Keepers Standing Still for Penalties

[Whiston Blade]

Interesting question. I sometimes think it's worth the keeper staying on his feet for the penalty. It's takes guts for a keeper to do it, though!

I remember when we played Villa (cup match?) at BDTBL - Villa got a penalty and Dwight Yorke dinked the ball in the air down the middle. Kelly dived to his right and the ball gently looped up and under the bar for a goal. Jammy (but clever) bastard.

For some reason I though it was Savo Milosovic who took the penalty.

 

[Sirius]

Hodgy did make penalty saves one I can remember was at Elland Rd a great save that was where len badger got sent off
in that game and we lost heaverly after taking the lead.len raised his hands in retaliation I think it was Jim storrie he
cracked he was a vile player who fitted into don revie,s team perfectly the incident happened near the centre circle and was
not the reason for the penalty.we had a very young team out that day and the tactics Leeds used was typical of that revie
team one of the reasons I've hated Leeds since.

Not for nothing were Leeds known as the "Dirties". Scum of the football world.

 

[Silent Blade]

For some reason I though it was Savo Milosovic who took the penalty.

He was adjusted to have been fouled leading to the penalty. It was a dive.

 

[HighfieldBlade]

For some reason I though it was Savo Milosovic who took the penalty.

You're not alone. I thought it might've been him too. I think Savo got a lot of stick in that game, don't know if he was playing dirty or what.
Looks like it was Yorke who scored though:
http://www.11v11.com/matches/sheffield-united-v-aston-villa-28-january-1996-217170/

Edit: Just seen Silent Blade's reply.

 

[SouthportBlade]

Interestingly enough Le Tissier (scored 47/48 penalties in his career) did what all coaches advise against and often changed his mind during the run-up right up to striking the ball.

As a right footer, apparently he would always start aiming for his favoured right side. Then if he saw the keeper moving the right way during his run up, right up till he struck the ball he would wrap his foot around the ball and place into the opposite (left corner).

 

[Guesty]

Interestingly enough Le Tissier (scored 47/48 penalties in his career) did what all coaches advise against and often changed his mind during the run-up right up to striking the ball.

As a right footer, apparently he would always start aiming for his favoured right side. Then if he saw the keeper moving the right way during his run up, right up till he struck the ball he would wrap his foot around the ball and place into the opposite (left corner).

I guess he had the level of technique required to pull that off whereas most don't!

I suppose you have to think of penalties as part game theory, part execution. For penalties down the middle, you have to assume that they will hardly ever be off target from a practiced penalty taker, unlike penalties to either corner. On the other hand it's save to assume that if the 'keeper doesn't move, any penalty down the middle will be saved. If a player is known for putting it down the middle he can't do it every time, although it does mean a 'keeper might stand still, making penalties to the corners easier to score. It's all bluff and double bluff.

 

[Mad Mick]

Hodgy did make penalty saves one I can remember was at Elland Rd a great save that was where len badger got sent off
in that game and we lost heaverly after taking the lead.len raised his hands in retaliation I think it was Jim storrie he
cracked he was a vile player who fitted into don revie,s team perfectly the incident happened near the centre circle and was
not the reason for the penalty.we had a very young team out that day and the tactics Leeds used was typical of that revie
team one of the reasons I've hated Leeds since.

Didn't you see the smiley?
It was tongue in cheek. Of course he saved some, but in later years he barely moved for penalties.

 

[Silent Blade]

You're not alone. I thought it might've been him too. I think Savo got a lot of stick in that game, don't know if he was playing dirty or what.
Looks like it was Yorke who scored though:
http://www.11v11.com/matches/sheffield-united-v-aston-villa-28-january-1996-217170/

Edit: Just seen Silent Blade's reply.

There were snowballs thrown to Savo from the Kop. The best moment was late in the game after Hodges came on as sub. He was elbowing and ankle tapping Savo who then protested to the ref. Soon after Hodges was on his own with the ball at his feet so Savo rushed towards him only to be sold a neat dummy, the crowd laughed. Hodges played a one two with a team mate so Savo turned round and tried to clatter him again but Hodges saw it so dragged the ball back quickly and side stepped Savo's charge and there was an even louder cheer from the crowd. Savo then gave up!

 

[Silent Blade]

Peter Duffield never missed a penalty for us at youth, reserves and 1st team matches. Dont know how many in total

 

[1danewhitehouse]

For some reason I though it was Savo Milosovic who took the penalty.

Milosevic won the penalty going over the outstreched dive of Alan Kelly. York socred it with the chip down the middle.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I remember Peter Shilton waiting until the ball was struck to dive in the shootout v Germany in 1990. The result, he just failed to reach every pen.

I do think there is some merit to doing it at least some of the time though. If the pen is down the middle or poorly struck, you have a good chance of saving it.

I also like the Bosnich technique mentioned previously. I regularly did that when I played as a keeper.

 

[Hague Blade]

Shilton was woeful in that shoot-out. He should also have saved the German goal, despite the massive deflection off (ex Blade) Paul Parker - watch it back, and he doesn't get off the ground - a younger, more agile keeper would have had it over the bar.

He screwed up in the third place play-off as well, if memory serves. Tournament too far, I reckon.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Take a look at this video for a keeper most decidedly not standing still during penalties...

4:22 in.

 

[Silent Blade]

Shilton was woeful in that shoot-out. He should also have saved the German goal, despite the massive deflection off (ex Blade) Paul Parker - watch it back, and he doesn't get off the ground - a younger, more agile keeper would have had it over the bar.

He screwed up in the third place play-off as well, if memory serves. Tournament too far, I reckon.

I was hoping that Robson would put in Beasant as sub to replace Shilton at the last minute of injury time just like the Dutch did in the last World Cup

 

[jt64]

I was hoping that Robson would put in Beasant as sub to replace Shilton at the last minute of injury time just like the Dutch did in the last World Cup

just one small problem with that plan

anyhow re: howard and diving, even at our level i would hope there's some basic sort of analytics being done. would be fairly easy to calculate the number of pens that go down the middle (i'm guessing not many), as such he should pick a side, ideally one that might be indicated by exploitable tendencies.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Interestingly enough Le Tissier (scored 47/48 penalties in his career) did what all coaches advise against and often changed his mind during the run-up right up to striking the ball.

As a right footer, apparently he would always start aiming for his favoured right side. Then if he saw the keeper moving the right way during his run up, right up till he struck the ball he would wrap his foot around the ball and place into the opposite (left corner).

47/48 is ridiculous.

(And if he'd been a Blade I can think of or or two posters who'd spend their time here concentrating on and dissecting the one miss, and declaring how crap he was.)

From memory he didn't put them in the corner exactly but he did often/always hit the top half of the net.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I was hoping that Robson would put in Beasant as sub to replace Shilton at the last minute of injury time just like the Dutch did in the last World Cup

And suddenly we're right back on topic bc...I remember watching at the time, and he was getting nowhere near any of them. I read somewhere within the last year that the reason was *he was waiting for them to go down the middle*. Whether this is true, or an excuse long after the fact who knows.

I was also wondering about Beasant at the time - it would have been the eight thing to do - but no-one was ever going to make that call.

I was also ambivalent about wanting to reach the final minus Gazza.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I remember Peter Shilton waiting until the ball was struck to dive in the shootout v Germany in 1990. The result, he just failed to reach every pen.

I do think there is some merit to doing it at least some of the time though. If the pen is down the middle or poorly struck, you have a good chance of saving it.

Posted before I saw this.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I remember Peter Shilton waiting until the ball was struck to dive in the shootout v Germany in 1990. The result, he just failed to reach every pen.

What were the rules at the time though?

 

[Silent Blade]

What were the rules at the time though?

stay on the line, no moving across the line. From 1997 rules allowed keeper to move across line. In the 1997 Charity shield penalty shoot out, Schmeichel continually moved across the line every time while Ed DeGoey didnt

 

[Hodgyman]

Hodgey used to do it all the time, but never saved one.

BLASPHEMY!!!!!

Interestingly enough (or not), I was a goally for 20 some years in amateur football and adopted the stand-still approach most of the time and achieved a 60% + success rate. Hodgyman Junior was coached to do the same and he achieved nearly 70% (clearly a better keeper).
The principle of this method was that penalty takers had to put the ball out of reach of the keeper to score. When the keeper stood up (slightly crouched with knees bent) the keeper had the potential reach of a majority of the goal, whereas guessing one way reduced his coverage by 50% to start with.

The keeper not anticipating and going early also kept the pressure on the penalty taker to make his choice rather than placing the ball easily into the opposite side or middle of the goal. He would then have more pressure on him in trying to ensure that the ball was out of reach looking to place the ball in the corner of the net. That means that there is a more likely chance of shooting wide or over the target.

Obviously, if the penalty taker is very good he should find corners of the net, but it doesn't always happen. Take England's all time high scorer and he misses sometimes when the keeper keeps the pressure on him.

 

[Snowman]

If you take a slightly angled run up it's easier to disguise the direction the ball will go.

Great post by Snowman, but a 50 percent success rate? I thought that only about one in six penalties were saved, on average.

I was bloody good. It was only the fags and booze that screwed my career.

 

[Snowman]

Shilton was woeful in that shoot-out. He should also have saved the German goal, despite the massive deflection off (ex Blade) Paul Parker - watch it back, and he doesn't get off the ground - a younger, more agile keeper would have had it over the bar.

He screwed up in the third place play-off as well, if memory serves. Tournament too far, I reckon.

That is so so right. That was a ridiculous selection of a keeper at the time. He was way past his best by then and his reactions, such as they were, had gone. He just stood and eventually lumbered. I remember being so angry that an England manager was so out of touch with goalkeeping.

 

[BushBlade]

stay on the line, no moving across the line. From 1997 rules allowed keeper to move across line. In the 1997 Charity shield penalty shoot out, Schmeichel continually moved across the line every time while Ed DeGoey didnt

And

That is so so right. That was a ridiculous selection of a keeper at the time. He was way past his best by then and his reactions, such as they were, had gone. He just stood and eventually lumbered. I remember being so angry that an England manager was so out of touch with goalkeeping.

there was no pressure on the Germans taking the penalties because they knew he wouldn't save any.

Edit: sorry Silent, didn't mean to quote you too.

 

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