Just see this on BBC Sports Football.

[Hodgesleftpeg]

Ah, I didn’t get in until the second half had started.

Still, Johnson was uniformly abysmal from what I saw!

Joe Lolley was the only one that stood out for me

 

[ekke287]

Derby's team sheet reads like a list of players we were interested in but ultimately didn't get (Waghorn, Josefzoon (?), Marriott etc.)

The difference now being that we're a team, and they're a group of name players with no identity (and a huge wage bill).

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

What are the odds for Lee Johnson going to Real Madrid? Both should be as likely.

In fact Lee Johnson should be more likely to go to Real Madrid.

Lee Johnson can manage, and has proved this the proper way, unlike Fat Frank.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Waghorn drops too deep for me. We were after a striker at the time - isn't that what we thought he was? Someone at the top of the pitch?
He dropped deep against us at pride park early in the season.
he was dropping deep at Forest - The balance of Derby just doesn't seem right, even though they have some very good players.
Our balance is spot on - great management again. Perhaps CW &AK would have played Waghorn differently for us, but in the end glad we didn't fork out for what now seems an over priced player.

UTB

 

[CarlMcBlade]

He's not good enough for the Prem

That’s my point, Wilder seems to gets an extra 25% out of most players.

 

[bromtom]

Lee Johnson can manage, and has proved this the proper way, unlike Fat Frank.

Exactly. If Frank bastard Lampard ends up managing in the Champions League after one season at Derby County then they should wind up football haha

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Punditry ! He’s 4/1 to be the next Chelsea manager with skybet..

I shit you not..

He'd do well at Chelsea.

It'd be the same as OGS now at Man United. These types of jobs don't rely on the same skills as the majority of other managerial roles.

 

[Bannerman]

Derby's team sheet reads like a list of players we were interested in but ultimately didn't get (Waghorn, Josefzoon (?), Marriott etc.)

The difference now being that we're a team, and they're a group of name players with no identity (and a huge wage bill).

Have you considered that it may not be a coincidence?

Wilder and Knill have a reputation as being able to spot talent and doing their homework by really looking into a players background as well as their playing stats before signing them
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They scout someone who after further investigation isn't suitable because of flaws which they think will prove negative, so they leak the fact that they're interested and another club jumps in and pays over the odds for someone we didn't want anyway.

Baldrick couldn't come up with a more cunning plan. The other club waste their money and damage their teams prospects.

I love a conspiracy theory me.

 

[bromtom]

He'd do well at Chelsea.

It'd be the same as OGS now at Man United. These types of jobs don't rely on the same skills as the majority of other managerial roles.

Solskjaer has about 12 years coaching experience, 2 league titles, a cup, coached Man U reserves for 3 years, and has PL experience with Cardiff.

Frank Lampard played for Chelsea and then worked for BT.

He's not fit to lace Solskjaer's boots when it comes to being a manager.

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

That’s my point, Wilder seems to gets an extra 25% out of most players.

He`d need to get an extra 400% out of Waghorn for him to be any good. I watched him play loads of times for Rangers. For me he`s a one trick pony, and lucky to be where he is now. I praise the Lord that we didn`t sign him.

 

[Chali 2na]

That’s my point, Wilder seems to gets an extra 25% out of most players.

That's conservative at 25%

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Solskjaer has about 12 years coaching experience, 2 league titles, a cup, coached Man U reserves for 3 years, and has PL experience with Cardiff.

Frank Lampard played for Chelsea and then worked for BT.

He's not fit to lace Solskjaer's boots when it comes to being a manager.

Im sure OGSs coaching to date has helped. But what I’m getting at is that with the heavyweight clubs it’s a different set of skills you need. Ferguson was never on the training pitches - and that’s why OGE has the staff around him he does. It’s managing the culture, the egos, the dressing room etc that’s the key. Think that’s what Chelsea need.

 

[sitwell]

I'd love to know how much money derby have waisted over the last 8 to 10 seasons, it must be a biblical amount.

Don't know if that's meant to be a Freudian slip but its a very good one anyway ,likes his Bakewell pudding a bit too much I reckon. Waghorn and Frank actually.

 

[BushBlade]

Im sure OGSs coaching to date has helped. But what I’m getting at is that with the heavyweight clubs it’s a different set of skills you need. Ferguson was never on the training pitches - and that’s why OGE has the staff around him he does. It’s managing the culture, the egos, the dressing room etc that’s the key. Think that’s what Chelsea need.

It’s not just about managing egos. The manager still dictates style of play, team selection, tactics. Fergie is an exception in not attending training much, he took on almost a de facto DoF role as well as being manager. When he first went to Man U he worked very hard on the training ground to turn them into the club they became.

Solksjaer hasn’t just turned them around by massaging egos, he changed their style of play. That doesn’t happen without coaching and organising. Klopp, Poch and Pep are all great coaches. Being a good coach is a given at top level, being able to deal with superstars is what separates them from the good coaches who can’t manage big egos.

If Lampard didn’t set the team up right, didn’t put on the right kind of sessions, didn’t make the right subs, he’d soon get found out.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

It’s not just about managing egos. The manager still dictates style of play, team selection, tactics. Fergie is an exception in not attending training much, he took on almost a de facto DoF role as well as being manager. When he first went to Man U he worked very hard on the training ground to turn them into the club they became.

Solksjaer hasn’t just turned them around by massaging egos, he changed their style of play. That doesn’t happen without coaching and organising. Klopp, Poch and Pep are all great coaches. Being a good coach is a given at top level, being able to deal with superstars is what separates them from the good coaches who can’t manage big egos.

If Lampard didn’t set the team up right, didn’t put on the right kind of sessions, didn’t make the right subs, he’d soon get found out.

Fair points. For me I Think there’s an element of ‘horses for courses’ and I think Lampard would go into Chelsea and be a good fit for what needs doing and what the fans want (especially with academy players).

 

[CarlMcBlade]

So he would have been a Wilder epic fail?

 

[CarlMcBlade]

He's just a player low on confidence. Wilder breeds confidence.

Yes I agree. With the chances we create he’d have been in his element here.........But unfortunately he’s a greedy bastard too.

 

[BushBlade]

Fair points. For me I Think there’s an element of ‘horses for courses’ and I think Lampard would go into Chelsea and be a good fit for what needs doing and what the fans want (especially with academy players).

That’s the great thing about football; stranger things have happened.

 

[Tezza1889]

What are the odds for Lee Johnson going to Real Madrid? Both should be as likely.

In fact Lee Johnson should be more likely to go to Real Madrid.

I just went to see Steven Gerard’s Rangers last week, they couldn’t break st Johnstone down, he’ll be touted as a future Liverpool manger at some point, it’s a names game mate.

 

[Chali 2na]

I just went to see Steven Gerard’s Rangers last week, they couldn’t break st Johnstone down, he’ll be touted as a future Liverpool manger at some point, it’s a names game mate.

I've already seen people mention that Billy Sharp could be a future manager of United, despite knowing nothing of his coaching ability...

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

That’s my point, Wilder seems to gets an extra 25% out of most players.

Wilder seems to make sure that the things we can manage and control are maxed out.

Stuff like changing your shape due to who you are playing is a load of bollocks to him because he's not managing how the opposition will play.

 

[bromtom]

I just went to see Steven Gerard’s Rangers last week, they couldn’t break st Johnstone down, he’ll be touted as a future Liverpool manger at some point, it’s a names game mate.

Might actually be a shake up then in 10 years, Frank Lampard's Chelsea, Steven Gerrard's Liverpool, Phil Jones' Man U, and Eric Dier's Tottenham will be fucking about in midtable and teams with proper managers will win the trophies.

 

[Tezza1889]

Might actually be a shake up then in 10 years, Frank Lampard's Chelsea, Steven Gerrard's Liverpool, Phil Jones' Man U, and Eric Dier's Tottenham will be fucking about in midtable and teams with proper managers will win the trophies.

Thier assistants might have something to say about that, and thier world class players..

 

[Tezza1889]

I've already seen people mention that Billy Sharp could be a future manager of United, despite knowing nothing of his coaching ability...

My dad once said that great players very rarely made great managers, using bobby charlton as a prime example, the only real exception I can think of is possibly pep guardiola, and at a push pochetino although pep has won everything, was he a “great” footballer.. pochetino is another, but was he world class? (He might be) however, not won owt yet as he really..

Fergusson, Clough, Paisley, Shankley, amongst others were hardly world beaters but were exceptional managers, Dalgliesh was a great player, and had success as a manager, but not on the same level and wouldn’t be classed as a “great” amongst managers..

Gazza wasn’t a great manager was he? Fun in the dressing room no doubt though..

 

[Blade for Sale]

My dad once said that great players very rarely made great managers, using bobby charlton as a prime example, the only real exception I can think of is possibly pep guardiola, and at a push pochetino although pep has won everything, was he a “great” footballer.. pochetino is another, but was he world class? (He might be) however, not won owt yet as he really..

Fergusson, Clough, Paisley, Shankley, amongst others were hardly world beaters but were exceptional managers, Dalgliesh was a great player, and had success as a manager, but not on the same level and wouldn’t be classed as a “great” amongst managers..

Gazza wasn’t a great manager was he? Fun in the dressing room no doubt though..

Pep was a very good player, the fulcrum of an exceptional Barça side, but not in the same class, as a player, as his successors Xavi and Iniesta, in my humble opinion.

Interestingly I think the only man I would describe as a true great as both player and manager is the man who gave him his legs at Barça, namely Johan Cruuyf. Not just brilliant but also revolutionary both on the pitch and in the dugout.

There is a case to be made for Beckenbauer as well, but he didn't coach for that long and had his major successes with the national side, and whilst you can't belittle a world cup win, club and national management are very different beasts.

 

[LondonBlade89]

My dad once said that great players very rarely made great managers, using bobby charlton as a prime example, the only real exception I can think of is possibly pep guardiola, and at a push pochetino although pep has won everything, was he a “great” footballer.. pochetino is another, but was he world class? (He might be) however, not won owt yet as he really..

Fergusson, Clough, Paisley, Shankley, amongst others were hardly world beaters but were exceptional managers, Dalgliesh was a great player, and had success as a manager, but not on the same level and wouldn’t be classed as a “great” amongst managers..

Gazza wasn’t a great manager was he? Fun in the dressing room no doubt though..

Your dad's right. The general line of thinking is that if you're a brilliant player, you haven't really had to think too much about your own game, or the wider team's, in order to succeed. You've just been great. Maradona would look at an under-performing player and probably think: "Why can't you just be good?". It's the same for most of the innately brilliant sports players. They haven't had to overcome struggles ability-wise, and so can't empathise with players who go through those troubles. And they haven't had to think too much about tactics, simply because everything comes so easily. You can see why a lot of them then don't make great coaches and managers.

Guardiola was a great player but he was also a disciple of the game who really worked at his craft. The good managers who weren't great players had to learn how to over-come problems, which in turn made them better managers. There's a lot more to it of course - leadership, motivational skills, empathy, an ability to actually understand the game - but that's all mixed into what great managers have, whether you were a decent player in your time or not.

 

[Chali 2na]

My dad once said that great players very rarely made great managers, using bobby charlton as a prime example, the only real exception I can think of is possibly pep guardiola, and at a push pochetino although pep has won everything, was he a “great” footballer.. pochetino is another, but was he world class? (He might be) however, not won owt yet as he really..

Fergusson, Clough, Paisley, Shankley, amongst others were hardly world beaters but were exceptional managers, Dalgliesh was a great player, and had success as a manager, but not on the same level and wouldn’t be classed as a “great” amongst managers..

Gazza wasn’t a great manager was he? Fun in the dressing room no doubt though..

I understand, although even the most generous of Blades would struggle to call Billy world class

 

[Tezza1889]

Pep was a very good player, the fulcrum of an exceptional Barça side, but not in the same class, as a player, as his successors Xavi and Iniesta, in my humble opinion.

Interestingly I think the only man I would describe as a true great as both player and manager is the man who gave him his legs at Barça, namely Johan Cruuyf. Not just brilliant but also revolutionary both on the pitch and in the dugout.

There is a case to be made for Beckenbauer as well, but he didn't coach for that long and had his major successes with the national side, and whilst you can't belittle a world cup win, club and national management are very different beasts.

Cryuuf is a great shout my friend.!

 

[Tezza1889]

I understand, although even the most generous of Blades would struggle to call Billy world class

In the right team, I think he is..

Imagine him up front for Madrid in the “Raul” era..

My love for Sharp will have the men in white coats at the door I know..

 

[Silent Blade]

and at a push pochetino although pep has won everything, was he a “great” footballer.. pochetino is another, but was he world class? (He might be) however, not won owt yet as he really..
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Conceded penalty against England in 2002 World Cup!