Keeping Wilder means accepting relegation

[United Aren't Back.]

Hello, Stegosaurus here

It's embarassing--we're gonna finish on single-digit figures.

BUT, I'll say this, Wilder will give us the best chance of getting promoted next year--unless he's lost the locker room.

Do you feel at present that Chris has the locker room?
Does Billy accept his wise words?

 

[Bladeinleeds]

I don’t care if we go down. It was always possible

I do care I’ve had nothing to cheer for fucking months and months and months. Just win a fucking game - just one

 

[Chilttheblade]

That’s a worry for me. The expectation on here seems to be that we’ll go down, then suddenly something would magically switch and we’ll be good again. I’m not convinced we would.

The whole club would have a horrible hangover if we do go down with record low points. Look at the dreadful end to last season carrying into this one for example.

Agree with that, but it if its not just a hangover would you trustWilder to recruit the right players to improve the side? Seems to know what it takes at first division level but not Premiership. May as well get rid and try and find somebody who knows what they are doing

 

[Chris the Blade]

I'd drive Big Sam to Sheffield tonight. At least his team's are well drilled and play with passion. Do it now before it's too late

 

[BladeInIreland]

Can anyone explain why CWAK would be the best managerial team to take us back up after relegation, based on objective fact and reasoning rather than just ‘they deserve it after taking us up in the first place’?

The squad is their squad. They have a proven formula for getting out of the championship. It would take less tweaking to get us back on track than a manager who has to gut the squad to suit their way of playing. To do that they would need player sales which might not happen.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

I’m sorry but both us and Wilder need a freshen up. He needs to get his energy back with a new challenge and we need to get our confidence back. This won’t happen, it would cost far too much to get rid of him but we’re a sinking ship.

 

[Superblades]

I'd drive Big Sam to Sheffield tonight. At least his team's are well drilled and play with passion. Do it now before it's too late

I agree. It wouldn’t be anywhere near as bad as this.

 

[drblade]

HRH backing Wilder to keep us up or get us back up, so hard to see anything changing.

Dreadful performance today. Don’t see where we go from here.

 

[Houston_Blade]

I don't have the ability to predict the future. I can take a guess based on the evidence I have seen thus far.

All PL clubs gets hundreds of applications every time a vacancy comes up.

Most of them from idiots who’ve won the PL with Chesterfield on Champ Manager 2001.

 

[BettingBlade]

HRH backing Wilder to keep us up or get us back up, so hard to see anything changing.

Dreadful performance today. Don’t see where we go from here.

I could understand the logic in that if we weren't turning up to get beat every single week, but he's clearly not going to bother changing anything so we really are accepting relegation in the most embarrassing way possible, which does not sit right with me at all.

 

[Le Cynique]

The squad is their squad. They have a proven formula for getting out of the championship. It would take less tweaking to get us back on track than a manager who has to gut the squad to suit their way of playing. To do that they would need player sales which might not happen.

And they’ll have a proven formula for getting the worst points return ever in the Premier league. Cuts both ways.

Personally I wouldn’t trust Wilder with tuppence with the amount of money he’s squandered on shite, but that’s just me.

 

[robbiez666]

It's hard to believe at this point that another manager would do worse. We're a busted flush. The question is, how much damager will be done to these players before we kick off in the Championship next season? Norwich were poor but they at least played in a way that had a go. Wilder might be the best manager to bring us back up but would he keep us up? That's another question.

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

It actually is becoming more about club pride and reputation. We're going to smash Derby's record which will be a national, and international humiliation in the football world which could scar us for a very long time.

Get a grip. It’s Sheffield United. No one in the wider world either knows the club nor gives a fuck.

 

[BladeInIreland]

And they’ll have a proven formula for getting the worst points return ever in the Premier league. Cuts both ways.

Personally I wouldn’t trust Wilder with tuppence with the amount of money he’s squandered on shite, but that’s just me.

You asked about taking us back up. Not staying up. (Even though they did that aswell)

I think most signings still have a role to play with the biggest expense being berge who seemingly he didn't sign.

 

[FMBlade1]

Get a grip. It’s Sheffield United. No one in the wider world either knows the club or gives a fuck.

It will affect the recruitment of players, and even sponsorship.

Reputation is important.

 

[Yogi]

I mean this very seriously can anyone seriously say that starting 11 stays in the prem? We’re at a point where our throw of the dice was to start jags and billy. Jags shouldn’t start for a champ side I’m not knocking him as a player or even his effort levels but simply put the game just moves too fast for him now. No manager with that side today gets 3 points.

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

It will affect the recruitment of players, and even sponsorship.

Reputation is important.

I can’t see hw recruitment can get any worse. Anyway, players are whores, pay them and they’ll come.

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

We’re 6 points away from safety, plenty to play for. We don’t have the players at the moment to play last years system, so either change the system, or change the manager.

 

[Le Cynique]

You asked about taking us back up. Not staying up. (Even though they did that aswell)

I think most signings still have a role to play with the biggest expense being berge who seemingly he didn't sign.

I did, and I disagree that they’re certain to take us straight back up again after a record-breakingly poor season. They have to change tactically, instil belief in the players and put a decent run together, and I just can’t see that happening in either division. It’s not like the Championship is easy to get promoted from.

 

[MoSF94]

If we sack Wilder, we'll most likely do down anyway, and then spend another decade plus outside the PL. If we stick with Wilder, through his roughest patch, we'll give ourselves the best chance to go back up if/when we get relegated. I'd give Wilder to January 2022 minimum

 

[Stegosaurus]

Do you feel at present that Chris has the locker room?
Does Billy accept his wise words?

Hi Stegosaurus here

I don't know. I think last season's performance deluded the fans, Wilder and the players into thinking they were premier league level when many of them clearly aren't and that has led to a lack of effort, lack of hunger and lack of desire. The team seemed to have grew complacent and Wilder grew complacent--which is why he signed for depth rather than improve the first team in the summer.

It may have been better for us to have finished 4th from the bottom last season.

 

[HeySethUTB]

This stinks of insanity brought on by the illusion of stability.

In league one we got off to a terrible start, Wilder had to change tactics because he had no reputation to defend himself with, if he had not done this he would have been sacked. Now he seemingly doesn’t have to change anything because he has a reputation. It’s fucking defeatist to accept this dross based on what he used to be like some on here sound like delusional Wendy’s. Happy to accept relegation FFS. What makes anyone think we compete in the championship? This team is no where near as good as the one that come up.

 

[Mario1889]

This season will go in one of two directions.

We will either make a change sooner rather than later and make a fight out of this season.

OR

We will go down with whimper as the worst side in Premier League history on a record low points total.

Going on what the Prince has said today, it looks like he’s going for the latter.

 

[SUFCinks]

i would be upset that hes parted after everything hes done. Having said that hes lost it unfortunately, i would be prepared to roll the dice and get someone new in. I dont know who that is but i dont think its helpful allowing this to continue on the chance we will bounce back up. My opinion is that we arent good enough to bounce back up and could even go the other way.

i am happy to go down if we are attacking teams (like norwich did) and really having a go but watching us smashing aimless hoofs and the current ‘style’ of football is unforgivable. 5 goals all season, worst start, tracking for the least points, least passes in 1 half of football. Hes spent 100m on these players!

 

[Yogi]

We’re 5 points away from safety, plenty to play for. We don’t have the players at the moment to play last years system, so either change the system, or change the manager.

The difficulty is I’m not sure that right now on current form with have an 11 to effectively play any system. We have 2 centre halves who are putting in roughly average performances in Egan and Basham but I’m not sure they even managed that today and I still don’t want to see bash in a 2 at this level. George is solid if not spectacular at right back ok fair enough. Left back is a shambles and despite all protestations to the contrary we should seriously consider recalling RND in jan. In the middle what do we really have? Berge ? Whose performances the last few weeks have been trending downward fleck who’s massively out of sorts and ampadu and Lundstram who if I’m being kind are hot and cold. We have no wide players to play in a 4. Upfront we have young pieces who I’d play in a few combinations to try and find a partnership and two old veterans who again are probably a tick too slow at this level. In short we have recruited to play a certain way and don’t have the flexibility to play outside of it. That said I don’t think the formation is the issue it’s the player right now imo.

 

[nopigfansintown]

This stinks of insanity brought on by the illusion of stability.

In league one we got off to a terrible start, Wilder had to change tactics because he had no reputation to defend himself with, if he had not done this he would have been sacked. Now he seemingly doesn’t have to change anything because he has a reputation. It’s fucking defeatist to accept this dross based on what he used to be like some on here sound like delusional Wendy’s. Happy to accept relegation FFS. What makes anyone think we compete in the championship? This team is no where near as good as the one that come up.

We don't have the players to change the system. Simple as that. The mainly narrow defeats would turn to hammerings.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

I think that much is evident. He won't change the system no matter what, can't seem to get anything (or enough) out of the players he has, and can't recruit well for the PL (similar to Warnock).

There's no shame in that, it is a difficult job and before last season I said how I feared a bloodbath and delightfully I was proven wrong. Though that is last season we need to think here and now.

There are two approaches we can take:

a) Accept relegation and that Wilder is the one to get us back up. Like Farke, Dyche. However this is a bit different as this is a national humiliation and will be difficult to recover from.

b) Make a change. Holloway resigned from Crystal Palace and they stayed up as he realized he wasn't up to it, Crystal Palace also sacked De Boer after a similar run of form, and stayed up.

Ranieri is the best example I can think of that relates to our situation. A club legend for Leicester for obvious reasons, however he was taking them to the second division in his next season before the board intervened.

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If we want to stay up I find it difficult to believe that Wilder is the one to achieve it. However that doesn't mean sacking him is necessarily right for the club.

With that said the board should be considering things carefully, and the mantra of 'not sacking him no matter what' has to be rejected out of hand.

Hope this thread bites me at the end of the match...

I thought we’d all accepted relegation anyway?

 

[Kenworthy’s Tash]

He's simply got to go, we are getting worse by the week.

I think CW himself will be amazed he hasn't already been sacked.

It's still not too late but we have to act now, thank CW for his past efforts and move on. If we act now, a new manager could keep us up.

I am not prepared to simply surrender our premiership status.

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

Wilder‘s head has gone. I have a suspicion that he got a monk on after Berge was signed (I think it’s clear he wasn’t Wilder’s choice) and the rot set in. He needs an intervention.

 

[HeySethUTB]

We don't have the players to change the system. Simple as that. The mainly narrow defeats would turn to hammerings.

Well we better just all lay down and just accept relegation before Christmas. Just like today’s narrow defeat? Never in it. Who is it that makes the decision to sign players based on tactical play? Short sighted.