Keeping Wilder means accepting relegation

[FMBlade1]

I think that much is evident. He won't change the system no matter what, can't seem to get anything (or enough) out of the players he has, and can't recruit well for the PL (similar to Warnock).

There's no shame in that, it is a difficult job and before last season I said how I feared a bloodbath and delightfully I was proven wrong. Though that is last season we need to think here and now.

There are two approaches we can take:

a) Accept relegation and that Wilder is the one to get us back up. Like Farke, Dyche. However this is a bit different as this is a national humiliation and will be difficult to recover from.

b) Make a change. Holloway resigned from Crystal Palace and they stayed up as he realized he wasn't up to it, Crystal Palace also sacked De Boer after a similar run of form, and stayed up.

Ranieri is the best example I can think of that relates to our situation. A club legend for Leicester for obvious reasons, however he was taking them to the second division in his next season before the board intervened.

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If we want to stay up I find it difficult to believe that Wilder is the one to achieve it. However that doesn't mean sacking him is necessarily right for the club.

With that said the board should be considering things carefully, and the mantra of 'not sacking him no matter what' has to be rejected out of hand.

Hope this thread bites me at the end of the match...

 

[Houston_Blade]

I think that much is evident. He won't change the system no matter what, can't seem to get anything (or enough) out of the players he has, and can't recruit well for the PL (similar to Warnock).

There's no shame in that, it is a difficult job and before last season I said how I feared a bloodbath and delightfully I was proven wrong. Though that is last season we need to think here and now.

There are two approaches we can take:

a) Accept relegation and that Wilder is the one to get us back up. Like Farke, Dyche. However this is a bit different as this is a national humiliation and will be difficult to recover from.

b) Make a change. Holloway resigned from Crystal Palace and they stayed up as he realized he wasn't up to it, Crystal Palace also sacked De Boer after a similar run of form, and stayed up.

Ranieri is the best example I can think of that relates to our situation. A club legend for Leicester for obvious reasons, however he was taking them to the second division in his next season before the board intervened.

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If we want to stay up I find it difficult to believe that Wilder is the one to achieve it. However that doesn't mean sacking him is necessarily right for the club.

With that said the board should be considering things carefully, and the mantra of 'not sacking him no matter what' has to be rejected out of hand.

Hope this thread bites me at the end of the match...

If people haven’t accepted relegation by now then they must have been watching something different to me for the first 11 games. We are dire, no manager is going to polish this turd I’m afraid.

 

[BladeInIreland]

Who would you want in FMBlade1 ?

 

[FMBlade1]

If people haven’t accepted relegation by now then they must have been watching something different to me for the first 11 games. We are dire, no manager is going to polish this turd I’m afraid.

We are nearly at the point of no return. The fact that we aren't already is a miracle as other teams are so poor. If we are to make a change, the time is now. A couple of weeks before the window opens.

 

[JackSUFC]

If people haven’t accepted relegation by now then they must have been watching something different to me for the first 11 games. We are dire, no manager is going to polish this turd I’m afraid.

Exactly. No one decent would want to come here right now. No one wants a record breaking relegation on their CV.

I’m at peace with us going down but want to see some fight for the cause. We can’t be this bad all season, surely?

One worry is that this form and mentality lingers into next season with the same management.

 

[FMBlade1]

Who would you want in FMBlade1 ?

That's the millions dollars question. I'll admit I don't have the answer, I don't work in recruitment. We'd get hundreds of applications, who had heard of Southampton's manager when he got the job?

Someone in the club should be able to make an informed decision.

 

[FMBlade1]

Exactly. No one decent would want to come here right now. No one wants a record breaking relegation on their CV.

I’m at peace with us going down but want to see some fight. We can’t be this bad all season, surely?

One thing people always say about Sam Allardyce is that their teams have fight and are well drilled.

I doubt if he was our manager from the start of the season we would have one point from 11 games.

 

[Sharp as a blade]

I'd stick with wilder simply because I can't see anyone else keeping us up.

I'd also like to think we'll be in no danger of relegation from the championship and maybe come back up within 3 years.

However there's no denying that this current season we have been absolutely shocking and Wilder is as much to blame as anyone else.

 

[Superblades]

Hes got 45 mins for me. He’s changed. He’s not the same manager that got us here, that had the fire in him to keep us here. The performances are heartless, there’s no passion, no fighting for each other. That for me is why we need to change and try and get someone in who will get us fighting for each other and competing in games.

 

[FMBlade1]

It actually is becoming more about club pride and reputation. We're going to smash Derby's record which will be a national, and international humiliation in the football world which could scar us for a very long time.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

I don’t want him gone

But He needs to prove he can actually get a result. It’s been fucking months since a we won - this is the worst attempt to stay up the PL has ever seen. We are embarrassing ourselves on a global scale the longer this goes on.

Not even derby were this bad

 

[247Blade]

Seeing what players CWs got im not surprised how we are doing this term .... bad signings wasted money .... no structure has been in place for foreign players so hey ho accept it ... a change in management won't sort this crisis .... scrap the system and experiment.... whats to lose .... after all were getting used to that UTB

 

[Stegosaurus]

Hello, Stegosaurus here

It's embarassing--we're gonna finish on single-digit figures.

BUT, I'll say this, Wilder will give us the best chance of getting promoted next year--unless he's lost the locker room.

 

[BladeInIreland]

That's the millions dollars question. I'll admit I don't have the answer, I don't work in recruitment. We'd get hundreds of applications, who had heard of Southampton's manager when he got the job?

Someone in the club should be able to make an informed decision.

I don't know how you could determine we would be better without any idea who would be next or even the calibre of candidates.

 

[FMBlade1]

I don't know how you could determine we would be better without any idea who would be next or even the calibre of candidates.

I don't have the ability to predict the future. I can take a guess based on the evidence I have seen thus far.

All PL clubs gets hundreds of applications every time a vacancy comes up.

 

[TomHeffernan]

Look at me! Look at me!

 

[Houston_Blade]

We are nearly at the point of no return. The fact that we aren't already is a miracle as other teams are so poor. If we are to make a change, the time is now. A couple of weeks before the window opens.

We’re past the point of no return. This season is about getting 12 points.

There isn’t another manager who I think could do any better than Wilder. He does need to teach the players how to play football again though.

 

[JPSharpy93]

Moving some of our players on could be a challenge, don’t think teams will be queuing up

 

[jono_t2000]

Berge wouldn't get into a championship team today. Can he control a football?

 

[Superblades]

Hello, Stegosaurus here

It's embarassing--we're gonna finish on single-digit figures.

BUT, I'll say this, Wilder will give us the best chance of getting promoted next year--unless he's lost the locker room.

Hi Stegaosaurus

I hope you stick around. One of the best / least annoying trolls we’ve had on here and some decent comments at times.

 

[Gavlar]

I think that much is evident. He won't change the system no matter what, can't seem to get anything (or enough) out of the players he has, and can't recruit well for the PL (similar to Warnock).

There's no shame in that, it is a difficult job and before last season I said how I feared a bloodbath and delightfully I was proven wrong. Though that is last season we need to think here and now.

There are two approaches we can take:

a) Accept relegation and that Wilder is the one to get us back up. Like Farke, Dyche. However this is a bit different as this is a national humiliation and will be difficult to recover from.

b) Make a change. Holloway resigned from Crystal Palace and they stayed up as he realized he wasn't up to it, Crystal Palace also sacked De Boer after a similar run of form, and stayed up.

Ranieri is the best example I can think of that relates to our situation. A club legend for Leicester for obvious reasons, however he was taking them to the second division in his next season before the board intervened.

---

If we want to stay up I find it difficult to believe that Wilder is the one to achieve it. However that doesn't mean sacking him is necessarily right for the club.

With that said the board should be considering things carefully, and the mantra of 'not sacking him no matter what' has to be rejected out of hand.

Hope this thread bites me at the end of the match...

I agree mate. We are down. Wilder and Knill have managed over a period that we will not recover from. Either we dont have the players or we dont have the tactics, or both. It's bloody annoying, but things change quickly in football. Look at Norwich and Bournemouth this season.
We are playing for pride now. UTB

 

[cc1]

I think that much is evident. He won't change the system no matter what, can't seem to get anything (or enough) out of the players he has, and can't recruit well for the PL (similar to Warnock).

There's no shame in that, it is a difficult job and before last season I said how I feared a bloodbath and delightfully I was proven wrong. Though that is last season we need to think here and now.

There are two approaches we can take:

a) Accept relegation and that Wilder is the one to get us back up. Like Farke, Dyche. However this is a bit different as this is a national humiliation and will be difficult to recover from.

b) Make a change. Holloway resigned from Crystal Palace and they stayed up as he realized he wasn't up to it, Crystal Palace also sacked De Boer after a similar run of form, and stayed up.

Ranieri is the best example I can think of that relates to our situation. A club legend for Leicester for obvious reasons, however he was taking them to the second division in his next season before the board intervened.

---

If we want to stay up I find it difficult to believe that Wilder is the one to achieve it. However that doesn't mean sacking him is necessarily right for the club.

With that said the board should be considering things carefully, and the mantra of 'not sacking him no matter what' has to be rejected out of hand.

Hope this thread bites me at the end of the match...

Ffs stop starting threads with the same message you utter fking bore merchant

 

[FMBlade1]

Ffs stop starting threads with the same message you utter fking bore merchant

You are welcome to press the ignore button and not comment on my thread

 

[JackSUFC]

It actually is becoming more about club pride and reputation. We're going to smash Derby's record which will be a national, and international humiliation in the football world which could scar us for a very long time.

That’s a worry for me. The expectation on here seems to be that we’ll go down, then suddenly something would magically switch and we’ll be good again. I’m not convinced we would.

The whole club would have a horrible hangover if we do go down with record low points. Look at the dreadful end to last season carrying into this one for example.

 

[BettingBlade]

Ffs stop starting threads with the same message you utter fking bore merchant

Why don't you tell that to your happy clapper friends.

Only a matter of time before we see another, 'ooooh but remember how bad it was' thread

 

[BladeInIreland]

I don't have the ability to predict the future. I can take a guess based on the evidence I have seen thus far.

All PL clubs gets hundreds of applications every time a vacancy comes up.

Obviously you can't predict the future, but usually people base their opinions on more than believing someone in the club supposedly having a much better idea of candidates who are willing to come here and would do better than Wilder. Which given our history alone we know not to always be the case.

Managers will be looking at us as a championship club.

 

[YES Blade]

We’re past the point of no return. This season is about getting 12 points.

There isn’t another manager who I think could do any better than Wilder. He does need to teach the players how to play football again though.

Take a look at the table, are you seriously telling me that no other manager could do better than 1 point and 5 goals from 12 matches?

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Exactly. No one decent would want to come here right now. No one wants a record breaking relegation on their CV.

I’m at peace with us going down but want to see some fight for the cause. We can’t be this bad all season, surely?

One worry is that this form and mentality lingers into next season with the same management.

Sunderland and Chesterfield had super rapid plummeting in the past few seasons.
Got to be a worry.

 

[Le Cynique]

Can anyone explain why CWAK would be the best managerial team to take us back up after relegation, based on objective fact and reasoning rather than just ‘they deserve it after taking us up in the first place’?

 

[Houston_Blade]

Take a look at the table, are you seriously telling me that no other manager could do better than 1 point and 5 goals from 12 matches?

Name the manager. I can’t think of one I’d rather have. No money, going down, set in a system, poor squad. It’s not just a case of getting a new manager for this season. We’re down. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.