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Tha what? It's our first season in the PL for years and Liverpool haven't lost in about 30 league matches. Deluded if anyone doesn't think it was a free hit game.
We're in the same league as them and deserve to be we have got results against other top sides other people gave us no chance against. It is not deluded, it is a good mindset of going in to every game to compete. If they are so mighty that we cannot even think of beating them or getting a result why not field second string and 'give em a run' until we have apparently a more feasible game... Or am I just being deluded :mad:

inb4 comparison to the pigs
 
Well one thing is for sure, if some fans don’t cut the lads any slack when they’re playing the best team in the world god help us when we’re playing dross like Arsenal and ManU.

I do wonder sometimes but then again, when you’ve got a fan base who are all top of their trade and captains of industry it’s to be expected. 🙄
 
Tha what? It's our first season in the PL for years and Liverpool haven't lost in about 30 league matches. Deluded if anyone doesn't think it was a free hit game.
We might aswell all pack up now then. In fact don’t even sell us any tickets in the away end if that’s the case.
 
We didn’t play like ‘us’ when e did eventually get the ball we either gave it away by passing badly or hoofed it up and hoped it would stick, never going to happen against the best centre halves in the league
 
We might aswell all pack up now then. In fact don’t even sell us any tickets in the away end if that’s the case.
We should have had a bet before the game and i dont bet on united. We wasn't ever going to pick any points up tonight, glad it's over with move on.
 
Well one thing is for sure, if some fans don’t cut the lads any slack when they’re playing the best team in the world god help us when we’re playing dross like Arsenal and ManU.

I do wonder sometimes but then again, when you’ve got a fan base who are all top of their trade and captains of industry it’s to be expected. 🙄
We’ll give them plenty of slack even if they can’t pass a ball to each other. It’s one thing supporting the lads and another thing calling out their downfalls on a forum for a certain game.
 
Well one thing is for sure, if some fans don’t cut the lads any slack when they’re playing the best team in the world god help us when we’re playing dross like Arsenal and ManU.

I do wonder sometimes but then again, when you’ve got a fan base who are all top of their trade and captains of industry it’s to be expected. 🙄

Surely you can see that we played nowhere near out capability tonight?

We've played Liverpool before, they've not drastically changed since, and we've played Man City and feel we should have got a result.

Don't think anyone expected a win, we'd have been overjoyed with a point.

It's not even that anyone's having a go at the players, just pointing out that they haven't had a good night.

Not seen any calls for anyone to be dropped.
 
We should have had a bet before the game and i dont bet on united. We wasn't ever going to pick any points up tonight, glad it's over with move on.
I’ll move on alright, and trust me, this Blades team, if they turn up and do the basics right can beat or at least give a game to any fucker.
 
Well one thing is for sure, if some fans don’t cut the lads any slack when they’re playing the best team in the world god help us when we’re playing dross like Arsenal and ManU.

I do wonder sometimes but then again, when you’ve got a fan base who are all top of their trade and captains of industry it’s to be expected. 🙄

Gray, I think you and I are normally on the same page, when it comes to this team mate, but tonight I am allowing myself to be very critical of the performance.
I also think that the boys themselves will be, and we already know that Wilder wasn't at all happy with it.

Maybe I/we have all been spoilt in recent years, but when I see Wilder's United look flacid and disjointed like they did tonight, I feel deflated, because I know how good they are. Regardless of who we ever play, we normally get the basics right and scrap to get possession of the ball. Then once we have it, we back ourselves to keep hold of it and ask the opposition a few questons.

I didn't see nearly enough of any of that tonight, sorry but I just didn't. And as good as Liverpool are, that wasn't all down to them.

Still, onto Wet Sham..for what it's worth I think we will tonk them. UTB
 
Here’s a challenge for all those who choose to believe our failings in this game were a bigger take-away than Liverpool’s quality:

Next time @Roygbiv’s View From includes the phrase “off day” from an opposition fan, show some empathy...

If “just doing the basics” is something that’s always equally attainable, regardless of opposition, then you’re probably mistaking football for snooker.
 
Here’s a challenge for all those who choose to believe our failings in this game were a bigger take-away than Liverpool’s quality:

Next time @Roygbiv’s View From includes the phrase “off day” from an opposition fan, show some empathy...

If “just doing the basics” is something that’s always equally attainable, regardless of opposition, then you’re probably mistaking football for snooker.
Listen to Wilders interview, he’s basically saying they pressed us and ran after the ball, when they didn’t have the ball after being forward they all ran back or something very similar, it was another way of him saying they did the basics or is what’s expected whereas we didn’t.
 
Here’s a challenge for all those who choose to believe our failings in this game were a bigger take-away than Liverpool’s quality:

Next time @Roygbiv’s View From includes the phrase “off day” from an opposition fan, show some empathy...

If “just doing the basics” is something that’s always equally attainable, regardless of opposition, then you’re probably mistaking football for snooker.

Liverpool are immense, noone is questioning that. But we couldn't pass a fart tonight, even when our players weren't under that much pressure. We looked scared to death. Now if that was somehow all down to Liverpool then fair enough, but I think we could have done a bit better, maybe not in terms of result, but certainly performance.
 
Gray, I think you and I are normally on the same page, when it comes to this team mate, but tonight I am allowing myself to be very critical of the performance.
I also think that the boys themselves will be, and we already know that Wilder wasn't at all happy with it.

Maybe I/we have all been spoilt in recent years, but when I see Wilder's United look flacid and disjointed like they did tonight, I feel deflated, because I know how good they are. Regardless of who we ever play, we normally get the basics right and scrap to get possession of the ball. Then once we have it, we back ourselves to keep hold of it and ask the opposition a few questons.

I didn't see nearly enough of any of that tonight, sorry but I just didn't. And as good as Liverpool are, that wasn't all down to them.

Still, onto Wet Sham..for what it's worth I think we will tonk them. UTB
Excellent summary that mate.
 

The big problem was Baldock falling over and us then conceding after 3 minutes.

Left us snookered behind the black almost from the off.

Game plan out of the window against a top top quality team.

Everyone seemed to agree in the summer that we would take some beatings, yet now that we have it seems to have become a problem for some.

Nowt so fickle as folk.
 
We just played the champions of the world on their own patch.

We were clearly and comprehensively outplayed but so have many other top quality teams.

This was never going to be a game we would get anything from but we left without head held high and every United player will be a better player for what they just experienced.

At the beginning of August, we would all have taken 8th place on Jan 2 and having played English champions and world champions in 4 days and only let in 4 goals against the top strikers in the world.

We have come along way from the Port Vale’s and Scunthorpe’s of this world.

We now move on and solidify our position for next year.

toledo
This^

To the unhappy peeps how is it that we are so good we can consistantly make other teams have a bad day yet the world champions don't have this in them and only had to turn up because we were so poor? You can't have it both ways.
 
When the fixtures came out, I was expecting to concede close to double figures from both the City and Liverpool games. We conceded 4 - one thanks to a referee and the other due to our player slipping.

We held our own against City and deserved a draw.

Last night we were totally outclassed by the best team in the World at the moment. Yet we still only lost 2-0! That said, we weren’t at it either - a lot of our players seemed a little nervous/starstruck and we were second to every ball. But, we still only lost 2-0!

We have just had our two hardest games of the season, on paper, by far and have come out with a lot of credit. Let’s not lose sight of who the opponents were and where we have literally just come from.
 
Some people really do feel the need to go through the motions regardless of the situation after every defeat by identifying scapegoats and demand we start chopping and changing despite that clearly being our strongest 11. We've got a great side but even this lot have their limits.

We looked poor tonight but they made us look poor. We were wasteful with the ball but we were being pressed by the best side in the world at this moment in time, not a just a Wigan or Barnsley who were a bit more 'up for it'. We were chasing the ball all night. The effort was there but spending that long chasing shadows often leads to poor decisions when you eventually get the ball. They were set up to retain the ball at the back purposely to starve us of it.

Wilder wasn't happy but its his job to drive standards up, he doesn't do the Warnock style post match presser. We paid them too much respect, that was obvious with the 2nd goal and the unwillingness to put a tackle in. Maybe if we didn't concede so early we would have been a touch less cautious it would have been different, maybe we'd have got a draw or gone in 4-0 at half time.

Positives were Basham and Henderson. The mix up between the two for the one Henderson plucked off the line was poor but i'm giving Henderson the benefit of the doubt there being as Bash had all but played the ball before deciding to leave it. Sharp also showed that he still has a role to play, albeit probably from the bench. McGoldrick looks like he could do with giving his ageing legs a couple of weeks rest.

Ultimately though that Liverpool team are something else, will be worthy champions and probably the best the Premier League has ever seen. Arsenal and Man City were probably better to watch but Liverpool are a more complete side. The way Van Dijk and Gomez dominate must be so demoralising for centre forwards.

West Ham next week is a far more realistic test of where we are.
 
Physically and mentally tired, cruel blow to confidence at start and the reverse for Liverpool, good tactics by Klopp with world class quality thrown in, belief a bit lacking and star struck. All these factors and not just one of them, combine to produce a performance well below our usual level. Reckon we will be right at it against West Ham and a bit of squad strengthening in Jan won't be a bad thing. UTMB.
 
Gray, I think you and I are normally on the same page, when it comes to this team mate, but tonight I am allowing myself to be very critical of the performance.
I also think that the boys themselves will be, and we already know that Wilder wasn't at all happy with it.

Maybe I/we have all been spoilt in recent years, but when I see Wilder's United look flacid and disjointed like they did tonight, I feel deflated, because I know how good they are. Regardless of who we ever play, we normally get the basics right and scrap to get possession of the ball. Then once we have it, we back ourselves to keep hold of it and ask the opposition a few questons.

I didn't see nearly enough of any of that tonight, sorry but I just didn't. And as good as Liverpool are, that wasn't all down to them.

Still, onto Wet Sham..for what it's worth I think we will tonk them. UTB
My view Stretch (and bromtom and wizadry ) is that it was simply one big game too much for us mentally as well as physically. Liverpool away on the back of Man City away in such a short timescale was too much to ask in the end and the early goal scuppered any sort af a game plan. The centre backs and keeper were the only players who were on their game because they didn't have to think too hard, they were too hard pressed, the rest mentally froze, we’ve seen it happen to teams at all levels. It’s hard to explain why happens collectively as opposed to just individuals but it does to better players and teams than we’ve got. In my case it was just a matter of chalking it off as a bad day at the office like so many teams that play us have had.

Disappointed yes but no need to IMO get too forensic considering who we were playing and for the reasons above. We didn't capitulate like Leicester, my main worry before the last 2 games was that we could screw up our goal difference.

Any, like you say pal, time to move on. UTB.
 

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