Is it time to bring Moore back?

[unitedbhoy]

For me, Blackman has been fantastic since he came in. Keeps the shirt until/if form drops.

 

[Davalon]

...I do so miss Roger....

Hansbury?

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Disagree ,100% Stevens fault.

I'd argue if we were to apportion blame Jake Wright wasn't touch tight on their number 10 and he was too soft and allowed him to control the ball, turn and lay it off.

But then again he's our second choice CB....

With our 2nd choice CB and 5th choice CF, I thought we did ok!!

 

[Kelso]

No.

What Eddie says

 

[GrayBlade]

Maybe if Moore had just been out a couple or three games it might be worth considering, but he's not played since the Chessy game last season and could be ring rusty. A derby will be too much too soon IMO and Blackman has done ok and his confidence has grown...although if he reads what some have said on this thread it might be knocked back

 

[BushBlade]

Maybe if Moore had just been out a couple or three games it might be worth considering, but he's not played since the Chessy game last season and could be ring rusty. A derby will be too much too soon IMO and Blackman has done ok and his confidence has grown...although if he reads what some have said on this thread it might be knocked back

If he's ring rusty put him on the bench but give him a cushion.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Pretty much all of the criticism I've seen of Blackman has been 'he doesn't look alert'

Absolute rubbish when you consider what he's done 1v1 and some of the saves he's pulled off. Not been at fault for any goals and has generally done a really good job and Taken a few motm nominations.

Think it's time to judge him in what he actually does on the pitch. Moore faces a fight to get back in imo.

 

[Harry's Game]

Disagree ,100% Stevens fault.

Yes you are right just watched it back for the first time Stevens not O'Connell.

...but deffo not Blackman.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

It's a testament to how much stronger we are in the position that we're now arguing about who's the best option for the position.

With Howard and Long it always used to be a question of who was the least worst...

 

[Danny_Boy]

I've only seen their goal once on telly (I don't like watching highlights when we've lost cause I'm a mardy old twat) my first reaction was that he should have saved it.

Perhaps having read the comments on here I'm being harsh, but it looked quite close to him and saveable to me.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

I think Jamal has done a grand job so far but last Saturday I got the feeling his inexperience is beginning to show.
Grate with high balls but some very poor judgements in other areas including the goal, so for me if Moore is fit I think it's time to bring him back....

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Wilder didn't think so after Bolton - have a look/listen at this.

https://www.sufc.co.uk/news/2017/september/wilder-on-blackman/

He didn't do anything wrong for me v Norwich either.

His handling v Bolton, considering the atrocious conditions was very good.

He can start v the piggies for me.

UTB

 

[Ginger Gnome]

Blackman does slightly worry me as we conceded poor late goals against Derby and Sunderland with about the only thing he had to do all day, if he'd done the same against Bolton then maybe there'd be a case for this topic, but instead he was excellent. Blackman hasn't done a lot wrong and throwing Moore in would be unfair on both of them.

 

[1889]

Blackman always seems to be very indecisive when coming off his line, but other than that I think he's a good keeper. I think it would be unfair to drop him now and I don't think that a Sheffield Derby, is the ideal first game back for Moore either, who I'm sure will be happy to watch from the bench

 

[1066blade]

Ive got to ask how you think Blackman's "poor" judgement lead to the goal? What could he have done better? Or even different to stop that goal?

I don't believe he is perfect but as others have said its his shirt. Hes made good saves and done more than enough to cement his position for the time being - including at the sty.

What could he have done better? Save it. He went down a bit slow and was not stretching far enough to his right, a faster more energetic dive could have resulted in a save. I thought that at the time, not just now.

 

[HolmesfieldBlade]

From my point of view the jury is still out on Jamal, but in truth I still can't put my finger on why. The only thing I can think of is the fact that he seems to have a sort of lazy attitude to shots bloody close to his posts. Either he has superb and unerring judgment or he feels he can't get down full stretch quickly. As for the goal on Saturday, from my view in the South Stand that came down my side and (apart from the fuck up by Enda and Jack), the Norwich kid did well and I was surprised at the speed of the shot. It's not often I will defend a keeper, but I wouldn't have saved that. WDTTNL.

Big Game. Unusually for me I'd keep him in. I never thought I would think that but I don't think he'll freeze.

He’s a great keeper. Give him time and he will be a fan favourite.

Needs a few match winning performances when we’re hanging on. But to be fair, he’s not had to save much!

 

[Jehovah]

I think ultimately, in time, Moore will regain his place. But I wouldn't make the change for Sunday.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Once you've gone Blackman, you don't go back man.

Not yet anyway.

We've enough unforced changes to make. Don't need to make a change here.

 

[SwissBlade]

I think Jamal has done a grand job so far but last Saturday I got the feeling his inexperience is beginning to show.
Grate with high balls but some very poor judgements in other areas including the goal, so for me if Moore is fit I think it's time to bring him back....

Blackman has done nothing wrong and in every game he is growing in confidence.

Would i drop him for Moore on Sunday? Not a chance.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

It's not often I will defend a keeper, but I wouldn't have saved that. WDTTNL.

He needed longer arms to stop that shot .....

 

[Antonb]

I like Moore, but is he any better ? He might be a little quicker coming off his line, but that's about it. I think Blackman is more commanding than Moore. Watch his performance at Bolton to see what I mean.I think we would have conceded with Moore in goal in that match.

 

[ChemEngBlade]

We can't start taking shirts away when they've not merited losing it. Wilder has instilled the attitude of 'you get the shirt when you earn it', the same goes for losing it

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I think Jamal has done a grand job so far but last Saturday I got the feeling his inexperience is beginning to show.
Grate with high balls but some very poor judgements in other areas including the goal, so for me if Moore is fit I think it's time to bring him back....

I agree with you on this. We've had similar discussions in the past about goalkeepers and some fans seem to judge a goalkeeper on their ability to make point blank saves - which Blackman did several of in his first game v Brentford especially. That, to me, has never been the only sign of a good goalkeeper, there's far more to it than that. It's about commanding the area, positioning, distribution, decision-making and alertness, not just reflexes.

I think Blackman is easily beaten by low shots. The goal v Norwich is a good example of that. He was slow getting down and should have at least got a hand on it imo. I saw him at Bolton the other night , he plucked everything out of the air that came at him and we were much relieved that we'd got this big 6' 5" lad in goal to thwart their aerial bombardment. What not many folks have said though is that he dropped several of them but caught them second time on the bounce. His kicking has been awful, although he seems to have re-calibrated his sights a bit in the last couple of games maybe? But there's this general demeanour about him - he exudes uncertainty - and that to me concerns me a lot. I'm sure he'll continue to make brilliant reflex saves but he needs to up other parts of his game before I'm convinced that he's going to make a good keeper.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Ive got to ask how you think Blackman's "poor" judgement lead to the goal? What could he have done better? Or even different to stop that goal?

I don't believe he is perfect but as others have said its his shirt. Hes made good saves and done more than enough to cement his position for the time being - including at the sty.

How about position himself in the middle of the goal and get down quicker when diving? Look back at the video mate.

 

[Student Blade]

How about position himself in the middle of the goal and get down quicker when diving? Look back at the video mate.

Clearly know nothing about goalkeeping so I wont spend too long. The ball is to the side of the goal therefore you stand at the side of the net mate. You change you angle depending how far wide the ball is of the goal. If he stands in the middle of his goal he leaves his near post open - big no no for goalkeepers.

 

[blade too long]

Jamal has been faultless in the games hes played , no keeper would have done any better
his goals let in per game ratio is better than moores for us
a derby game is the worst possible game to test if Moore is fit
Saturday was just one of those games you lose in this league as its tiny details that win or lose games and the detail that lost us it on saturday was lack of fnishing
All teams concede goals , that s part of the game , but we did more than enough in making chances .
The ref made some very strange decisions which mostly helped norwich , that had far more impact on the outcome

 

[Snowman]

How about position himself in the middle of the goal and get down quicker when diving? Look back at the video mate.

I'm sure with your wealth of knowledge on all things including goalkeeping you will appreciate narrowing the angle is a concept which dictates (amongst other things) that when a striker is approaching from one side of the goal the goal keeper should (and does unless he is a numpty) ensure that his near post is as well covered as possible. This should leave one option for said striker which is to thread it through the gap between keeper and far post. I don't pretend he is perfect and I've already said I wonder about his ability to get down quickly but I watched that goal in real time, live from 20 yards away from the pitch side and behind the shot. The situation developed quickly and it was quite simply a good goal. He was beaten by the pace of the shot. No doubt had he followed your advice and stood in the middle of his goal you would have criticised him when the shot beat him at his near post. Extract below shows his positioning was classic. Anticipation and speed of getting down we will have to disagree upon.

 

[I should coco]

But Moore is also a good goalkeeper, and crucially, a leader at the back. The importance of which can't be underestimated when the captain is a striker.

I'd have to go with Moore.

I get your logic re Moore but what would dropping a young lad who's done nothing wrong, do for morale?

Wilder has instilled the attitude of 'you get the shirt when you earn it', the same goes for losing it

The whole point is that is now a squad game and not just the first X1. Blackamn, CCV, Lafferty, Baldock, Thomas et al need to know that when they get the shirt, they keep it until injured or lose form.

As other have said, plenty of worry in other positions especially up front so we don't need extra changes on top of that.

 

[Balham]

We've conceded 5 league goals this season. I make Blackman at most partly responsible for one of those; one I'd say he had absolutely no chance with (Morrison's opener at Cardiff) and the other three would have taken "worldie" saves to keep out so I can't be critical of Blackman not stopping them.

v Boro (a) 1-0: Basham's poor header results in Blackman getting caught in two minds whether to come out or stay on his line. He chooses neither and Gestede's header loops over him. Could he have saved it? Yes. Should he have saved it? Probably (being uber-critical) - but the situation started with Basham's poor header.

v Cardiff (a) 1-0: Morrison meets a corner 6 yards out. Nothing Blackman can do about this one: a powerful header down into the ground. Could he have saved it? No
v Cardiff (a) 2-0: Mendez-Liang is allowed to turn by some weak defending before curling a shot across Blackman into the top corner. Could he have saved it? Possibly. Should he have saved it? No - it was a great effort but the fault lies with the defence giving Mendez-Liang that much space on his right foot.

v Derby (h) 2-1: an unmarked Bryson meets Johnson's cross from the left, heading the ball back across Blackman. There wasn't much power on the header but the change in direction made it almost impossible to stop. Could he have saved it? Possibly. Should he have saved it? No.

v Norwich (h) 0-1: our defence is all over the shop as Wildschut gets the ball in space at the corner of the area. He hits a great shot back across Blackman into the far corner. Could Blackman have stopped it? Possibly - he'd got his angles right. Should he have stopped it? I'd say no: Wildschut absolutely put his laces through it.

That's before you add the three clean sheets to his credit balance. It's good to have Moore back (not that Eastwood, for me, has done anything wrong) but the shirt's Blackman's to keep.

 

[Good Pinch Of Snuff]

What, ball grating?

... its not like Jamals gonna have graped sized more like plums

 

[Student Blade]

I'm sure with your wealth of knowledge on all things including goalkeeping you will appreciate narrowing the angle is a concept which dictates (amongst other things) that when a striker is approaching from one side of the goal the goal keeper should (and does unless he is a numpty) ensure that his near post is as well covered as possible. This should leave one option for said striker which is to thread it through the gap between keeper and far post. I don't pretend he is perfect and I've already said I wonder about his ability to get down quickly but I watched that goal in real time, live from 20 yards away from the pitch side and behind the shot. The situation developed quickly and it was quite simply a good goal. He was beaten by the pace of the shot. No doubt had he followed your advice and stood in the middle of his goal you would have criticised him when the shot beat him at his near post. Extract below shows his positioning was classic. Anticipation and speed of getting down we will have to disagree upon.

Hallelujah - some actually sense on this matter - Much better explained than i did - thank you!!

Maybe he could have got down quicker to his right but this would take anticipation, in opinion, and with anticipation comes 'telegraphing' his actions and therefore allowing the attacker to read his movements and place the ball the other way.