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Nothing changed in this regard for me-
Davies has looked poor me isn’t pushing Wes for the shirt.

Amissah- untested. So we don’t really know.

But for me we need a keeper that’s better with their feet, it helps hugely in dealing with the press on the defence by opponents and at the moment we simply cannot play the ball back to Wes in those situations and hope to retain the ball.
For me it’s critical in ensuring we progress and also enable us to give players a breather outfield during games and take the pressure off when we are under the cosh a bit.

Any actual suggestions? Anyone heard owt??
 



Wes was stupid yesterday with the Maupay incident.

He tried to make a point which could easily have cost us a goal.

He’s in his area. When Maupay turned his back he could have just jogged to another part of it and launched the ball from there.

It was hard work getting to 1-0. Imagine giving that up because your keeper has got the brains of a rocking horse (TM Dave Bassett!).

He needs to cut out shit like that. He’s already screwed us this month with his stupid decision making vs Bournemouth.

For me, it’s merely reinforcing that to kick on at this level at least, we need a new keeper.
 
Wes was stupid yesterday with the Maupay incident.

He tried to make a point which could easily have cost us a goal.

He’s in his area. When Maupay turned his back he could have just jogged to another part of it and launched the ball from there.

It was hard work getting to 1-0. Imagine giving that up because your keeper has got the brains of a rocking horse (TM Dave Bassett!).

He needs to cut out shit like that. He’s already screwed us this month with his stupid decision making vs Bournemouth.

For me, it’s merely reinforcing that to kick on at this level at least, we need a new keeper.
I agree. He's always good for a highlight reel save like against Liverpool. But consistency is a big issue with him. He's a great number 2, but shouldn't be number 1 at this level.
 
Wes was stupid yesterday with the Maupay incident.

He tried to make a point which could easily have cost us a goal.

He’s in his area. When Maupay turned his back he could have just jogged to another part of it and launched the ball from there.

It was hard work getting to 1-0. Imagine giving that up because your keeper has got the brains of a rocking horse (TM Dave Bassett!).

He needs to cut out shit like that. He’s already screwed us this month with his stupid decision making vs Bournemouth.

For me, it’s merely reinforcing that to kick on at this level at least, we need a new keeper.
Well that's easy enough, we simply have to find a top quality keeper that's never made a mistake in his career so far!
Must be loads of 'em out there.
 
Wes was stupid yesterday with the Maupay incident.

He tried to make a point which could easily have cost us a goal.

He’s in his area. When Maupay turned his back he could have just jogged to another part of it and launched the ball from there.

It was hard work getting to 1-0. Imagine giving that up because your keeper has got the brains of a rocking horse (TM Dave Bassett!).

He needs to cut out shit like that. He’s already screwed us this month with his stupid decision making vs Bournemouth.

For me, it’s merely reinforcing that to kick on at this level at least, we need a new keeper.
maupay was shithousing with wes and should have been warned about it by the ref earlier but i wont criticise wes yes he made one stupid error but hes made some outstanding saves this season most of our outfield players have made a hell of a lot more mistakes than him that have cost us goals
 
Either Cooper at Plymouth or Johannson at Rotherham should be the ones we look to bring in. My preference being Cooper. Wouldn't cost the Earth for either and they would be a genuine number 1 for us for a good few years. Would be a very good investment in January if we could afford it.
 
Must admit he gets ne worried every time the ball is near him, yesterday he was halfway down the pitch most the second half, if Beckham had been playing he would have lobbed him half a dozen times, his kicking is atrocious , and I believe he, let alone us doesn't know where it's going. He makes some good saves admitted, but thats what keepers do, we need someone better imo, then that will welp calm the defence in front of him
 
As mentioned in a previous thread, Wilder always signed Wes as a backup keeper.

Will be one of the first areas we look to strengthen in my honest opinion.

A goalkeeper who is good at commanding his box (especially from crosses and corners) and has good distribution with the ball at their feet
 
Wes was stupid yesterday with the Maupay incident.

He tried to make a point which could easily have cost us a goal.

He’s in his area. When Maupay turned his back he could have just jogged to another part of it and launched the ball from there.

It was hard work getting to 1-0. Imagine giving that up because your keeper has got the brains of a rocking horse (TM Dave Bassett!).

He needs to cut out shit like that. He’s already screwed us this month with his stupid decision making vs Bournemouth.

For me, it’s merely reinforcing that to kick on at this level at least, we need a new keeper.
We don’t really need a PL level keeper though for the odd season here and there. Wes is fine for the Championship, where we’ll be next season. We do need a decent backup though.
 
We don’t really need a PL level keeper though for the odd season here and there. Wes is fine for the Championship, where we’ll be next season. We do need a decent backup though.
That is the sort of ridiculous thinking that's gotten us into this mess. You not on our board are you?

I think that's the first time I've seen someone say they don't want to sign better players than we already have. If we have the option to sign a better player regardless of what position they play in then we should always do it, otherwise we will never evolve the sqaud/club into a regular Premier league one.

Wes is perfectly fine as a back up / cup keeper. Will do a job for 4 or 5 games if needed throughout the season and nothing more, irrespective of what league we end up.

And I'm far from bashing him. He's done a job when he's needed to for us but he's not at the level required to be our no1.
 
That is the sort of ridiculous thinking that's gotten us into this mess. You not on our board are you?

I think that's the first time I've seen someone say they don't want to sign better players than we already have. If we have the option to sign a better player regardless of what position they play in then we should always do it, otherwise we will never evolve the sqaud/club into a regular Premier league one.

Wes is perfectly fine as a back up / cup keeper. Will do a job for 4 or 5 games if needed throughout the season and nothing more, irrespective of what league we end up.

And I'm far from bashing him. He's done a job when he's needed to for us but he's not at the level required to be our no1.
I think we have much bigger priorities with the limited funds that we’ll have than replacing a keeper who has kept us in a lot of matches this season.
 
Must admit he gets ne worried every time the ball is near him, yesterday he was halfway down the pitch most the second half, if Beckham had been playing he would have lobbed him half a dozen times, his kicking is atrocious , and I believe he, let alone us doesn't know where it's going. He makes some good saves admitted, but thats what keepers do, we need someone better imo, then that will welp calm the defence in front of him
During the break in play where Vinny was receiving treatment for the bad tackle, Wilder called Wes over and had a long chat with him.

After that he started playing much more of a sweeper type role further out. The defence then played a much higher line that allowed us to shut down the space between defence, midfield and attack. Brentford didn't really have much pace up front and so a ball over top allowed Wes to sweep.

Whether he is a goalkeeper who can play that sort of role is a different question but it was totally deliberate and instructed, not just Wes going wandering.
 



I think we have much bigger priorities with the limited funds that we’ll have than replacing a keeper who has kept us in a lot of matches this season.
Oh don't get me wrong I agree that it's not number 1 on the list (more 3rd on list of priorities). But if we have the opportunity to get a quality no1 in then we should do.
 
He’s been good under Wilder.

We need to judge all the players again. Take away your favourites the ones you dislike.

I’ve had to do it I was Souza hater #1 and I’ve been proven wrong. Nothing wrong with it just got to be honest about it all.
 
Oh don't get me wrong I agree that it's not number 1 on the list (more 3rd on list of priorities). But if we have the opportunity to get a quality no1 in then we should do.
What we need is a centre forward. Somebody who can hold up the ball and compete against centre backs. It would help Archer who is getting on the ball too far out. After that right and left back...Wes has his issues but as a shot stopper he is excellent. Could be better on crosses.
But then again the club did sign Olsen and he was crap. If we stayed up then we should look to buy but for decent keepers the money will be big.
If we get relegated then we have Wes and can do our homework on who to get.
 
At the moment we are 3 keepers out of contract come the summer with no one (unless a step up if found in the U23s) at the club. Yes Wes is lacking in certain areas of his game however he is also having to get through a lot more workload than most keepers due to the shots on target being conceded. I would definitely be looking to try and tie him down to a new deal with the view of also bringing in another keeper in the summer
 
Oh don't get me wrong I agree that it's not number 1 on the list (more 3rd on list of priorities). But if we have the opportunity to get a quality no1 in then we should do.
That goes without saying really
 
I wonder if Henderson is an option - not getting any game time at the moment and is obviously a Wilder fan (and vice versa)
 
As mentioned in a previous thread, Wilder always signed Wes as a backup keeper.

Will be one of the first areas we look to strengthen in my honest opinion.

A goalkeeper who is good at commanding his box (especially from crosses and corners) and has good distribution with the ball at their feet

Life can be harsh, always thought Wes is a slightly above average Championship keeper.
So in the Championship he's OK, a good keeper.....however in the PL we need to do better.

However I suppose when money is scarce....then altho we do need an upgrade...it's never been a priority.
 
I wonder if Henderson is an option - not getting any game time at the moment and is obviously a Wilder fan (and vice versa)

I thought the same but apparently he's injured, been out a few months at Crystal Palace and is due back early Jan24.
He recently signed a 5 year deal there and I believe the current Palace manager Roy Hodgson does intend to play him, when fit.
 
I constantly read on here that Wes is not a PL goalkeeper , without any explanation as to the standards required in order to meet that description .

It is true that he can’t match the consistently high performances of the likes of Jordan Henderson and Nick Pope which is hardly surprising since they are England’s best two by some distance .

However , if we compare his performances over the season and particularly the last few weeks against those of some other goalkeepers of the top teams in the PL , it tells a different story .

During that same period , the likes of Onana at Man U , Raya at Arsenal and Allison at Liverpool have produced some absolutely shocking performances , the likes of which would have some on here going into meltdown if Wes had been responsible for anything approaching any of them .

The above mentioned have a combined transfer value in excess of £150 million and are all no doubt on wages well in excess of £100 , 000 per week .

As such , the idea that within our budget and wage structure we can easily go out and acquire a significantly better keeper than the one we already have is little more than a pipe dream .

In the meantime , I have no doubt that Wes will continue to make saves such as those against Nunez and Salah , both of which were outstanding by any standards .
 
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I constantly read on here that Wes is not a PL goalkeeper , without any explanation as to the standards required in order to meet that description .

It is true that he can’t match the consistently high performances of the likes of Jordan Henderson and Nick Pope which is hardly surprising since they are England’s best two by some distance .

However , if we compare his performances over the season and particularly the last few weeks against those of some other goalkeepers of the top teams in the PL , it tells a different story .

During that same period , the likes of Onana at Man U , Raya at Arsenal and Allison at Liverpool have produced some absolutely shocking performances , the likes of which would have some on here going into meltdown if Wes had been responsible for anything approaching any of them .

The above mentioned have a combined transfer value in excess of £150 million and are all no doubt on wages well in excess of £100 , 000 per week .

As such , the idea that within our budget and wage structure we can easily go out and acquire a significantly better keeper than the one we already have is little more than a pipe dream .

In the meantime , I have no doubt that Wes will continue to make saves such as those against Nunez and Salah , both of which were outstanding by any standards .
Good point, just wrong Henderson 😜
 
I constantly read on here that Wes is not a PL goalkeeper , without any explanation as to the standards required in order to meet that description .

It is true that he can’t match the consistently high performances of the likes of Jordan Henderson and Nick Pope which is hardly surprising since they are England’s best two by some distance .

However , if we compare his performances over the season and particularly the last few weeks against those of some other goalkeepers of the top teams in the PL , it tells a different story .

During that same period , the likes of Onana at Man U , Raya at Arsenal and Allison at Liverpool have produced some absolutely shocking performances , the likes of which would have some on here going into meltdown if Wes had been responsible for anything approaching any of them .

The above mentioned have a combined transfer value in excess of £150 million and are all no doubt on wages well in excess of £100 , 000 per week .

As such , the idea that within our budget and wage structure we can easily go out and acquire a significantly better keeper than the one we already have is little more than a pipe dream .

In the meantime , I have no doubt that Wes will continue to make saves such as those against Nunez and Salah , both of which were outstanding by any standards .

To be fair, I’m not really bothered that some keepers others have paid a fortune for are poor. That’s their problem.
The point isn’t about his ability to save shots, it’s what he offers elsewhere in his game with what has become a modern day goalkeeper.
Someone who is able to pick out a team mate on the flanks in space from his hands or off the floor, able to command his area and launch a counter.
A keeper who is quick thinking, able to confidently leave his area and take control to help out his defenders, and if it’s on also pop a pass off to retain possession and take off the pressure from an opposing team.

If we are serious about progress, serious about being a team that keeps up with modern football then we need to keep up.
Sitting still with a keeper that isn’t up to what we need will hamper progress, no matter how good the outfield players are. We simply won’t have as much of the ball.
Modern football is also about scouting and using technology to identify players. We aren’t saying we need to chuck the funds the top clubs throw about, but be the club that gets them in before their big transfer.
And they will be out there, that’s for sure!

Fact is…Wes wouldn’t be replacing any other keeper in the Prem, and probably half the league below.
 
Fact is…Wes wouldn’t be replacing any other keeper in the Prem, and probably half the league below.
Bit harsh that on Wes- pretty much all our players are in this bracket - nobody's coming for our stalwarts in January.

If we add 2 bodies in January - neither of them would be a goalie for me.

Yes he's not great at kicking but he is a good keeper and I also think he's calm under pressure. and exudes a bit of calm to defence.

Also bare in mind so far this season he's been under the cosh every game- ALL other Prem teams have got better defences in front of their keeper.

Lay off Wes- he's done OK
 
Either Cooper at Plymouth or Johannson at Rotherham should be the ones we look to bring in. My preference being Cooper. Wouldn't cost the Earth for either and they would be a genuine number 1 for us for a good few years. Would be a very good investment in January if we could afford it.
Agree with them two suggestions. I'll chuck in Patterson ar Sunderland aswell.
 
The goalkeeper, the base foundation of any team's spine should be the major player
in any first XI. Does he instil confidence in the back three/four? Does he instil confidence in you?
With zero competition, he's 99.9% certain of playing the full season for United and that's
down to whoever the Manager is. Time to look for a better goalkeeper in January, be it
from the UK or further afield, that might just be a signing that gives SUFC a better chance
of retaining the PL status.
 



There were a few occasions yesterday when we conceded corners when Wes could have claimed it. He’s either not shouting or the defenders aren’t trusting him.
yes he has no authority in his box at all which is weird for a big man. Kenny used to feel like he controlled up to the half way line
 

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