is.
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Reminds me of when Peschisolido scored the winner against Palace in the League Cup Quarter Final in the Triple Assault Season. My mate (for some reason) was stood on his chair at the back of the kop with a hot dog in each hand. When the goal went in, he jumped in celebration, the seat folded under him and he fell ass first into a folded in half position inside his seat. All the while keeping his two hands straight up in the air to preserve the hot dogs.
 
I think yellow cards for celebrations should be given at the refs discretion, only when it is considered to be winding up the opposition fans.
Bookings for taking off your shirt are stupid.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
Apparently he spotted a pokemon in the crowd and was after catching it….



In all seriousness though, it’s not a rule I like but it is in the rules so the ref has to book him. No need for disciplinary action though. It’s nice to see some passion and emotion. Perhaps a quiet word in his ear not to make a habit of it as we can’t afford to keep totting bookings up followed by a well done for his contribution would suffice.
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I once fell into a ditch whilst carrying a pint. At least three feet deep and totally unexpected. Didn't spill a drop.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
Apparently he spotted a pokemon in the crowd and was after catching it….



In all seriousness though, it’s not a rule I like but it is in the rules so the ref has to book him. No need for disciplinary action though. It’s nice to see some passion and emotion. Perhaps a quiet word in his ear not to make a habit of it as we can’t afford to keep totting bookings up followed by a well done for his contribution would suffice.
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Or just say nothing on the basis he's a grown man and will be aware of the consequences of his actions.
 
Sean Thornton said:
For away games maybe the first ten rows should only be sold to John Street season ticket holders? Voila!
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As a John Streeter am I no longer able to celebrate like a child, jump over seats and nearly end up on the pitch when we score.
 
Foxy said:
As a John Streeter am I no longer able to celebrate like a child, jump over seats and nearly end up on the pitch when we score.
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That and you'd drop whichever expensive device you're operating at the time. :)
 
Fraggle Blade said:
I think yellow cards for celebrations should be given at the refs discretion, only when it is considered to be winding up the opposition fans.
Bookings for taking off your shirt are stupid.
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Sounds sensible to me. The shirt removal rule was allegedly to ensure sponsors got their money shots. Seems conspiratorial but I can't think of any other reason.
 

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