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Not sure if many will have heard it who went to the game yesterday, but Radio Sheffield did an interview with Jim Phipps that covered a lot of topics. It's available here: http://audioboom.com/boos/2516280-sufc-co-chairman-jim-phipps-speaks-to-bbcsheffield:

For those that want a summary, here is my attempt.

12 months on

Situation was dire a year ago. Culture at the club has been transformed - board is hands-off, much more power given to Clough and Brannigan.

On investment

1. Not v fussed about people's suggestions that spend has been underwhelming - it was always intended to be nothing other than sensible, and an amount that is appropriate for a League 1 team seeking promotion.
2. There are constraints that we have no power on - e.g we don't control who is willing to play in League 1 - but people that say we've only invested £1, clearly needs their head checked.
3. Everyone knows the club operates a deficit each yr of several million, which needs covering before any investment in first team football. The Prince's investment is therefore in the millions & millions.
4. We don't like to talk about the amounts as it immediately puts a weapon in the hands of the agents that would be dealing with us. We've tried to be therefore cagey about numbers, though aware that feeds the worst fears of those that say there is little investment - regrettable but necessary.
5. The open-ended ongoing commitment is significant. Some want to see splashy transfer fees.

Harry cash

1. The money is in the club. Hull spoke against our agreement and released a figure of £2.5 million. It's actually really £2 million plus 500k on contingencies (appearances etc, which isn't looking likely so far to be ultimately paid). To be paid £1m this year, £1m next year.
2. We'll likely spend the £1m this year, and the remaining chunk next year - the board doesn't decide how this is spent. This cash is availble to management, who will decide.

Transfers

1. Management has told him they are in advanced stages with their loan targets. We won't make this public until it's a done deal.
2. Confident the management will get in the players deemed needed. Every Blade should know that every deal is a multiparty deal involving clubs and agents. We can try and influence by throwing money into deals, but ultimately not everything is in our control.
3. Think it's a great shame we didn't get O'Grady this summer. We offered a transfer fee that worked bit couldn't agree personal terms. Whatever management considers the right amount of money to spend on a deal is taken as the main judgment followed by Phipps. We will not do bad business, and we will not compel management to take a player on terms they don't think are sensible. If you're the football manager you have to live with the consequences of the rest of your team being paid less than this player - we will let these decisions be made by the manager.

FFP

1. There's not a lot to say publicly on this - we follow the rules. Last year we bumped right up against the threshold, we didn't go over it.
2. Phipps the only chairman in L1 who can get fired for non-performance - with the Prince's investment, he is given a clear target - promotion. We have our foot on the gas on the wage bill and will like last year run up to our upper limit. We'll spend the resources to get us promoted, but will do it sensibly - and by delegating the spend to those who are the experts. Phipps says he is not the expert on this - Clough and Brannigan decide. V happy to let them run with the ball, the board all agree with this approach.

Evans

1. Hierarchy, including Phipps, haven't made a decision on trying to bring him back. We've made previous press statements amounting to v little because we haven't got any more to say at this time.
2. Acknowledge it's a v v difficult issue, still puzzling through it, don't have a clear answer.
3. Evans is trying to clear his name - we're completely separate from that. We're a football club looking to get promoted. We don't want anything we're doing to get in his way, and we don't want anything he's doing to get in our way.
4. Guess is ppl will press us for a decision when he's released in 3 weeks - likely we won't have one by then.
5. Acknowledge there are different sides on this - we feel them ourselves, we feel the whole set of issues. Ppl expect we'll make the decision for football reasons, but this is a special type of thing, it's unusual. A decision will be made first about the brand, and then we'll leave the footballing decision to the football side of club. We're not there yet on a decision.
 



Nigel Clough - you have the power!!

What were you on about after the Swindon game though?? Must have been a shot at Brannigan.

Super OP, great interview, every Blade should have to read, digest and remember it.

Nigell C lough - Mr SUFC. Are you big enough? Are you as good as I for one think you are?Time will tell.
 
I don't think you can argue against much of that, Jim speaks well and sensibly. Then again spin is his job he has glossed over the Harry situation and not answered the questions like a true politician. If the fee was £2 million we once again have had our pants pulled down, why were we so desperate to sell for that price ? Even if Harry had gone for free in 2015 surely we would have got a similar figure in compensation. Wasn't the reason and consequences of the Prince's GCI to enable us to keep hold of our better players until we had a replacement in place this clearly is not the case.
 
If you watch the interview on blade player mr Phipps seems to start to say something about Harry the stops his self and answers differently, metalblade you say we had our pants dropped, I think we had to chase the deal simply because Harry wanted it to go through, and clough et al knew that a player not wanting to be here wouldn't make for a happy dressing room which seems to be a prime requisite for clough.
Yes he is a spin doctor but I look at his body language and he seems to show he believes what he is saying and to me answers a lot of questions that have been asked by many blades, I also believe the next week or so will be pivotal in fans view of him and the club ie how we use the loan market as to the clubs commitment to promotion.
The Evans question was evaded pretty well but at least we now know for certain the club are discussing it and trying to step through a very difficult minefield, ched chasing his innocence seems to me to be the main point, and I believe, though daz and the more legally minded may correct me, this may take a few years and while he's doing that may just negate some of the possible shitstorm that will almost certainly follow his resigning.
I'd say well done mr Phipps and well done SUFC.
Time will tell if the spin has truth or if its just another placating exercise by the blades hierarchy .
Hoping the former.
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I don't think you can argue against much of that, Jim speaks well and sensibly. Then again spin is his job he has glossed over the Harry situation and not answered the questions like a true politician. If the fee was £2 million we once again have had our pants pulled down, why were we so desperate to sell for that price ? Even if Harry had gone for free in 2015 surely we would have got a similar figure in compensation. Wasn't the reason and consequences of the Prince's GCI to enable us to keep hold of our better players until we had a replacement in place this clearly is not the case.




When a player wants to go there isn't much anybody can do when the Premiership come knocking.
 
I don't think you can argue against much of that, Jim speaks well and sensibly. Then again spin is his job he has glossed over the Harry situation and not answered the questions like a true politician. If the fee was £2 million we once again have had our pants pulled down, why were we so desperate to sell for that price ? Even if Harry had gone for free in 2015 surely we would have got a similar figure in compensation. Wasn't the reason and consequences of the Prince's GCI to enable us to keep hold of our better players until we had a replacement in place this clearly is not the case.

Because maguire forced our hand by refusing to play.
 
If you watch the interview on blade player mr Phipps seems to start to say something about Harry the stops his self and answers differently, metalblade you say we had our pants dropped, I think we had to chase the deal simply because Harry wanted it to go through, and clough et al knew that a player not wanting to be here wouldn't make for a happy dressing room which seems to be a prime requisite for clough.
Yes he is a spin doctor but I look at his body language and he seems to show he believes what he is saying and to me answers a lot of questions that have been asked by many blades, I also believe the next week or so will be pivotal in fans view of him and the club ie how we use the loan market as to the clubs commitment to promotion.
The Evans question was evaded pretty well but at least we now know for certain the club are discussing it and trying to step through a very difficult minefield, ched chasing his innocence seems to me to be the main point, and I believe, though daz and the more legally minded may correct me, this may take a few years and while he's doing that may just negate some of the possible shitstorm that will almost certainly follow his resigning.
I'd say well done mr Phipps and well done SUFC.
Time will tell if the spin has truth or if its just another placating exercise by the blades hierarchy .
Hoping the former.
UTB




Just a hunch but I reckon the biggest barrier to Evans coming will be Clough who has strong principles and most likely won't want a rapist anywhere near his dressing room.

When Weir signed King I was gobsmacked, but he was desperate by then.

The new loan signings will give us a clue.
 
Just a hunch but I reckon the biggest barrier to Evans coming will be Clough who has strong principles and most likely won't want a rapist anywhere near his dressing room.

When Weir signed King I was gobsmacked, but he was desperate by then.

The new loan signings will give us a clue.
In that case, surely Phipps would have just said' we are not resigning Evans'. End of story
 
In that case, surely Phipps would have just said' we are not resigning Evans'. End of story

I think the club believe there is a big fans lobby to sign him and are aware of the various other lobbies. Clearly it is a testing dilemma. Clough will have the final say.

If he says no there is a chance Evans will score loads of goals for another local club perhaps - there lies the rub.

If Clough has already said no, dare the club admit it?

Clough can research the lad' s footballing history. Was he trouble in the dressing room- probably not. Was he a positive team man - probably not. Did he have a racey lifestyle before the incident and was it a one-off abhoration - who knows?
People still at the club will know.
 
In that case, surely Phipps would have just said' we are not resigning Evans'. End of story


Nope, he said that the board will make a decision on whether Clough is able to re-sign him, and then if yes, then it will be up to clough.
 
Thanks for posting.

Much of it re:transfer's/money/investment has been stated before...don't know why some don't believe it...I for one am welcoming this 'openness/spin'

The Ched statement is new.
You could read from that that we aren't going to offer him a contract on release but that he will be back training with us, 'under the radar' to earn a contract..which will be up to Nigel and the team.

IMO, unless Nigel puts a firm no down from the start, I reckon he'll be training with the squad up to Christmas and if good enough/fit will be introduced in the New Year.

It'll take a good couple of months to get anywhere near up to speed I reckon...
 
I reckon Phipps will be the one charged with handling any media storm if Evans is resigned - he certainly seems the best equipped. I doubt Evans will be offered a contract straightaway for the reasons Esablade says.

There may, however, be another potential barrier/reason not to resign him in the FFP regs as Phipps says the intention is to spend on wages up to the maximum permitted within the FFP regs. Depending on the cost of any new loan signings (with a view to buying in January ) it might be quite simply that we cannot afford him and stay within the budget and this may be a convenient coat hook to hang it on, thus avoiding the "moral" dilemma. If the strikers (including loans) work out I can't see Evans coming back - probably expensive and carrying a lot of baggage with him. Whatever happens Phipps will want everyone on board with the decision including NC and backroom team.
 
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Ok im pretty happy with all of that and the result yesterday and improving individual performances
I would love to know why we werent in for coady and why we are having so much difficulty attracting players but it seems jim and the board have absolved themselves and any responsibility for that lies squarely at the door of cluffy and his team

As long as we are there or there abouts in jan i will be happy
 
Coincidentally there was an interview on radio Suffolk yesterday with Ipswich's Chief Executive who was also questioned on lack of investment. His answer was that the relationship between fees and wages has changed so the investment is now almost all in wages and the fees are not relevant as a marker of investment.
 
Ok im pretty happy with all of that and the result yesterday and improving individual performances
I would love to know why we werent in for coady and why we are having so much difficulty attracting players but it seems jim and the board have absolved themselves and any responsibility for that lies squarely at the door of cluffy and his team

As long as we are there or there abouts in jan i will be happy

We were in for Coady, we asked Liverpool how much they wanted, they said over a million, cClough didn't think he was worth it so moved on and signed other targets, i.e Wallace. By time Liverpool sold coady for a smaller fee we had signed other targets.
 



Coincidentally there was an interview on radio Suffolk yesterday with Ipswich's Chief Executive who was also questioned on lack of investment. His answer was that the relationship between fees and wages has changed so the investment is now almost all in wages and the fees are not relevant as a marker of investment.

Speaking to Wednesday fan yesterday and they said Tom Lees signed for them because Wednesday paid his contract up. There was no fee involved and all they did was just give him the terms he wanted.

This could just be the nutty Italian offloading another player that didn't have the right birthday because I am sure they could have got a transfer fee for Lees. It was interesting and perhaps transfer fees might be less common? I think some clubs are trying their best to elbow agents out if possible.
 
2. There are constraints that we have no power on - e.g we don't control who is willing to play in League 1 - but people that say we've only invested £1, clearly needs their head checked.

Jim, that was a compliment to the Prince

Blades live in a World where a Hotel can be bought for £1, we know the Value of a £1 in Blades Land

Take it as a compliment Jim, no need to insult the Fans of this Club ...........................
 
logically if you think about it mandaric admitted wednesday getting more tv money than we do and minisculely bigger crowds are losing 5m a year , so going on from that we must in operating terms be level or worse off every year, so it could mean mccabe and hrh splitting say 6 m a year just to balance the books
 
Excellent stuff from Jim as ever.

Thanks for the summary :)
 
A good interview but there's one thing I don't get. How does a debt free Sheffield United with 19000 fans turning up regularly need millions of investment just to pay its bills in the third division?

It's time they seriously looked at our cost base. How much does the academy cost to run? Is it worth it?

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We were in for Coady, we asked Liverpool how much they wanted, they said over a million, cClough didn't think he was worth it so moved on and signed other targets, i.e Wallace. By time Liverpool sold coady for a smaller fee we had signed other targets.
It said in the star that liverpool valued him at 1.5m after they pit him up for sale
I have never read anywhere that we bid for him or were put off by that price tag
You tom have just read summat on here and taken it as read
He was sold for 375 k so maybe the star wete wrong

If you can show me one scrap of evidence that we were in for him and liverpool quoted us a million id love to see it ?

Otherwise you are coming across as being itk when youre not
 
The thing I'm not understanding at the moment is the protracted transfers. I'm not sure why it takes us so long to sort out a loan deal. Ask the club if they're willing to loan us a player. Yes. Ask the player if they're willing to come. Yes. Look at their wages. Offer to pay some and then an amount to cover the bits that don't fit into our wage structure under FFP? Our recent attempted transfer action seems to be so protracted and I have no idea why. He's said we're prepared to sweeten deals.
 
A good interview but there's one thing I don't get. How does a debt free Sheffield United with 19000 fans turning up regularly need millions of investment just to pay its bills in the third division?

It's time they seriously looked at our cost base. How much does the academy cost to run? Is it worth it?

UTB
My thoughts exactly if this club with 18-19,000 at every home game are losing £2million every year then heaven help the rest of the teams in league one and two who can only dream of being so well supported, Jesus we get better crowds than half the championship. Do we need 25,000 season ticket holders just to break even ? I might find Jim a little more believable if he could point us in the direction of what exactly make this club bleed money in such an alarming rate. He talks of the Harry money coming in half now half next season suggesting we only have half to spend now, are we the only club to spunk out all the transfer fee on a player the day he signs ? of course we aren't every club in the country make staged payments. I just don't see why this club is different to all the rest as the boardroom would have us believe, other clubs with nowhere near our support don't lose £2M every season and also manage to bring players in and afford their wages. Another favourite is the FFP excuse, well sorry Jim but wasn't that designed to stop clubs paying more than they could afford in transfers and wages are we running up to the FFP limit or over it causing us to lose £2M per season ? Still plenty of answers needed Mr Phipps.
 
If you can show me one scrap of evidence that we were in for him and liverpool quoted us a million id love to see it ?

There was a report that we "enquired" about him and were told he was valued at £1m. Later there was an incredibly dodgy report in the Daily Star saying Wolves were going to outbid Sheffield United's £1.5m "bid" for him (never happened). There was no actual bid for him from us that I have seen - Wolves reportedly bid £500k for him but they and Leeds were beaten by Huddersfield (apparently it wasn't the highest bid in either fee or wages either according to the Huddersfield Examiner).
 
It said in the star that liverpool valued him at 1.5m after they pit him up for sale
I have never read anywhere that we bid for him or were put off by that price tag
You tom have just read summat on here and taken it as read
He was sold for 375 k so maybe the star wete wrong

If you can show me one scrap of evidence that we were in for him and liverpool quoted us a million id love to see it ?

Otherwise you are coming across as being itk when youre not
Not claiming to be in the know at all Justin was widely reported in the media and by Jim Phipps at the time that we had enquired about him and been told a valuation that we thought was too high.
 
Any of the moaners on here who can watch and listen to that interview – and indeed the very fact that it took place at all and we can watch and listen to it – who can't see how this club has changed substantially for the better must, to quote the man himself, need their head checked.
 
My thoughts exactly if this club with 18-19,000 at every home game are losing £2million every year then heaven help the rest of the teams in league one and two who can only dream of being so well supported, Jesus we get better crowds than half the championship. Do we need 25,000 season ticket holders just to break even ? I might find Jim a little more believable if he could point us in the direction of what exactly make this club bleed money in such an alarming rate. He talks of the Harry money coming in half now half next season suggesting we only have half to spend now, are we the only club to spunk out all the transfer fee on a player the day he signs ? of course we aren't every club in the country make staged payments. I just don't see why this club is different to all the rest as the boardroom would have us believe, other clubs with nowhere near our support don't lose £2M every season and also manage to bring players in and afford their wages. Another favourite is the FFP excuse, well sorry Jim but wasn't that designed to stop clubs paying more than they could afford in transfers and wages are we running up to the FFP limit or over it causing us to lose £2M per season ? Still plenty of answers needed Mr Phipps.

All the info on income will be the accounts. Worth a look at the appropriate time.

I think fewer than half the of the L1 clubs paid a transfer fee, though I could be wrong.
 
Any of the moaners on here who can watch and listen to that interview – and indeed the very fact that it took place at all and we can watch and listen to it – who can't see how this club has changed substantially for the better must, to quote the man himself, need their head checked.
Who are the moaners on here?

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A good interview but there's one thing I don't get. How does a debt free Sheffield United with 19000 fans turning up regularly need millions of investment just to pay its bills in the third division?

It's time they seriously looked at our cost base. How much does the academy cost to run? Is it worth it?

UTB

It's fair question but we've a near-Premiership infrastructure to support in the lower leagues. As others said, the accounts will show where the money goes, but I've not doubt we'll be paying a premium for players which other clubs at this level don't.

Your first thought is of the academy, but without a significant, locally-fed youth structure, SUFC wouldn't be as integral to its community as it is. Can we have a worthwhile youth system without the academy status?

Either way, get promoted and there's less to worry about.
 

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