Jags

[HeCanDoMagic]

Why do people still go on about him as if he's our own player? He left a long, long time ago and hasn't bothered with us much since. He probably sees Pigsday as just another club and if the right offer was put on the table he would go there. I doubt that they'll make that offer, but the idea that he would turn it down just because he once played for us is head-in-the-clouds stuff.

The same reason people still applaud Brian Deane, or Tony Currie or any other player who was committed to the blades and showed pride for our club.

Don't get the criticism some fans get for still having some affiliation to ex players.

 

[Booker4]

Wasn't it a relegation release clause? Might have been the only way to tie him into a deal and the club was confident of staying up (lets be right, in April none of us were worried about relegation).

It might have been to be fair mate, not sure.

 

[BushBlade]

The same reason people still applaud Brian Deane, or Tony Currie or any other player who was committed to the blades and showed pride for our club.

Don't get the criticism some fans get for still having some affiliation to ex players.

Aye, it's not like Deano or TC would ever stoop to playing for one of our rivals.

 

[YES Blade]

I agree that comments that inferred Jags did it to get a move are over the top, but at the end of the day, even fans like you who love Jags - who are probably in the majority - need to appreciate that when you handball like that in a game of that magnitude etc etc, you're opening the door for criticism,and for some, suspicion of intent. You can defend him to the hilt, and that's your preoperative, but then I've seen comments on here like those that criticise Jags aren't proper Blades etc. Who gives them the right to say that, just because an opinion is different to theirs? If I'd done the hand ball like he did, irrespective of how great Jags was for us in that season and before, I would expect criticism and I would have felt very embarrassed to say the least walking back into the dressing room on that day.

It's fine to criticise a player for a poor performance or giving away a penalty etc. but to suggest that it was a deliberate act in order to relegate the club for personal financial gain and career progression is slanderous. It's suggesting that Jags fixed the match and therefore broke the law!

Yes, it's disappointing that Jags was the one to give away the penalty that ultimately relegated us, but that doesn't define his career at United. He made 287 appearances for the club and he had far more good matches than bad.

 

[Booker4]

Aye, it's not like Deano or TC would ever stoop to playing for one of our rivals.

Aye, it's not like Deano or TC would ever stoop to playing for one of our rivals.

Leeds is not the same as the Pigs though is it but I don't think, to be fair to Jags, he'd ever join Wednesday, especially when I reckon he'll still play a part this season for Everton and then see out his contract, and who knows, maybe we can re-sign him then.

 

[Booker4]

It's fine to criticise a player for a poor performance or giving away a penalty etc. but to suggest that it was a deliberate act in order to relegate the club for personal financial gain and career progression is slanderous. It's suggesting that Jags fixed the match and therefore broke the law!

Yes, it's disappointing that Jags was the one to give away the penalty that ultimately relegated us, but that doesn't define his career at United. He made 287 appearances for the club and he had far more good matches than bad.

Again mate, I wasn't one of those that said that he did it deliberately to get us relegated. He definitely hand balled deliberately in my view, based on the replays, but I put it down to a moment of madness. I just said that he opens himself to criticism when you do something like on your last game and then we were relegated. It's not the same as missing an open goal, getting sent off, missing a pen etc. Some fans, like yourself, think it was ok and one of those things. I find it hard to understand why any footballer would do that and he never apologised, although many might think why should he, but I hoped he would at some point, and it would have shown bottle.

We're going over old ground here and its been debated regularly, but every time he is mentioned, I'm sorry, I just think of that hand ball and I was there for all of the amazing goals he scored and saw him regularly for us. He was a quality player for sure, the best we have had probably since Deano in the early 90's.

 

[YES Blade]

Again mate, I wasn't one of those that said that he did it deliberately to get us relegated. He definitely hand balled deliberately in my view, based on the replays, but I put it down to a moment of madness. I just said that he opens himself to criticism when you do something like on your last game and then we were relegated. It's not the same as missing an open goal, getting sent off, missing a pen etc. Some fans, like yourself, think it was ok and one of those things. I find it hard to understand why any footballer would do that and he never apologised, although many might think why should he, but I hoped he would at some point, and it would have shown bottle.

We're going over old ground here and its been debated regularly, but every time he is mentioned, I'm sorry, I just think of that hand ball and I was there for all of the amazing goals he scored and saw him regularly for us. He was a quality player for sure, the best we have had probably since Deano in the early 90's.

Just to clarify I'm not suggesting you think Jags did it to fix the match, but there certainly are those that do think this way.

It's sad that some can't see past one incident because without Jags, we might not have been promoted in the first place, and had we been promoted, there is no doubt in my mind we would have been relegated long before the Wigan match without him.

 

[BushBlade]

Just to clarify I'm not suggesting you think Jags did it to fix the match, but there certainly are those that do think this way.

It's sad that some can't see past one incident because without Jags, we might not have been promoted in the first place, and had we been promoted, there is no doubt in my mind we would have been relegated long before the Wigan match without him.

We wouldn't have gone up without Jags. If anyone disagrees please watch the DVD of that season and see how influential he was.

 

[Lower Drop Blade]

7 pages to discuss a load of bollocks

 

[Kenilworth]

It doies seem to be a word that is bandied about way too easily.

are you sure
I am certain that the only time I have seen "doies" bandied about is in your earlier post.

 

[JJBlade]

floated in....
what we we playing with that day, a crisp packet??!!
GK's practice that for years, punching is muscle memory.

Yes
The ball was floated into our penalty area

Jagielka had the choice of head it clear or handle it

A goalkeeper would think "catch or punch"

A defender would think "head it"

Plenty of time to make a decision and boy did he make one.............for himself

 

[The Crab]

are you sure
I am certain that the only time I have seen "doies" bandied about is in your earlier post.

Sausage fingers, well spotted

 

[LenTednTony]

I hope that all you conspiracist theory purveyors are really joking....right? He would not have given away a penalty just to get a move.

If I am proved wrong, then I'll accept that but, at the moment and considering how big a player for us Jags was, it makes me feel sick to my stomach that some Blades fans ACTUALLY think this. Shame on you.

 

[mattbianco1]

Exactly
Fuck him, never wanted him back after that handball
He saw his chance to trigger his get out clause and condemned us to relegation without a care in the world

I hope he does sign for them, cheating club and a cheating twat

I can't believe people actually believe that. Let alone say it out loud or write it down

 

[Mouth of the South]

Yes
The ball was floated into our penalty area

Jagielka had the choice of head it clear or handle it

A goalkeeper would think "catch or punch"

A defender would think "head it"

Plenty of time to make a decision and boy did he make one.............for himself

What an utter fool of yourself you're making on here.

 

[steve26272]

Yes
The ball was floated into our penalty area

Jagielka had the choice of head it clear or handle it

A goalkeeper would think "catch or punch"

A defender would think "head it"

Plenty of time to make a decision and boy did he make

ahhh bless, you still banging this drum? Still, god loves a trier....
anyway, what you fail to be able to explain is
what happens if ref didn't see it?
what happens if they miss the pen?
what happens if we score again?
what happens if other results go our way?

if any of the above had taken place, i presume you think Jags would have picked the ball up, tucked it under his arm and ran at his own goal before throwing it in his own net?

 

[steve26272]

Yes
The ball was floated into our penalty area

Jagielka had the choice of head it clear or handle it

A goalkeeper would think "catch or punch"

A defender would think "head it"

Plenty of time to make a decision and boy did he make one.............for himself

What an utter fool of yourself you're making on here.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
what he said, sitdaaaaarn.

 

[BushBlade]

Amazing that Jags had to cheat to get a move for £4m when it's well known we drop out pants for any offer over £1m and we never play hard ball.

 

[ucandomagic]

Yes
The ball was floated into our penalty area

Jagielka had the choice of head it clear or handle it

A goalkeeper would think "catch or punch"

A defender would think "head it"

Plenty of time to make a decision and boy did he make one.............for himself

If you want to give away a pen you just mistime a tackle and everybody says you were too reckless there and moves on. The last thing you do is wave your arms in the air like a plonker.

JOC gave away a silly handball last year and we got one away - Southend I think. Hammond's tackle at Old Trafford is much more the way you can give away a pen without starting a conspiracy theory.

UTB - The Magic is Back

 

[DronnieBlade]

Back on track.

Is he signing then or what ?

UTB

 

[Liaminho9]

Back on track.

Is he signing then or what ?

UTB

With the signing of Stearman i feel any hope of this one would have been dead, but to add to the doubt, Funes Mori (Everton CB) has just been ruled out for 6-9 months.

 

[Bath Blade]

If you want to give away a pen you just mistime a tackle and everybody says you were too reckless there and moves on. The last thing you do is wave your arms in the air like a plonker.

JOC gave away a silly handball last year and we got one away - Southend I think. Hammond's tackle at Old Trafford is much more the way you can give away a pen without starting a conspiracy theory.

UTB - The Magic is Back

And what about McEverley's handball away at Shrewsbury under Adkins. If he was angling for a move to a Premier League team, it didn't quite work.

 

[Mouth of the South]

And what about McEverley's handball away at Shrewsbury under Adkins. If he was angling for a move to a Premier League team, it didn't quite work.

Scottish Prem?

 

[Davalon]

The same reason people still applaud Brian Deane, or Tony Currie or any other player who was committed to the blades and showed pride for our club.

Don't get the criticism some fans get for still having some affiliation to ex players.

The same Brian Deane who on his return with Leeds scored in front of the Kop and ran the full length of the pitch smiling at John Street. Never gets a mention though that.

Unsworth slides on his arse in front of his own fans and he's a cunt to plenty.

Which one left the pitch at the final whistle and didn't celebrate.

Deane is my favourite player of my time btw and a top bloke to boot.

Hypocrisy knows no bounds in the world of the football fan.

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

What happened "...after the Hull game" ?

Yeah, you got me, I mixed Hull up with Wigan. What can I say, they are both as hum-drum.

 

[Bladesway]

The same Brian Deane who on his return with Leeds scored in front of the Kop and ran the full length of the pitch smiling at John Street. Never gets a mention though that.

He apparently was getting racist abuse throughout the game (I read in an article somewhere just afterwards) and he said it was because of them he celebrated. Deane is a great guy and one of our all time legends so I'm not going to hang him out to dry for that assuming it to be true.

 

[Bladeloyal]

He apparently was getting racist abuse throughout the game (I read in an article somewhere just afterwards) and he said it was because of them he celebrated. Deane is a great guy and one of our all time legends so I'm not going to hang him out to dry for that assuming it to be true.

when has any player got racist abuse at the lane odd comment maybe but full on chants never

 

[Bladesway]

when has any player got racist abuse at the lane odd comment maybe but full on chants never

I remember bananas being thrown on the pitch against Oxford United. I was at the Fenerbache match in H block and they were singing some pretty racist stuff that night. It wasn't uncommon in 80's and early 90's. Not against players but then again if that Banana hit you I guess you would take it personally.

Let's not pretend we don't have an arsehole element for fucks sake. I remember the bloke behind me saying comments such as "hope the fucking coon breaks his leg" for example. I had to confront him and his pre-teen son about it before they shut the fuck up. There's a whole lot more of you want them? Away days in 80's and 90's were rife with it. Why would we be any different?

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Clyde Best. 1970 something. Blades fans throwing bananas on the pitch and doing monkey chants. It was normal for the day. Funny even. After the match - "Bless this House" on TV. White man calls Black man a coon a wog and a choc ice. Black man calls white man a white honkey. Just normal back then, funny and acceptable.

It isn't now.

Times change but people don't necessarily.

 

[BushBlade]

when has any player got racist abuse at the lane odd comment maybe but full on chants never

I think I recall Cess Podd getting plenty of monkey chants and the like, back in the day.
I don't ever remember the bulk of the kop signing racist songs though, like Leeds used to and other clubs.