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Nah then. This is purely a rumour which Norwich fans have told me about Peterborough United keeper Joe Lewis signing for The Blades in january.
Lewis is a local lad to Norwich and played for their youth and reserve team and is now getting back to full fitness after a bad injury.
I'd have him in a flash!!
 

I always thought he was decent and surprised we didn't try and buy him, lonergan or Westwood instead of loaning the likes of Bunn. On a different note Donny fans seem to rate Ikeme, it was a shame he got injured so quickly when we had him.
 
He didn't have his finest hour in the game against Barnsley on Saturday. In fact, most Peterbro supporters were surprised he was even playing!
 
Nah then. This is purely a rumour which Norwich fans have told me about Peterborough United keeper Joe Lewis signing for The Blades in january.
Lewis is a local lad to Norwich and played for their youth and reserve team and is now getting back to full fitness after a bad injury.
I'd have him in a flash!!

He should pack quite a punch (coat)
 
Dont see any milage in this as he would probably command a fee.
 
Reminds me too much of John Lewis, that shite department store for toffs that is ripping off a beautiful Smiths song (with some trollop whining out the lyrics) trying to sell their guff for xmas. What's wrong with Simmo any ruad? ;) And what about this Maltese chap who we've had on the books for 2 or 3 years and has never played a competitive game??
 
And what about this Maltese chap who we've had on the books for 2 or 3 years and has never played a competitive game??

The one that went to Ferencvaros nearly two years ago and now plays for kerkyra in Greece? The one we signed because we were sponsored by Pontins of Malta, and for no other reason?
 
Reminds me too much of John Lewis, that shite department store for toffs that is ripping off a beautiful Smiths song (with some trollop whining out the lyrics) trying to sell their guff for xmas. What's wrong with Simmo any ruad? ;) And what about this Maltese chap who we've had on the books for 2 or 3 years and has never played a competitive game??

I think Morrissey and Marr would have had to give permission for them to use the song though wouldn't they?
I was surprised to hear it because I've never heard their music used for advertising before.
I thought Morrissey would have been dead against it. Maybe he needs the money?
 
He would keep up the trend of our keepers having surnames that can be used as first names, so for that reason I think we should sign him.
 
I think Morrissey and Marr would have had to give permission for them to use the song though wouldn't they?
I was surprised to hear it because I've never heard their music used for advertising before.
I thought Morrissey would have been dead against it. Maybe he needs the money?

yes, they sanctioned it. Bloody hypocrites. I am really disappointed in this. Interesting article about it here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/nov/11/smiths-john-lewis-christmas-advert
 
I think it's a great song and deserves a wider, mainstream audience BUT why didn't they just use the original version?
The Slow Moving Millie version is too slow and they've replaced Marr's excellent acoustic guitar with a plodding piano and strings.

It is not that what is pissing me off. It's a working class, anti establishment band allowing a big, capatlist organisation to market their middle class junk. Hypocrisy of the highest order. Not only that, but it is a heart breaking song that is taken well and truly out of context by some little brat offering a Christmas boxes to his parents.
 
By "big capatlist organisation" do you mean workers' partnership?
 
I've watched Joe Lewis numerous times with Posh being my local club and he's no better than what we've got in Simmo to be honest. Big bloke, decent shot stopper but doesn't command the area well enough.
 

It is not that what is pissing me off. It's a working class, anti establishment band allowing a big, capatlist organisation to market their middle class junk. Hypocrisy of the highest order. Not only that, but it is a heart breaking song that is taken well and truly out of context by some little brat offering a Christmas boxes to his parents.

I don’t see it as being hypocritical. The Smiths were never an overtly political band. If the advert was for McDonalds or Burger King that would be hypocrisy.
 
I just signed this guy for United on FM12! It's meant to be!
 
I couldn't even read that article after the bit where it named the song. That song cannot ever be used for any ad in my eyes. It's a modern great to be interpreted by those who hear it, not to be used to sell anything. Wank.

But as keepers go, we should have looked about, saw who was the best I the champ at the time and signed the fucker. I still believe us with paddy would have got in the play offs when we came eighth and wouldn't have gone down when we did even if all the other factors remained the same.

I love that simple baby faced get.
 
I don’t see it as being hypocritical. The Smiths were never an overtly political band. If the advert was for McDonalds or Burger King that would be hypocrisy.

They were incredibly political. Morrisey stated that the IRA bomb at the Tory party conference in 83 'might not have been such a bad thing if it had killed Margaret Thatcher'. He then went on to write a song called Margaret on the Guillotine. They were an incredibly anti establishment band and an alternative to Thatcherite era pop. Them allowing a department store to use their record (particularly one that is an incredible depressing song that talks about someone who is pretty much suicidal) to sell things reeks of hypocrisy. This is especially the case if they are receiving royalties or took some sort of payment.

It's navel-gazing miserablist over-rated damp bedsit shite is what it is.

I never really got the Smiths. Maybe you'd guessed that by now.

Each to their own. I always had you down as more of a Wham fan.

I couldn't even read that article after the bit where it named the song. That song cannot ever be used for any ad in my eyes. It's a modern great to be interpreted by those who hear it, not to be used to sell anything. Wank.

In complete agreement.
 
The Smiths created some good music, mostly very average and overall extremely overrated. However, the fact that they were around at the time they were worked in their favour. Compared with much of the music during that era, their work looks positively Beatles-erean.
 
They were incredibly political. Morrisey stated that the IRA bomb at the Tory party conference in 83 'might not have been such a bad thing if it had killed Margaret Thatcher'. He then went on to write a song called Margaret on the Guillotine. They were an incredibly anti establishment band and an alternative to Thatcherite era pop. Them allowing a department store to use their record (particularly one that is an incredible depressing song that talks about someone who is pretty much suicidal) to sell things reeks of hypocrisy. This is especially the case if they are receiving royalties or took some sort of payment.

Margaret on the Guillotine was a Morrissey solo track, not The Smiths.
What on earth has Margaret Thatcher got to do with John Lewis? Nothing.
Morrissey wrote a fair few songs about suicide but "Please, Please.." isn't one of them.
The first line is "Good times for a change..", so where are you getting depression and suicide from?

Morrissey never specifies what it is that he wants, so it can be interpreted anyway you like.
Maybe the person singing the song wants soft furnishings or maybe he wants Xmas morning to come..?
If Morrissey/Marr want to make money from their back catalogue AND have their music become more widely heard, that's fine by me. They've earned it baby..
 
The Smiths created some good music, mostly very average and overall extremely overrated. However, the fact that they were around at the time they were worked in their favour. Compared with much of the music during that era, their work looks positively Beatles-erean.

Good music, but mostly very average?

I thought they were fantastic, but that is just my opinion (like your good, yet average one). It's true that they stood out like a diamond in a sack of shite in the 80's. I thought that they were revolutionary and brought something new to music. The incredibly deep, depressing, melodramatic and poetic lyrics (or Morrisey) and (Marr's) brilliant, uplifting and catchy riffs were a combination that had not been seen before. This makes me think that they would have made it in any era (though of course we cannnot be sure).

Margaret on the Guillotine was a Morrissey solo track, not The Smiths.
What on earth has Margaret Thatcher got to do with John Lewis? Nothing.
Morrissey wrote a fair few songs about suicide but "Please, Please.." isn't one of them.
The first line is "Good times for a change..", so where are you getting depression and suicide from?

Morrissey never specifies what it is that he wants, so it can be interpreted anyway you like.
Maybe the person singing the song wants soft furnishings or maybe he wants Xmas morning to come..?
If Morrissey/Marr want to make money from their back catalogue AND have their music become more widely heard, that's fine by me. They've earned it baby..

Did you not know that Margaret Thatcher shops at John Lewis Sothall ;) But seriously, they were an anti establishment band. John Lewis might not be the huge capatlist organisation (my own bit of melodrama) but they are still an upmarket chain. Allowing them to use one of the Smiths songs to seel their stuff goes against everything the band stood for.

'You see the life I've had could turn a good man bad' ..... 'please let me get what I want, lord knows it will be the first time'. My interpretation is thjat 'good times have come for a change', but they will not last and the singer knows that. I did not say it was about suicide, but more that the person seemed suicidal, or at least clinically depressed. The beauty of poetry is that it is open to interpretation.
 
.....John Lewis might not be the huge capatlist organisation (my own bit of melodrama) but they are still an upmarket chain. Allowing them to use one of the Smiths songs to seel their stuff goes against everything the band stood for......

The John Lewis Partnership isn't a huge capitalist organisation, it's an employee-owned partnership. They may well be upmarket, but I bet Morrisey and Marr are quite happy with the money they'll be getting from the advert. They like money. They loved it when The Smiths were going when they originally split the recording and performance royalties thusly - Morrissey 40%, Marr 40%, Andy Rourke 10% and Mike Joyce 10%.

So very far from the ideals of the Smiths, but not the way you thought.

Here's a bit from the Wikipedia entry about The Smiths, showing that Morrissey and Marr weren't too concerned about worker's rights and equality when they trousered the money.

"None of the members of the band had any business experience having all left school by 16 and Morrissey, the more assertive and oldest by four years, made all the financial decisions. Morrissey and Marr took the lion's share of The Smiths' recording and performance royalties and allowed ten percent each to Joyce and Rourke.

In 1996, Joyce took Morrissey and Marr to court, claiming that he had never agreed to the ten percent deal and was seeking his fair share of recording and performance royalties. Composition royalties were not an issue, as Rourke and Joyce had never been credited as composers for the band. Morrissey and Marr claimed that the other two members of the band had always agreed to that split of the royalties.

Judge Weeks preferred the evidence of Joyce and Rourke that they were never told they would receive only one-tenth of the group's earnings. He described them as "straightforward and honest, unintellectual and certainly not financially sophisticated". Weeks described Morrissey as being more complicated and "didn't find giving evidence easy or a happy experience. He was devious, truculent and unreliable when his own interests were at stake". The judge said Marr was more engaging, reasonable and intelligent but became less credible as he embroidered his evidence.

After a seven-day hearing the court found in favour of Joyce and ordered that he be paid over £1 million in back pay and receive twenty-five percent henceforth. In order to pay his debts in 1989 Rourke had previously settled for a lump sum of £83,000 and ten percent of royalties giving up all further claims."

So, Morrissey and Marr were in fact the capitalist greedy bastards all along, and John Lewis aren't.

Still, don't let facts get in the way of a good story Olle.
 
Well done for digging around a little bit SV. I don't really see what the famous Mike Joyce getting s bit of sour grapes and going back on his original agreement has to do with anything. Morrisey and Marr were the band. The lead singer and songwriter and the lead guitarist and music writer. They did not need Joyce and Rourke and could have got any 2 monkeys to play bass and drums. Suppose Morrisey and Marr could have paid their mates more, but I would hardly cass it a breach of human rights.

Aha, the John Lewis partnership the famolus working mans company. Owner of John Lewis and Waitrose and the 3rd largest private company in the UK. Pricing out anyone but middle to upper class customers. Whilst I agree that they are not McDonalds or Burger King, their managing director got 600k which is more than 25 times the salary of the lowest worker.
 
.............their managing director got 600k which is more than 25 times the salary of the lowest worker.

To be fair, managing directors of most companies get paid a lot more than the lowest worker. Are you suggesting that the boss of a company that treats it's staff very well should be paid the same money as one of the part-time staff?

John Lewis don't price their goods to cut out lower-class customers. It's merely priced.

As for The Smiths, a court and subsequent appeal found in favour of the two other chaps. The song writing royalties were never in question, but they maintained that they weren't getting a fair day's pay for a fair day's work. Two courts agreed with them.

Morrissey and Marr wanted most of the money. The courts agreed that they had been unfair. So they're hardly the paragons of virue they are painted to be, are they? And that's before we get on to how good or bad as a pop group they were. Personally I thought a couple of their songs were okay, but I've never actually bought any of their stuff as most of it was, in my opinion, shite.
 

To be fair, managing directors of most companies get paid a lot more than the lowest worker. Are you suggesting that the boss of a company that treats it's staff very well should be paid the same money as one of the part-time staff?

John Lewis don't price their goods to cut out lower-class customers. It's merely priced.

As for The Smiths, a court and subsequent appeal found in favour of the two other chaps. The song writing royalties were never in question, but they maintained that they weren't getting a fair day's pay for a fair day's work. Two courts agreed with them.

Morrissey and Marr wanted most of the money. The courts agreed that they had been unfair. So they're hardly the paragons of virue they are painted to be, are they? And that's before we get on to how good or bad as a pop group they were. Personally I thought a couple of their songs were okay, but I've never actually bought any of their stuff as most of it was, in my opinion, shite.

No, but I question the whole working partnership when the managing director gets a footballers salary and the lowest paid worker gets that of a cleaner. Waitrose and John Lewis price their goods (and aim their marketing strategy for that matter)at the middle to upper classes.

Morrisey and Marr deserved most of the money. They were the band! The vast majority of people will never of heard of Rourke and Joyce and they contributed very little. Whether they were a little unfair with their follow band members, or not, takes nothing away from the band being working class, anti establishment and left leaning politically.

And like I said, I had you down as a Wham fan, or perhaps Aha, ABC or Tears for Fears.
 

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